💊 Drug Discussion 💊 Most Expensive Drug of All Time

[Syntherize]

per gram not per dose?

I hear MDPV is going for ALOT -- idk who would buy it. I also saw C-lam for the equivalent of 80k a g (and not from sigma uldrich or w/e) -- again who would pay that price is beyond fathom.

Per gram potency is obviously going to be a big factor -- I honestly dont know as prices are so all over the fckin place it is tough to say....( I am not plugged into the scene anymore )

Oxycodone at 1$ a mg (Easy last I checked) would be a 1k gram. hydromorphone last I checked 20 for 4 mg, thatd be 2k for 400mg's -- so like 5k a gram and I KNOW HAS DEMAND.

So realistically hydromorphone at 5k a gram is my answer (You hear me cartel, 5 k a g - pure powder form youd have custys!) lol

Shit I member buying 1g/litre for 500 -- which was two more than the guy wanted but I didnt want him asking around lol, "ill give ya 5 right now not to go anywhere with that!"

PS -- Isn't opium and brandy laudanum?

That Sigma pricing is for laboratory samples designed specifically for scientific research. All that stuff is legally vetted and quality assured; not to mention, $80k is a drop in the bucket for most professional labs since even just a basic GC/MS can run you over a million dollars easily.

 

[cnnka]

Can you dose black tar oral like opium ?

 

[Syntherize]

Can you dose black tar oral like opium ?

Yes, except there is no point in taking heroin orally since first pass metabolism changes it all into ordinary morphine so you’d be wasting it.

 

[Featherfall]

coke?

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

That Sigma pricing is for laboratory samples designed specifically for scientific research. All that stuff is legally vetted and quality assured; not to mention, $80k is a drop in the bucket for most professional labs since even just a basic GC/MS can run you over a million dollars easily.

Right -- that is why I said NOT them. This was an actual vendor -- they werent selling grams obviously -- like .25 blotters if I recall ... but after mathing it out that is what they were asking. *Unless I was real buzzed at the time and added a 0 somewhere -- but I remember being shocked enough to run the #'s a few times*

Can you dose black tar oral like opium ?

Yes you can -- I think heroin has like a 23-45% bioavailability -- but it does convert to morphine! (Good point) so yea kind of a waste but you can do it

Now if you got a fent cut you are dosing twice as much which may not be great --- any other active cut same thing

 

[cnnka]

Black tar dosent get converted from opium ? So if you took it oral would it be like opium ? Like full alkaloid effect ? Or just as oral morphine ? Also would it be as potent as opium or less ?

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Opium has an array of alkaloids -- I would still presume more potent mg for mg than opium

I do not think you would get a full alkaloid affect but I am not that familiar with the black tar process or product so will let someone else answer

for what its worth (not really an answer) Oral heroin is extensively hydrolyzed to active metabolites (monoacetylmorphine and morphine) during first-pass metabolism, with virtually no heroin reaching the systemic circulation unchanged

 

[Syntherize]

coke?

Yes, cocaine can be taken orally (just don’t numb your gag reflex ingesting it). Search online for “Vin Mariani” from the late 19th century—-even the pope at the time recommended it lol

 

[streaM Freak]

GoodRx has meth on sale for about 500 dollars a gram. That's a great deal, because at Walmart it's about $4,000 per gram.

 

[Syntherize]

Black tar dosent get converted from opium ? So if you took it oral would it be like opium ? Like full alkaloid effect ? Or just as oral morphine ? Also would it be as potent as opium or less bl

Black tar dosent get converted from opium ? So if you took it oral would it be like opium ? Like full alkaloid effect ? Or just as oral morphine ? Also would it be as potent as opium or less ?

Black tar is just crudely made heroin using glacial acetic acid in place of acetic anhydride (true heroin), so the process of making black tar leaves behind more 6-MAM than diacetylmorphine since the acetylation is incomplete with the glacial acetic acid, but 6-MAM is said to be more potent and euphoric by users even though the tar is more crude and less refined. Eating it would be a complete waste—-just take morphine at that point instead.

 

[Syntherize]

GoodRx has meth on sale for about 500 dollars a gram. That's a great deal, because at Walmart it's about $4,000 per gram.

Lmao pseudo is cheaper to procure!

