You can always have your kratom batch independently tested, and as far as added Desmethyl Tramadol that was over a decade ago, so many people are wise to that sort of a thing nowadays.
Can you share these papers pls? Thx
Well, that's what I am actually wondering about. I'd kind of like to get it tested, not just for my own sake but because people ought to know if kratom is being adulterated. Of course it's quite possible it isn't, maybe that's most likely as you never hear about it since tramadol 10 years ago. Still, I hear nothing about tests done for drug contamination. All I hear is salmonella, heavy metals. Not even much about testing it for natural alkaloid concentrations. To my mind, there are a lot of ways it could be spiked. But is there truly a financial incentive considering how cheap leaf powder is ? ( derivatives like extracts and 7oh are different)
If we're talking solvent contamination, I doubt there's enough for it to be noticeable, looking at the known synthetic route to MGM-15 there aren't many solvents used that wouldn't come out with ease, and even if there were residual solvents, there's maybe 5-10mg of active constituent in the whole pressie, if it's 10% solvent that's only 500 to 1,000 micrograms, you're going to have a worse time eating RSO as far as solvent exposure. If we're talking about alkaloids that get leftover though, there is certainly a plethora of minor alks that get brought along for the ride with mitragynine as it's converted into MGM-15, and how those may influence nausea I have no idea but I'm sure we'll isolate them and figure it out at some point in the future.
Here in Florida something like this went down, the "Septavex" mix for example is one of a multitude of proprietary mixtures of mitragyna alks (and sometimes cat's claw alks) to form this alkaloid soup that people suspect to be 7-OH or adjacent. I guess it is, idk. I've spoken with many local smoke shop/gas station employees about it and they all hate MGM-15 because people hooked on it buy less and buy with less frequency, whereas when they were using 7-OH they were in there spending more money with a higher frequency.
As somebody who has foolishly consumed a variety of solvents for recreational effect, I would disagree just based on subjective experience, the feeling of MGM-15 nausea is almost identical to when I take too much Dilaudid or oxycodone, but it does not resemble morphine/codeine/hyperpotent opioid nausea for sure. Just my personal take on it, but I've also had uh, I think 17 central incisions from my sternum to below my ribs, so my mesenteric nervous system is all fucked up anyways, I have to use ondansetron or promethazine virtually daily to not be vomiting randomly.
I thought kratom/MIT/7oh constipation was bad until I developed a strange anxiety/nausea combination upon waking every day when I started my new job. Ondansetron constipation was NO JOKE for me. My God. Sure does its job, though. Made me able to work for that time. Either way, glad I dodged the MGM15 train and got out of the deep end with 7oh just in time. Now to rid myself of this fucking MIT dependence...
No, workup would remove it. But I hear whispers such as yield is 63-70% and THAT is being misrepresented as 'pure' 7OHM. So if someone DOES isolate just the 7OHM, the product could be 40% more potent than stated - so end-users are harmed.
If THAT is acceptable, 'cooks' wouldn't even break a sweat if their product is a mixture. In fact, being a mixture makes analysis harder, so maybe it's been thought through. If so, Impure MGM15 would also offer that obstification?
Who knows. Makers know it destroys lives, so making even MORE money would blind them to end users who buy what is a mixture just pay more for another (more potent) mixure. But hey, it's natural, right
MGM-15 met widespread sale in Florida due to a proposed (and I believe failed) 7-OH ban that sort of shook the Mitragyna alkaloid market up here, and Florida has a fucking exceptional culture of kratom usage for some reason. I first began using kratom due to running into it at kratom/kava bars in St. Petersburg (Florida), it was just a thing kept in the back of smokeshops in New England for some reason.
Yeah, at least not on a public-facing thread but if you guys want to DM and share the DOI of the paper or whatever there's no issue with that.
I would argue that while you could go from a hyperpotent -> MGM-15 -> Mitragynine -> Free from addiction, an even better route is found in the usage of SR-17018. Tragically, as a benzimidazole it has been grouped up in a structural class that is widely banned due to other benzimidazoles being the hyperpotent opioids that have put us in the position of needing a tool like this in the first place. The snake is eating its own tail on that one, it seems.
Yeah man! I’m very well versed in psychedelics too, but I never tried Ibogaine even though I had a guy who could get me the whole root bark over ten years ago, but I didn’t bite. I read up on it on Erowid.org and after reading about it and learning that it can cause heart arrhythmias followed by death without supervision I was put off at the time; however, I’m still interested in trying it the proper way one day. I also learned that in West Africa the Bwiti tribe use Ibogaine as an initiation ceremony, and they say that if you don’t survive the trip then you were chosen to be taken by the spirit of Iboga (I forgot her name). Wild shite indeed, but still very interesting lol!