Opioids Methadone high & people using Methadone recreationally.

[vanbc27]

Im was on 230mg of Methadone and I would get super high if i missed my morning does and took it at night instead and took my normal dose the next morning. All day I would nod. Now I get 2800mg morphine instead. I was told to crush and plug and I might try it. If enough people recommend it to me that its. How much would i need to plug to feel a high? I mean I obviously already get a high somewhat but I want a better high more AT ONCE if you knwo what I mean.

 

[Dextro .45]

Try 240 mg then tell me you dont get high.

My style brompton cocktail is 3mg oxymorphone with 8mg morphine. 1 shot of saki with orange juice drank slow over the day with 30mg dramamine and a half a doxylamine. Later in the evening 1 hit of fine homegrown cannabis and tbspoon of black seed oil and turmeric to keep tolerance low and the black seed oil makes it significantly stronger. Lsd is one of the greatest things on this earth when used in the right setting. 4 grams of mushroom on a full moon is another one of my favorites.

YES SIR……LSD-25 100ug 150ug is the most BEAUTIFUL molecule ever synthesized

I take 100ug LSD every Saturday an hour before having the most amazing sensual erotic, animalistic fucking with freshly showered GF as I rub baby oil over her……it’s a 2 hour erotic fantasy were ANYTHING goes ……..after we both explode in ecstasy we shower

Then I treat myself to my custom oral Brompton Cocktail at 6pm

Methadone 50mg (75mg in morning 7am)
Ritalin (Methylphenidate) 50mg IR
Avizafone (Pro-Diazepam) 80mg IM injection (Valium 40mg peak in 15-20min)
Pregabalin (Lyrica) 300mg
Ethanol 2.oz Gin & ginger ale

Premium Belmont cigarette + decent line of Cocaine before heading out to balcony for fresh cigarettes and drink

Watching a nice movie and cleaning oiling my Italian Pietro Beretta 92F 9mm (Lethal Weapon black Beretta 9mm) field stripping it into barrel, slide, frame, guide rod & recoil spring, 15-round double stacked magazine (no live ammunition present)

It’s intoxicating ….when I’m finished I rack the slide / cycle the action and it’s as smooth as warm butter

500 years…..V.T. Val Trompia Gardon Pietro Beretta factory right beside flowing river …….500 years manufacturing cannons, firearms, $10,000.00 USD double barrel shotguns hand engraved with gold ….a work of art actually

1980’s the light weight Beretta M9 9mm replaced the legendary Colt M1911-A1 Government Model .45 ACP (Which I also own and field strip and oil like a toy lol…..over 100 years of service the Colt 1911 .45……I’ve owned 7 of them, and 5 Berettas all 9mm and a stainless 96FS .40 Caliber…….all my Colt 1911’s were .45 ACP

NOTHING can match the massive knock down power of that MASSIVE 230 grain .45 Caliber full metal jacket ball of lead ……so much so….special operations dropped the smaller European 9mm and carry Colt’s M1911A1 .45 Automatic because at close quarters……..its like throwing a heavy cinder block at someone vs a fast golf ball 9mm

The all American .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) ……Google pics of 9mm vs .45 ACP and see the difference

 

[TheLightBringer]

With no tolerance, I'd say methadone felt vaguely similar to Darvocet (propoxyphene), but longer acting & less intense. Very much a body-high with a little bit of dreamy nodding.

Man if its like a less intense Darvocet thats just sad, ive never tried methadone myself but I would hope it feels more pleasurable than Dextropropoxyphene.

Dextropropoxyphene felt like one of those Opioids where I ”almost” got there but not quite. I remember me and a buddy found like 40 pills of expired dextropropoxyphene at 16 years old. Even with low tolerance it felt like some strange middleground between the euphoria from tramadol and fentanyl, except much less sedating. I remember I kept eating the damn 50mg pills redosing every hour until I got up to 600mg before I finally felt satisfied, which to my dissapointment lasted 90 minutes only. Im sure I would have got there if I took them all at once as it was spread out over like 4 hours…

My more opioid naive friend ate 600mg at once some nights later and greatly enjoyed the experience, said it had a serotonergic glow which makes sense considering its weak SRI properties. A shame its so cardiotoxic, would have been fun to explore it at a higher dose for novelty

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Man if its like a less intense Darvocet thats just sad, ive never tried methadone myself but I would hope it feels more pleasurable than Dextropropoxyphene.