 

[Featherfall]

Yes, cocaine can be taken orally (just don’t numb your gag reflex ingesting it). Search online for “Vin Mariani” from the late 19th century—-even the pope at the time recommended it lol

oh no i meant in general for most expensive drug lol, i'd be suprised if you couldnt, coca cola after all

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

nahhh, what we've had access to for the last few years is most definitely opium. Looks like ope, smells like ope (super-earthy, no vinegar), tastes like two trees fucking - same as opium. Lasts around 18 hours and is energising, smooth as fuck with excellent analgesia and some euphoria. Just like opium, cos it is opium!

Also @Syntherize if you do get the chance, get a good brew made with 150 fresh Liberty Caps down you one day. Then I'd wager you'd agree they are the undisputed mushroom champions!

 

[cnnka]

Black tar is just crudely made heroin using glacial acetic acid in place of acetic anhydride (true heroin), so the process of making black tar leaves behind more 6-MAM than diacetylmorphine since the acetylation is incomplete with the glacial acetic acid, but 6-MAM is said to be more potent and euphoric by users even though the tar is more crude and less refined. Eating it would be a complete waste—-just take morphine at that point instead.

Yeah I mean I know it’s a waste but if it’s effects are closer to opium I would be willing to try I mean the full alkaloid effect and the duration , I don’t want to “use” H and morphine isn’t widely available here neither opium just pods

 

[KurtAurelius]

The reason I’ve always wanted opium is that staggering duration. That beats H for me.

Opium, very mythical and alluring, the floral smell has always sounded so nice.

 

[cnnka]

The reason I’ve always wanted opium is that staggering duration. That beats H for me.

Opium, very mythical and alluring, the floral smell has always sounded so nice.

A nice relaxing Saturday morning you wake up dose make coffee smoke and be in bliss and peaceful all the weekend

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

GoodRx has meth on sale for about 500 dollars a gram. That's a great deal, because at Walmart it's about $4,000 per gram.

Another point for my "BigPharma" is as bad if not worse than the cartels. 4k a gram goshdarn for some crank -- I thought it was cheaper than coke per g?

 

[streaM Freak]

Another point for my "BigPharma" is as bad if not worse than the cartels. 4k a gram goshdarn for some crank -- I thought it was cheaper than coke per g?

It's usually cheaper yeah.

But having a controlled dosage that you know exactly what is in it (and what is not in it) is really important.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Black tar is just crudely made heroin using glacial acetic acid in place of acetic anhydride (true heroin), so the process of making black tar leaves behind more 6-MAM than diacetylmorphine since the acetylation is incomplete with the glacial acetic acid, but 6-MAM is said to be more potent and euphoric by users even though the tar is more crude and less refined. Eating it would be a complete waste—-just take morphine at that point instead.

You know I remember the blacktar as slightly more euphoric -- and just as potent as what was in the metro deroit area (an anomaly from what I hear), never had to worry bout a fent cut either.


It's usually cheaper yeah.

But having a controlled dosage that you know exactly what is in it (and what is not in it) is really important.

--- Valid point absolutely. Now you gotta worry bout fent in everything I guess. IDK why they'd ever use an active cut, beyond that you just need a good scale. Idk what the binders in desoxyn are but they could be equally problematic for short term users at least.

Meth is about the last drug I am gunna argue is "Clean" in any way so that is a valid point.... Frankly Id rather pay more for morphine than buy H right now --- but there is 0 chance of the H passing the fent test on the streets.

 

[Syntherize]

You know I remember the blacktar as slightly more euphoric -- and just as potent as what was in the metro deroit area (an anomaly from what I hear), never had to worry bout a fent cut either.


It's usually cheaper yeah.

But having a controlled dosage that you know exactly what is in it (and what is not in it) is really important.

--- Valid point absolutely. Now you gotta worry bout fent in everything I guess. IDK why they'd ever use an active cut, beyond that you just need a good scale. Idk what the binders in desoxyn are but they could be equally problematic for short term users at least.

Meth is about the last drug I am gunna argue is "Clean" in any way so that is a valid point.... Frankly Id rather pay more for morphine than buy H right now --- but there is 0 chance of the H passing the fent test on the streets.

True, and real H is still around, but most street level users nowadays want the fent or the zines since they’re stuck on high doses, so their tolerances are through the roof making H not as attractive to seek out. I knew a plug in NYC that sold me real H in bulk, but he even told me that the street junkies keep harassing him to make it stronger with a fent cut, and his stuff was lab tested by me averaging at ~83% purity. It was nice brown/tan stuff too. I’ve had loads of morphine IR and XR in the past—-I even learned how to IV the XR stuff cleanly, but morphine doesn’t hit as smoothly as H when used IV. In fact, IV morphine feels like you are getting kicked in the head by a horse for a few seconds before it crosses your BBB lol.