Benzos Clobromazolam / Phenazolam Megathread

[Themailman]

Clobro is kinda crazy and I both love and hate it.

I love it because I can drink on it and not go crazy. I love the long duration for tapering/withdrawal purposes. It doesn't have many mental benefits, the high is mostly physical.

I hate it because it really doesnt have much anxiolytic properties (relative to something like ethylbromazolam) and delusional sobriety is huge with this one as is amnesia.

Overall I feel like it has some functional uses, but it should never be used to try to get high on. You'll just black out and wake up with a bunch of bruises and cuts.

I made the mistake of letting about 8mg of this stuff build up in my system over a few days. I broke my finger, my toe, and had countless other bruises and blood from randomly falling over on this shut. Also did a whole bunch of embarrassing and annoying shit. Benzos.. you know the deal.

I would say clobro is like if bromazolam and diclazepam had a baby...

Edit & pro tip: for whatever reason clobro always hits a lot better sublingual over oral. Its possible this avoids any metabolism. It hits much much faster sublingual and you get much more of a taste of what effects it provides.

 

[Halif2]

I would however say that it's unnecessarily sedative, for my tastes at least.

I noticed this, too.

I got phenazolam blotters which are each dosed at 250mcg. Most I've taken is 500mcg - that one put me to sleep within 30 minutes.

This is a good compound and definitely one which deserves respect. Just look at the name... remember a few years we had phenazepam and it absolutely caused untold chaos. In almost every case it was the long onset that caused the problems. Common story: guy takes some phenaz. Waits 20 minutes, 40 minutes, nearing 50, and he says "man this shit is weak as". He takes three more tablets. His next memory is waking up in a police cell two days later'. It's actually crazy how many stories there were like that.

Very slow onset with a potent and long lasting action....

I myself used phenazepam a bunch of times years ago. I had zero problems with it, because I'd read and heard the horror stories and knew about the way it worked.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

phenazepam was the only benzo that ever gave me trouble and that was the giant halflife

I am looking forward to this one -- but I have benzo tolerance and setting figured out pretty will

 

[Esperighanto]

Tbh I fully agree with that I cannot ”feel” the difference in benzodiazepines outside onset, duration etc like you said. Some vary slightly in muscle relaxation or delusions of sobriety but theyre all very similar.

But it has me thinking, I know I can feel differences in psychedelics, stimulants dissod etc. But maybe were making an unfair comparison comparing entire drug classes to a single scaffold? If we instead compared GABAergics as a whole then I can certainly feel and notice differences in them.

Same as with dissociatives a lot of PCx analogs feel similar, with stimulants a lot of phenidates or pyrros feel similar or with psychedelic drugs in similar scaffolds they feel similar too. Though I must still say that benzos are the scaffold where I feel the least differences, maybe it has something to do with the inhibiting nature of GABAergic drugs clouding your judgment as well

I have long held the hunch that different people have different sensitivities to specific scaffolds, perhaps due to metabolic quirks, perhaps some sense of "pharmacological intuition" that is an internal sense akin to a biochemical variant of proprioception, I'm not really sure. Like I said, just a hunch.

Do you also notice a difference in the blackout threshold for certain benzos? I found that even 500ug of etizolam and 250ug of phenazolam is a guaranteed blackout whereas up to 1.75mg of phenazolam or 6mg of etizolam in isolation will not induce a blackout in me, which I find quite strange.

 

[TheLightBringer]

Do you also notice a difference in the blackout threshold for certain benzos? I found that even 500ug of etizolam and 250ug of phenazolam is a guaranteed blackout whereas up to 1.75mg of phenazolam or 6mg of etizolam in isolation will not induce a blackout in me, which I find quite strange.

Interesting that you mention it, ive noticed some nitrobenzodiazepines like clonazepam, or flunitrazepam tend to be a lot more blackout prone for me. Not even necessarily that theyre -pam benzos as I could take diazepam in very large doses and still have my memory intact.

When it comes to combos though I cant say Im super experienced combining multiple benzos, most times I did there were at least 2 other substances in the mix as well so not an accurate judgement if they made me more blackout prone in combos.

Benzodiazepines also decrease acetylcholine release in the brain due to their inhibitory nature, I wonder to what extent that affects their variations in memory loss, unfortunately there doesnt seem to be a study I could find accurately comparing the acetylcholine decrease in benzodiazepines though I suspect the different GABA subunits play a larger part in memory loss than its choline reducing effects.

Since phenazolam is essentially to bromazolam what triazolam is to alprazolam I want to say it makes sense that it tends to be blackout prone like triazolam is. Difference is triazolam has a Cl- on the 8th position whereas phenazolam has a Br-. Curious how the Bromo substitution has such an effect on its duration though.

 

[nopenamenever]

How is there such little information about Clobromazolam out there? A benzo with structural relation to Bromazolam and Clonazolam? Sounds interesting, but possibly overly sedating lol. I guess the only people taking this benzo are people unknowingly consuming it through pressed "Xanax"?

Because it's not a drug used in the US it's Russian but there is a way to get it online super easy the liquid and or raw powder

 

[Themailman]

it's Russian

It was invented by Russians but is not nor was ever used in Russia. I doubt it even made it to any sort of medical trial.

Its a terrible benzo for basically every applicable condition and the withdrawals are somehow even worse than it's medical value.