Dextropropoxyphene felt like one of those Opioids where I ”almost” got there but not quite. I remember me and a buddy found like 40 pills of expired dextropropoxyphene at 16 years old. Even with low tolerance it felt like some strange middleground between the euphoria from tramadol and fentanyl, except much less sedating. I remember I kept eating the damn 50mg pills redosing every hour until I got up to 600mg before I finally felt satisfied, which to my dissapointment lasted 90 minutes only. Im sure I would have got there if I took them all at once as it was spread out over like 4 hours…

My more opioid naive friend ate 600mg at once some nights later and greatly enjoyed the experience, said it had a serotonergic glow which makes sense considering its weak SRI properties. A shame its so cardiotoxic, would have been fun to explore it at a higher dose for novelty

Well, don't quote me on this, but I think molecularly speaking, methadone & propoxyphene are related. So it was make sense if they share some similarity in effects. I believe that's why both propoxyphene & methadone can affect the heart. But I'd have to look into again before making that claim definitively. Been awhile since I've read anything about Darvocet.

I guess it all comes down to individual body chemistry. For example, I loved the tramadol euphoria. So anything that gives a similar euphoria is alright in my book.

My experience with Darvocet came from expired pills too, that a friend found her moms basement back in like 2016. So they had been expired for at least 8 years or more. But they still worked just fine. I had taken a DXM trip the night before I did them though, so that may have made them feel stronger & more pleasurable than they otherwise would have. I don't remember how long it lasted though cause about 2hrs in, I had to nod out & take a nap. Only got to try it for another day or so after that, but I didn't mind Darvocet at all. For whatever reason, I tend to enjoy the opioids people shit on the most, like tramadol & darvocet. Yet ironically I'm not a huge fan of things like codeine or hydrocodone. They bore me to tears. I'll take 300-400mg of tramadol over 30mg of hydrocodone any day. It's possible I wouldn't enjoy Darvocet now that I'm older. But I bet it'd still be more enjoyable than buprenorphine. lol

 

[opiatekrzy]

If you have no tolerance to methadone of course you can get high if you take a good enough dose. Once you take methadone on a daily basis it builds up in your system because it has a long half life therefore you don't feel a buzz or get high from it even if you take a much higher dose than your regular dose you still won't feel a high from it.

 

[opiatekrzy]

I tend to disagree with the above post. I was on methadone for 2 years straight I was up to 130 mg and I swear after the first couple days of getting on at the buzz wore off and I was saturated with it and I got no effect from it sure it made me sleepy all the time but I definitely didn't get high even as I increase my dose. Even when I took benzodiazepines I didn't get into a stagger like a lot of people talk about it just made me even more tired

 

[opiatekrzy]

Well, don't quote me on this, but I think molecularly speaking, methadone & propoxyphene are related. So it was make sense if they share some similarity in effects. I believe that's why both propoxyphene & methadone can affect the heart. But I'd have to look into again before making that claim definitively. Been awhile since I've read anything about Darvocet.

I guess it all comes down to individual body chemistry. For example, I loved the tramadol euphoria. So anything that gives a similar euphoria is alright in my book.

My experience with Darvocet came from expired pills too, that a friend found her moms basement back in like 2016. So they had been expired for at least 8 years or more. But they still worked just fine. I had taken a DXM trip the night before I did them though, so that may have made them feel stronger & more pleasurable than they otherwise would have. I don't remember how long it lasted though cause about 2hrs in, I had to nod out & take a nap. Only got to try it for another day or so after that, but I didn't mind Darvocet at all. For whatever reason, I tend to enjoy the opioids people shit on the most, like tramadol & darvocet. Yet ironically I'm not a huge fan of things like codeine or hydrocodone. They bore me to tears. I'll take 300-400mg of tramadol over 30mg of hydrocodone any day. It's possible I wouldn't enjoy Darvocet now that I'm older. But I bet it'd still be more enjoyable than buprenorphine. lol

Darvocet was my first love, it was the first opioid I have ever taken when I was 14 years old and I loved it

 

[Syntherize]

I am on 50mg daily & been using it for a few months now, I only began to use it as I got fed up of the days I had no cash & was sick due to my constant use of Heroin (Yes in the UK we still have lots of Afghan smoking Heroin, Fent & Medetomidine haven't taken off like it has in The USA)

I have seen several posts on here from people saying about using Methadone like I use Heroin, they seem to get a high off it & seem to be happy from it's effects, when I use it I get no "high" off it, all it does is stop me from being sick & I can get a nights sleep, no stomach issues, terrible pain in my joints & legs that feel like they are made from Oak etc, all the usual Heroin withdrawl effects.

