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[Mushoku_Sensei]

The presence of benzos negates all opi nausea for me, maybe it did for you too, I'm not sure. I've taken a fucking excessive amount of oxycodone, hydrocodone, and hydromorphone back when I was terminally ill just over a decade ago. The MGM-15 that's well active in the microgram range could also be called 1,2,7-Trihydroxymitragynine ,it's got two extra hydrogens attached relative to 7-OH-Mitragynine but it lasts 3 times longer and is so much more stimulating that I much prefer it. Smoke shops and gas stations here in Florida don't appreciate it though because they were making $40+ a day off the 7-OH addicts, but now people will buy a single $20 pack of MGM-15 pressies and come back in to buy one more pack 2-3 days later.

last time the benzos didn't help. Also I'm having some painful stomach issues again - is that the 7 oh or the PG? You said something about PG toxicity once resp using pg liquid orally. Mind explaining that a bit? That might be a big part of the nausea... (I'm literally ballooning x_O)
Edit: those prices are unheard of here, btw...

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

The fact that 7-OH is so unique vaporized though tells me that there's at least some degree of variance between routes of administration.

Wait a sec, what exactly is the effect of vaped 7oh for you? Cause rn I put some into the vape, mixed w VG and hitting that... Not sure what it does so far, but body temp seems to increase...

 

[Esperighanto]

Wait a sec, what exactly is the effect of vaped 7oh for you? Cause rn I put some into the vape, mixed w VG and hitting that... Not sure what it does so far, but body temp seems to increase...

Oh I have no idea if it can be vaped like in vape juice, I was sandwiching it between flower, melting it very very very carefully like it's DMT sandwiched in there and nodding out like I'd been smoking Dilaudid. Body temp increase is a sign something's working, I would smoke like 25+mg at a time too.

last time the benzos didn't help. Also I'm having some painful stomach issues again - is that the 7 oh or the PG? You said something about PG toxicity once resp using pg liquid orally. Mind explaining that a bit? That might be a big part of the nausea... (I'm literally ballooning x_O)

Yeah how much PG are you consuming orally? It has an LD50, be careful and try to keep the amounts of orally consumed PG as low as possible.

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

Oh I have no idea if it can be vaped like in vape juice, I was sandwiching it between flower, melting it very very very carefully like it's DMT sandwiched in there and nodding out like I'd been smoking Dilaudid. Body temp increase is a sign something's working, I would smoke like 25+mg at a time too.

I see... I still don't know what it does, in any case I'm clearly still feeling opioid effects now at almost midnight when I should be sleeping long time - last oral dose was at 3 pm... If it works vaped then in a very subtle way. I'll try to verify that tomorrow

Yeah how much PG are you consuming orally? It has an LD50, be careful and try to keep the amounts of orally consumed PG as low as possible.

~0,6 ml today, what's the LD50?

 

[TheLightBringer]

If I exceed 900 micrograms of MGM-15 I'm fucked, super nauseous, spinny, etc., whereas 7-OH I can put to about 25mg and oxycodone maybe 40-60mg before any nausea would hit.

Dang, is this just in terms of nausea or in terms of strength as well?
How many MME would you say MGM-15 is both oral and vaped respectively?

 

[TheLightBringer]

Yeah how much PG are you consuming orally? It has an LD50, be careful and try to keep the amounts of orally consumed PG as low as possible.

Isnt the dosage for acute toxicity to occur something like 270ml for a 70kg human? I think I looked it up a while ago when I had a supplement suspended in PG and toxicity started to occur around 4g/kg

Although Im sure its still harmful long term even in lower doses. But youd have to actively try to die from PG poisoning by drinking it

 

[Esperighanto]

Isnt the dosage for acute toxicity to occur something like 270ml for a 70kg human? I think I looked it up a while ago when I had a supplement suspended in PG and toxicity started to occur around 4g/kg

Although Im sure its still harmful long term even in lower doses. But youd have to actively try to die from PG poisoning by drinking it

Yeah the LD50 is super high, but people who were taking 30mg of etizolam a day as their addiction climbed and were dosing at 0.5mg/mL found themselves experiencing kidney and liver troubles from eating ~60mL of etizolam daily.

I would argue that ideally PG based dilutions should operate at most in the range of maybe 10-20mL of total PG a day if possible, though I'm sure there are higher points that are fine.

Dang, is this just in terms of nausea or in terms of strength as well?

Oh I mean, it's far stronger than I need it to be in this range and by this point it's also getting nauseous and giving me the spins if I pass 900 micrograms.