What mg range are people using to get a high off it?
How long have you been off Heroin or other potent Opiates before you can get a high off Methadone?

I used to buy 10mg methadone pills off my friend in NJ, and I learned how to IV them safely because they contain silica powder in them in order to ruin your veins and body if you try to inject the solution without knowing about how to filter it out (micron filters). I’ve injected over 40mg of methadone solution with a low to moderate tolerance to heroin and it does have an effect but the euphoria is nonexistent. Methadone is just a lot of nod and opioid warmth without any of the risk or pleasure even when taken intravenously. If you are thinking about using the pink liquid intravenously then that is just a stupid decision since extracting it from that solution will take a lot of effort and chemistry know how.

 

[Syntherize]

Eukadol (Oxycodone HCL) was synthesized in Germany in the early 1900’s and patented ……along with Dilaudid (Hydromorphone) hypodermic tablets & injectable formulas, Heroin (Diacetylmorphine), Morphine, etc

Most opioids derived from Morphine are very sedating, histamine release, and frequently cause nausea, tolerance & addiction (obviously)

Eukadol (Oxycodone) which is synthesized from theBaine is actually a non-sedating POTENT and VERY EUPHORIC mu-opioid receptor agonist, with excellent oral bioavailability. In the original patent & Eukadol literature it actually specifies the drugs “narcotic type euphoria similar to Cocaine” ……Eukadol was actually Adolf Hitlers favourite drug, Dr. Morell often providing Eukadol via I.V. injection

Why did Purdue Pharma select Oxycodone for its NEW OxyContin……when MS-Contin (Morphine Sulphate) already existed……because oral Oxycodone is actually SIGNIFICANTLY more pleasurable then oral Dilaudid and various morphine type compounds

In my entire lifetime…….only Oxycodone & Ritalin (Methylphenidate) gave me significant overpowering euphoria, even better than injecting decent Heroin from 20+ years ago when it actually was Diacetylmorphine (which was confirmed by my urine analysis which showed the presence of 6-MAM & Morphine)

I will NEVER forget that unbelievable EUPHORIC BLISS that oral Oxycodone gave me …..ever

Morphine had a bad reputation and was associated with death. They wanted a new brand of medicine that people wouldn’t associate with traditional opioids. Watch the “Painkiller” series online (I think it’s on Hulu) for the whole story. Also, there is the movie “Pain Hustlers” on Netflix about the Insys pharmaceuticals scandal with fentanyl. Go check them out if you’re interested because they’re both very informative and grounded in reality.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

In my entire lifetime…….only Oxycodone & Ritalin (Methylphenidate) gave me significant overpowering euphoria, even better than injecting decent Heroin from 20+ years ago when it actually was Diacetylmorphine (which was confirmed by my urine analysis which showed the presence of 6-MAM & Morphine)

I guess this goes to show how different people's bodily chemistry can be.

I've only unfortunately tried oxycodone once. Got a bottle for it in 2010ish for an abscess that formed on my asshole (very fucking painful).
But I never felt much of anything off of them. Nothing extraordinary anyway. Even though I thoroughly enjoyed tramadol at the time & was using that quite frequently.

I'd have to disagree about the thebaines necessarily being non-sedating (although I love you bro, not trying to be condescending!) but for me, buprenorphine has been one of the MOST sedating opioids I've ever tried. And it's also a thebaine derivative. It starts off a little stimulating (almost like a diet-tramadol) but then after 2-4hrs, buprenorphine basically turns into a sleeping pill for me. It's sedating in a different way than other opioids too. Other opioids can give me sedation as well, but I've always been able to power through it. Bupe on the other hand can make me fall asleep standing up & sitting up. That's how super-sedating it is to me. And the sedation lasts all frickin' day!

I don't find hydrocodone very enjoyable or stimulating either. In fact, I'd prefer tramadol over hydro/oxy any day. In the right dosage of course. 50mg of tramadol isn't going to work compared to 20mg of oxycodone or something. But 300-400mg will give me a way more euphoric & stimulating (and longer lasting) experience.

I don't know about other people but I find that DRI-drugs like ritalin, welbutrin & cocaine actually block opioid euphoria for me, if I try to take an opioid before it's worn off. Blocking dopamine reuptake inhibition can block dopamine release in the brain from other drugs, since the synapse will be blocked. I prefer a dopamine releaser like amphetamine. But I've also noticed that if I fuck around with strong dopaminergic drugs like amphetamine, that opioids kind of lose their euphoria for a few days afterwards as well. Probably because they don't release dopamine to the same degree that stimulants do. So then my brain has to readjust back to those baseline/slightly elevated levels of dopamine, which in return makes the opioid euphoria "lacking".

Although heroin seemed to hold up well after methamphetamine binges for some reason. But any other opioid after a meth binge just wouldn't stop the pain.

Darvocet was my first love, it was the first opioid I have ever taken when I was 14 years old and I loved it

I enjoyed it myself. I'm not sure why it gets shit on so much. Other than it's cardiotoxic metabolite, it wasn't a terrible opioid. It's not very "potent", but potency doesn't really mean much, except that you're gonna need more of the drug to get an effect than you would from a more potent drug, but that's all. Shit, fentanyl is super potent & I find that to be incredibly boring & lacking any real warmth or euphoria.

Tramadol was my first love at 19. I had had many codeine & hydrocodone experiences before that in my teen years, but I didn't find them that amazing really. It wasn't until I tried tramadol at 19 & it had me cleaning the entire house & listening to music on repeat for hours & hours & never feeling bored, that I realized the power some opioids truly have. Why the more 'hated' opioids seem to work better for me, I dunno. But I've gotten euphoria & nodding on tramadol (with low-to-no tolerance) that was just as good as heroin. It usually lasted all day too. There were days where it was hit & miss, but it still worked good enough that I was heavily dependent on it for 10-13 years.

 

[Dextro .45]

Oxycodone & Ritalin (Methylphenidate) …….i want lifetime supply

 

[Syntherize]

I guess this goes to show how different people's bodily chemistry can be.

I've only unfortunately tried oxycodone once. Got a bottle for it in 2010ish for an abscess that formed on my asshole (very fucking painful).
But I never felt much of anything off of them. Nothing extraordinary anyway. Even though I thoroughly enjoyed tramadol at the time & was using that quite frequently.

I'd have to disagree about the thebaines necessarily being non-sedating (although I love you bro, not trying to be condescending!) but for me, buprenorphine has been one of the MOST sedating opioids I've ever tried. And it's also a thebaine derivative. It starts off a little stimulating (almost like a diet-tramadol) but then after 2-4hrs, buprenorphine basically turns into a sleeping pill for me. It's sedating in a different way than other opioids too. Other opioids can give me sedation as well, but I've always been able to power through it. Bupe on the other hand can make me fall asleep standing up & sitting up. That's how super-sedating it is to me. And the sedation lasts all frickin' day!

I don't find hydrocodone very enjoyable or stimulating either. In fact, I'd prefer tramadol over hydro/oxy any day. In the right dosage of course. 50mg of tramadol isn't going to work compared to 20mg of oxycodone or something. But 300-400mg will give me a way more euphoric & stimulating (and longer lasting) experience.

I don't know about other people but I find that DRI-drugs like ritalin, welbutrin & cocaine actually block opioid euphoria for me, if I try to take an opioid before it's worn off. Blocking dopamine reuptake inhibition can block dopamine release in the brain from other drugs, since the synapse will be blocked. I prefer a dopamine releaser like amphetamine. But I've also noticed that if I fuck around with strong dopaminergic drugs like amphetamine, that opioids kind of lose their euphoria for a few days afterwards as well. Probably because they don't release dopamine to the same degree that stimulants do. So then my brain has to readjust back to those baseline/slightly elevated levels of dopamine, which in return makes the opioid euphoria "lacking".

Although heroin seemed to hold up well after methamphetamine binges for some reason. But any other opioid after a meth binge just wouldn't stop the pain.