How many MME would you say MGM-15 is both oral and vaped respectively?

I can safely eat about 60mg of oxycodone which is 1.5MME, so I'd guess 90MME is where I get the spins/nausea from oxy, meaning that if ~1mg of MGM-15 is equal to 60mg of oxycodone, that's something like 90MME I think? I'm not a big opioid guy so I'm not the best to ask, but this shit is strong. Like, scary strong. I've been procrastinating the vape tank setup but I need to get around to it today, I just have no clue how to dose the juice.

 

[KetWise]

Green kratom 4 g
12,5mg diazepam
Sativa
Yellow kratom 2g
Strong Coffee
Few tokes on that skunk
4g red kratom
25mg promethazine

 

[Esperighanto]

800 Micrograms of etizolam (estimated) and ~300 micrograms of phenazolam, about as much of either of the two I can take without blacking out since their cross-potentiation is so absurdly strong. Also put 1.2mg of MGM-15 in the drink this morning, a classic "Big Sippah", a 1.75 pint Powerade. If I was abundant with 2C-B, meth/phenidates/phenylmorpholines I would probably add those too, but I'm considering adding some gabapentin though, "my side bitch Gabby" as my fiance and I facetiously call it.

I've got about half of the 5-6g of HHC left in the box mod tank right now, it's terpless and the next one I really want to hit with some absurd shit but I'm still thinking up what, maybe ethyl maltol and some other compounds to whip up a cotton candy sort of flavor, idk yet.

 

[ions]

I went three days without any caffeine cuz the sugar in monster was too much.
Had one just now and I'm juiced.

 

[TheLightBringer]

I can safely eat about 60mg of oxycodone which is 1.5MME, so I'd guess 90MME is where I get the spins/nausea from oxy, meaning that if ~1mg of MGM-15 is equal to 60mg of oxycodone, that's something like 90MME I think? I'm not a big opioid guy so I'm not the best to ask, but this shit is strong. Like, scary strong. I've been procrastinating the vape tank setup but I need to get around to it today, I just have no clue how to dose the juice.

90MME vaped is insane, essentially fentanyl potency. Only thing I can find online is that studies claim its around 50x morphine orally.
Just wish I could find some trustworthy reports of MGM-16 as its supposedly was as strong as 240x morphine in a study
Makes me wonder if we can go even further with the scaffold, could long lasting say 500x MME derivatives be possible? Maybe…

 

[Esperighanto]

90MME vaped is insane, essentially fentanyl potency. Only thing I can find online is that studies claim its around 50x morphine orally.
Just wish I could find some trustworthy reports of MGM-16 as its supposedly was as strong as 240x morphine in a study
Makes me wonder if we can go even further with the scaffold, could long lasting say 500x morphine derivatives be possible? Maybe…

Well, none of these are morphine derivatives, they're mitragynine derivatives. The one that's 240x morphine in potency is MGM-16, not MGM-15, MGM-16 is a flourinated analog of MGM-15 that's significantly stronger but has yet to hit the market iirc. I'm going to start with probably 10mg/mL, then splitting that into 4 vials containing 0.25mL each, and diluting one to 2.5mg/mL, one to 5mg/mL, one to 7.5mg/mL, and then keep one undiluted at 10mg/mL. I've got the Narcan ready and I won't test this one alone.

 

[TheLightBringer]

Well, none of these are morphine derivatives, they're mitragynine derivatives. The one that's 240x morphine in potency is MGM-16, not MGM-15, MGM-16 is a flourinated analog of MGM-15 that's significantly stronger but has yet to hit the market iirc. I'm going to start with probably 10mg/mL, then splitting that into 4 vials containing 0.25mL each, and diluting one to 2.5mg/mL, one to 5mg/mL, one to 7.5mg/mL, and then keep one undiluted at 10mg/mL. I've got the Narcan ready and I won't test this one alone.

Yes I was talking about MGM-16 when I mentioned the latter 240x. I feel its unlikely well see it become popular though, but it will have its place from niche vendors, probably some other halogenated derivatives will show up as well.

Its a bit scary but also lovely that the mitragynoids have potential for such high potency. I hope it doesnt bring about the restriction of kratom quicker though…

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

Was tying the vape today and am convinced at least a part is reaching the target... Gives a nice headache too..
Next I'm invited for dinner so took the excuse to shape up:
4,2 g Kratom
4/8 mg 7oh/Mit orally
5 mg Diazepam
... Low doses are the better ones for me at least, gives a pretty little buzz and tonight I'm gonna sleep - even if I have to use my pill shelf to hit my head, lol

 

[Sp4rky]

Mann, I’ve had a really good fucking rave. One of those nights with friends I really fucking needed.