I enjoyed it myself. I'm not sure why it gets shit on so much. Other than it's cardiotoxic metabolite, it wasn't a terrible opioid. It's not very "potent", but potency doesn't really mean much, except that you're gonna need more of the drug to get an effect than you would from a more potent drug, but that's all. Shit, fentanyl is super potent & I find that to be incredibly boring & lacking any real warmth or euphoria.

Tramadol was my first love at 19. I had had many codeine & hydrocodone experiences before that in my teen years, but I didn't find them that amazing really. It wasn't until I tried tramadol at 19 & it had me cleaning the entire house & listening to music on repeat for hours & hours & never feeling bored, that I realized the power some opioids truly have. Why the more 'hated' opioids seem to work better for me, I dunno. But I've gotten euphoria & nodding on tramadol (with low-to-no tolerance) that was just as good as heroin. It usually lasted all day too. There were days where it was hit & miss, but it still worked good enough that I was heavily dependent on it for 10-13 years.

Just beware that Tramadol in the doses you mentioned that are above 200-300mg can result in nasty seizures and I used to have near-unlimited access to Tramadol as a teenager too. O-DSMT is a far better option and it is one of the main metabolites of Tramadol. Also, I’d like to add that you probably never derived much from oxy/hydro condones bc either your doses were very low and/or your body doesn’t metabolize them into the morphones well just like how some people don’t feel codeine since they lack the cytochrome P450 enzymes to convert it into the more active morphine.

P.S. Propoxyphene aka Darvocet was removed from the market because it can cause long QT syndrome in patients and that can result in spontaneous death, and it is such a weak opioid that it didnt ever really do much for me. Shit, kratom is a better option than Darvon.

 

[cnnka]

Just beware that Tramadol in the doses you mentioned that are above 200-300mg can result in nasty seizures and I used to have near-unlimited access to Tramadol as a teenager too. O-DSMT is a far better option and it is one of the main metabolites of Tramadol. Also, I’d like to add that you probably never derived much from oxy/hydro condones bc either your doses were very low and/or your body doesn’t metabolize them into the morphones well just like how some people don’t feel codeine since they lack the cytochrome P450 enzymes to convert it into the more active morphine.

P.S. Propoxyphene aka Darvocet was removed from the market because it can cause long QT syndrome in patients and that can result in spontaneous death, and it is such a weak opioid that it didnt ever really do much for me. Shit, kratom is a better option than Darvon.

ODMST dosent cause seizures similar to to tramadol ?
I liked tramadol at 150-175mg range was but superb but was good and was showing potential but always fear about the seizure side effect and never pushed the envelope

 

[Syntherize]

ODMST dosent cause seizures similar to to tramadol ?
I liked tramadol at 150-175mg range was but superb but was good and was showing potential but always fear about the seizure side effect and never pushed the envelope

From what I understand, no O-DSMT doesn’t do that since it lacks the serotonergic effects that Tramadol has. Tramadol also has two different isomers, I believe, but the desmethyl variant is more “classical” opioid like. I would be careful with Tramadol.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Shit, kratom is a better option than Darvon.

Wow. lol I'd say the exact opposite. I've never felt anything remotely "opioid-like" from kratom. Just gastrointestinal discomfort & a feeling like I took a low dose of an antipsychotic. How people enjoy that is beyond me.

The time I tried propoxyphene, it got me high as well.

It's only "weak" potency wise. But just because a drug has a weak potency doesn't necessarily mean you can't get strong effects from it. Especially if you take enough.

Also, I’d like to add that you probably never derived much from oxy/hydro condones bc either your doses were very low and/or your body doesn’t metabolize them into the morphones well just like how some people don’t feel codeine since they lack the cytochrome P450 enzymes to convert it into the more active morphine.

I've definitely thought about this before.
I can feel hydrocodone, I just have never found it to be as euphoric as tramadol or heroin. It often just causes me to feel zoned out & gives me the "stares", where as tramadol always had me up cleaning, running around, getting shit done, listening to music, etc..

Maybe after almost 10 years of buprenorphine, hydrocodone just isn't that great for me anymore, I dunno. I've never felt much from codeine either besides a short lived "warm" & comfy feeling. But I'm confused because the enzyme that converts codeine to morphine (CYP2D6) is also the same enzyme that converts tramadol to o-desmethyltramadol. And since I fully enjoyed tramadol (was dependent on it for over 10 years), then I must have the right liver enzymes to convert the codones.

I think the codones are just objectively not very enjoyable (for me). I like the opioids that tend to make me be more active & make music sound better, which tends to be tramadol, heroin & to a much lower extent, buprenorphine.

I'm sure I would LOVE O-dsmt though. I've just never had a chance to try it. I wouldn't know where to find it & even if I did, I'm generally always broke anyway.

 

[Syntherize]

Wow. lol I'd say the exact opposite. I've never felt anything remotely "opioid-like" from kratom. Just gastrointestinal discomfort & a feeling like I took a low dose of an antipsychotic. How people enjoy that is beyond me.

The time I tried propoxyphene, it got me high as well.

It's only "weak" potency wise. But just because a drug has a weak potency doesn't necessarily mean you can't get strong effects from it. Especially if you take enough.


I've definitely thought about this before.
I can feel hydrocodone, I just have never found it to be as euphoric as tramadol or heroin. It often just causes me to feel zoned out & gives me the "stares", where as tramadol always had me up cleaning, running around, getting shit done, listening to music, etc..

Maybe after almost 10 years of buprenorphine, hydrocodone just isn't that great for me anymore, I dunno. I've never felt much from codeine either besides a short lived "warm" & comfy feeling. But I'm confused because the enzyme that converts codeine to morphine (CYP2D6) is also the same enzyme that converts tramadol to o-desmethyltramadol. And since I fully enjoyed tramadol (was dependent on it for over 10 years), then I must have the right liver enzymes to convert the codones.

I think the codones are just objectively not very enjoyable (for me). I like the opioids that tend to make me be more active & make music sound better, which tends to be tramadol, heroin & to a much lower extent, buprenorphine.

I'm sure I would LOVE O-dsmt though. I've just never had a chance to try it. I wouldn't know where to find it & even if I did, I'm generally always broke anyway.

10 years of bupe? Yeah, I feel like you need to reset your neurotransmitters, because that is wayyy too long. I used to IV a gram of good true brown heroin per day for many years on & off. The trick is to cut the strips gradually and taper down to nothing slowly, so that you can wake up one day without any withdrawals. Darvon is TOXIC in high doses (it will kill you) and Tramadol causes seizures while both are even weaker than codeine. Kratom works, but idk what source you are buying from or what your dosage is. If you’re buying from a local smoke shop it’s probably trash. Go look at Golden Monk or Happy Hippo (HH will send you a free ounce of any strain for free online). Red stains are what you want if you like opioid effects. Also, there’s 7-OH and MGM-15 which are semisynthetic kratom alkaloids which are super potent, but I will warn you that they are VERY compulsive and habit forming.

P.S. Propoxyphene got removed from the market by the FDA bc people were using it to kill themselves due to how it screws up your cardiac QT rhythms.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

The trick is to cut the strips gradually and taper down to nothing slowly, so that you can wake up one day without any withdrawals.

Unfortunately I didn't get on bupe to stop opioids, I got on it as a way to have a legal substitute, so that I didn't have to keep living a life of "get high for a bit and then withdrawals" forever. Cause I am an opioid "addict" after all, so I have no plans on stopping ever.

Yes, tramadol can cause seizures if you go above 400mg. I was on tramadol for 13 years, the first 10 years I had to withdrawal every month. And then the last 3 years, I had buprenorphine, so I'd just take my bupe when I'm done with the trams & I'd be fine.

Tramadol is another example of low potency but better effects for me. 1 50mg pill of tramadol isn't gonna do much at all for me. But if I take 300-400mg spread over an hour, I use to get a high very similar to heroin, except more stimulating & caused more "music euphoria" (as in, I couldn't stop listening to music because it sounded & felt so good). And it would last 8hrs or some times until I went to bed at night.

So tramadol was much more enjoyable than hydrocodone for me. I just needed way more tramadol than I would hydrocodone to get an effect, that's all potency really means.

I also spent 5 of those years using actual brown heroin before it all became fentanyl. I never shot it up though, needles aren't my thing. I just snorted it & I fully enjoyed it & it worked every time that way, so no need to move onto a needle addiction.

Unfortunately my heroin dealer went to prison for murder in 2019, And my mom was my tramadol connect & she passed away in 2021.
So it's been mostly just buprenorphine for me ever since. I started taking bupe in 2017, so yeah, it's been almost 10 years of daily buprenorphine for me. With little vacations here & there.