Chemical soup apart from the bit of meth yesterday morning was:

- 2-mmc, fuck knows how many bumps
- 3/4 xtc pill (165mg MDMA)
- 2 bumps of K

went to the rave pretty much sober, started off with a few bumps 2-mmc and took half an xtc pill when my friends arrived. Honestly didn’t except much of the xtc, since last time I’d taken the same dose and barely felt it, this time it hit me really fucking hard in a good way.

More 2-mmc bumps throughout the night and early morning. Took another quarter roughly around 5-6 in the morning, as me and my friends were all in the mood for chilling around at the rave venue afterwards.

Ended off on 2 small bumps of K roughly around 8-9 a.m. I’d say? Normally don’t do K in social settings, but it was the perfect addition after the rave ended and me & my friends ended this morning by jumping on a trampoline and the K and xtc were a perfect blend of some good old nostalgia and deep talks with my friends

Home now, definitely feeling the comedown, but nothing too bad, just sad it’s over but also glad to be home enjoying some quietness. Just having late breakfast and will be taking some diazepam soon to maybe sleep a bit.

Nights like these always are a great reminder for keeping to my harm reduction stuff and try and reduce my use during the work week as much as possible.

Hope y’all having a decent Sunday so far

 

[Ain'tLifeGrand]

It's 7oh Sunday for me. This stuff is very strong and I don't feel more than 2x a week is safe. I use a 92% powder insufflated or oral . At bedtime I take 12.5. Mg insa pineapple coconut edible, a Flexeril and 0.25mg Klonopin and 600 mg gabapentin for neck arthritis. That's a massive reduction as they had me on 2400 gabapentin daily and I was forgetting words.

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

It's 7oh Sunday for me. This stuff is very strong and I don't feel more than 2x a week is safe. I use a 92% powder insufflated or oral . At bedtime I take 12.5. Mg insa pineapple coconut edible, a Flexeril and 0.25mg Klonopin and 600 mg gabapentin for neck arthritis. That's a massive reduction as they had me on 2400 gabapentin daily and I was forgetting words.

Can only agree on being careful with the 7oh, not sure whether 2x/week is even safe... In my case I guess I'll finish what I have today and fortunately can't get the stuff on the next gas station... Means I tried to but can't leave it alone. It's one of those drugs that I can't control...

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

OT:
200 mg Pregabalin
25 mg Hydroxyzine
4g Kratom (third dose)
30 mg 7oh,
60 mg Mitragynin
First hit nicely, nodded off briefly but kept jerking up at every sound, then felt sick for a bit (removed the nic patch) and now I'm hyperactive again
-> 5 mg Diazepam
20 mg Propranolol
This has gotten out of hand - for my standards anyway. The amounts may be moderate still but it threw me out of balance emotionally much more than anything else I currently use. It's punishing my stomach, sleep patterns and the craving is too much. I can't take breaks, so that's a problem. I'll run out tomorrow fs but still tempted to restock despite knowing better...

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

So today had my last dose of
~ 25 mg 7oh
~ 50 mg Mitragynin
4 g Kratom
25 mg Hydroxyzine
Edit: forgot the thymoquinone
Then got busy when I started feeling it - and it was tf gone!!! Aaarrrghh!!!
I was so irritated that I added
200 mg Pregabalin and
10 mg Diazepam i.v.... Almost fell asleep for a few minutes, then had to get up - and I'm back to being irritated af and rather hyperactive again. This shit drives me nuts fr... ...

 

[KetWise]

So today had my last dose of
~ 25 mg 7oh
~ 50 mg Mitragynin
4 g Kratom
25 mg Hydroxyzine
Edit: forgot the thymoquinone
Then got busy when I started feeling it - and it was tf gone!!! Aaarrrghh!!!
I was so irritated that I added
200 mg Pregabalin and
10 mg Diazepam i.v.... Almost fell asleep for a few minutes, then had to get up - and I'm back to being irritated af and rather hyperactive again. This shit drives me nuts fr... ...

I hardly fall asleep/nod on kratom anymore and if I do just like you describe I wake up irritated and running everywhere, frustrating

OT:
4g green kratom
12,5mg diazepam
Sativa big spliff
3g green kratom with green tea and green lemon