Also, there’s 7-OH and MGM-15 which are semisynthetic kratom alkaloids which are super potent, but I will warn you that they are VERY compulsive and habit forming.

I've tried some of the extracts & I thought they were okay. Nothing special though honestly. The "high" lasted probably 30 minutes, if that.
And the damn extract itself was like 20-30 bucks for one fuckin' hit. So I dunno how anyone can even afford to be addicted to kratom, especially the extracts. Cause that would mean I'd be paying over 100 bucks A DAY for an incredibly short acting subpar partial agonist.

Shit I can take my Suboxone & get a better & longer lasting "high" than I would from kratom or any of it's extracts. I think it might be a genetic thing because I've had so many people come to me and swear by kratom & it's extracts. And I've tried it all, from online vendors, to the smoke shop shit, etc.. None of it felt anything like an "opioid" to me. Some of it made me sleepy, but there was no euphoria or anything. And the plant itself has alkaloids in it that act as antipsychotics (dopamine blocking) and I can actually feel that whenever I take powdered or leaf kratom. It's like a dulling of the senses, but not in an enjoyable way. More like an boredom-inducing way.

I wish they worked for me. Although I sure as hell couldn't afford the prices they ask for kratom extracts every day.

P.S. Propoxyphene got removed from the market by the FDA bc people were using it to kill themselves due to how it screws up your cardiac QT rhythms.

Methadone & Loperamide also have toxic effects on the heart.

And even buprenorphine supposedly has a low (but not nonexistent) possibility for long QT syndrome too.
I've actually been having PVC's off & on for the last couple of years with no idea what brought them on. No clue if buprenorphine could've caused it. It's possible. Couldn't get any real answers from my idiots doctors or the cardiologist though.

They said I might have had a heart attack, but probably not. They didn't see any ischemia on my stress test, which should be visible if I had a heart attack. But they saw a very small spot on my heart in the imaging & decided to say it was just an imaging artifact from sub-diaphragmatic activity. Their EKG machine said I had a heart attack at some point too, but the cardiologist told me to disregard it because it "spits out wrong information all the time". Which if that's true, then wtf is the point of using EKGs? Very reassuring.

Also told me they're "benign", which is just medical gaslighting. Feeling like you're being punched in the stomach or your heart is stopping 100x a day, every day is not "benign". It's detrimental to some one's mental health & quality of life. Plus it can lead to sudden death & heart failure. To call that "benign" is just straight up false & gaslighting. It's like me saying "Well I haven't gotten lung cancer despite smoking cigarettes every day for 30 years, so that must mean cigarettes are benign". But this is all a separate story from the topic of opioids, so I digress.

 

[Syntherize]

Unfortunately I didn't get on bupe to stop opioids, I got on it as a way to have a legal substitute, so that I didn't have to keep living a life of "get high for a bit and then withdrawals" forever. Cause I am an opioid "addict" after all, so I have no plans on stopping ever.

Yes, tramadol can cause seizures if you go above 400mg. I was on tramadol for 13 years, the first 10 years I had to withdrawal every month. And then the last 3 years, I had buprenorphine, so I'd just take my bupe when I'm done with the trams & I'd be fine.

Tramadol is another example of low potency but better effects for me. 1 50mg pill of tramadol isn't gonna do much at all for me. But if I take 300-400mg spread over an hour, I use to get a high very similar to heroin, except more stimulating & caused more "music euphoria" (as in, I couldn't stop listening to music because it sounded & felt so good). And it would last 8hrs or some times until I went to bed at night.

So tramadol was much more enjoyable than hydrocodone for me. I just needed way more tramadol than I would hydrocodone to get an effect, that's all potency really means.

I also spent 5 of those years using actual brown heroin before it all became fentanyl. I never shot it up though, needles aren't my thing. I just snorted it & I fully enjoyed it & it worked every time that way, so no need to move onto a needle addiction.

Unfortunately my heroin dealer went to prison for murder in 2019, And my mom was my tramadol connect & she passed away in 2021.
So it's been mostly just buprenorphine for me ever since. I started taking bupe in 2017, so yeah, it's been almost 10 years of daily buprenorphine for me. With little vacations here & there.

I've tried some of the extracts & I thought they were okay. Nothing special though honestly. The "high" lasted probably 30 minutes, if that.
And the damn extract itself was like 20-30 bucks for one fuckin' hit. So I dunno how anyone can even afford to be addicted to kratom, especially the extracts. Cause that would mean I'd be paying over 100 bucks A DAY for an incredibly short acting subpar partial agonist.

Shit I can take my Suboxone & get a better & longer lasting "high" than I would from kratom or any of it's extracts. I think it might be a genetic thing because I've had so many people come to me and swear by kratom & it's extracts. And I've tried it all, from online vendors, to the smoke shop shit, etc.. None of it felt anything like an "opioid" to me. Some of it made me sleepy, but there was no euphoria or anything. And the plant itself has alkaloids in it that act as antipsychotics (dopamine blocking) and I can actually feel that whenever I take powdered or leaf kratom. It's like a dulling of the senses, but not in an enjoyable way. More like an boredom-inducing way.

I wish they worked for me. Although I sure as hell couldn't afford the prices they ask for kratom extracts every day.


Methadone & Loperamide also have toxic effects on the heart.

And even buprenorphine supposedly has a low (but not nonexistent) possibility for long QT syndrome too.
I've actually been having PVC's off & on for the last couple of years with no idea what brought them on. No clue if buprenorphine could've caused it. It's possible. Couldn't get any real answers from my idiots doctors or the cardiologist though.

They said I might have had a heart attack, but probably not. They didn't see any ischemia on my stress test, which should be visible if I had a heart attack. But they saw a very small spot on my heart in the imaging & decided to say it was just an imaging artifact from sub-diaphragmatic activity. Their EKG machine said I had a heart attack at some point too, but the cardiologist told me to disregard it because it "spits out wrong information all the time". Which if that's true, then wtf is the point of using EKGs? Very reassuring.

Also told me they're "benign", which is just medical gaslighting. Feeling like you're being punched in the stomach or your heart is stopping 100x a day, every day is not "benign". It's detrimental to some one's mental health & quality of life. Plus it can lead to sudden death & heart failure. To call that "benign" is just straight up false & gaslighting. It's like me saying "Well I haven't gotten lung cancer despite smoking cigarettes every day for 30 years, so that must mean cigarettes are benign". But this is all a separate story from the topic of opioids, so I digress.

I’m not judging you. What works and helps you…you know? I understand though because I took suboxone strips for over a year when I messed up my ankle since it was cheaper than going to the doctor and paying for prescription meds. I love opiates, but it is all a matter of maintaining some level of self-control while remaining realistic with yourself, bc once you begin to bullshit yourself things usually spiral out of control. I wish you the best. Godspeed

 

[TheLightBringer]

Tramadol is another example of low potency but better effects for me. 1 50mg pill of tramadol isn't gonna do much at all for me. But if I take 300-400mg spread over an hour, I use to get a high very similar to heroin, except more stimulating & caused more "music euphoria" (as in, I couldn't stop listening to music because it sounded & felt so good). And it would last 8hrs or some times until I went to bed at night.

When you had lower tolerance did you ever find tramadol lasted more than 8hrs?

I remember my best Opioid high ever was 650mg tramadol, 250mg codeine, 10mg oxy, 100mg promethazine and 2 cups of coffee when I was 16 with barely any opioid tolerance. I no joke felt it for 24hrs (although the main high lasted maybe around 10h). Felt better than smoking H. I was never able to recreate that feeling with opis ever again even with higher doses of other opioids (not counting stim + opi combos, those definetly surpassed it). Granted I had more tolerance the other times, but I used to be one of those purists shitting on tramadol until that experience

 

[Syntherize]

When you had lower tolerance did you ever find tramadol lasted more than 8hrs?

I remember my best Opioid high ever was 650mg tramadol, 250mg codeine, 10mg oxy, 100mg promethazine and 2 cups of coffee when I was 16 with barely any opioid tolerance. I no joke felt it for 24hrs (although the main high lasted maybe around 10h). Felt better than smoking H. I was never able to recreate that feeling with opis ever again even with higher doses of other opioids (not counting stim + opi combos, those definetly surpassed it). Granted I had more tolerance the other times, but I used to be one of those purists shitting on tramadol until that experience

That combo sounds like you simply overwhelmed your CYP2D6 enzymes in your liver and your body was just trying to play catch up” at such a young age which isn’t really a great idea. It’s good that you pulled through srsly…