Miscellaneous Daring to return to psychedelics 30+ years after a heroic dose of LSD

[PsychedelicSummer]

IMO if I wanted to make a comeback I would do it it with mushrooms a nice tea with low dosage is actually very smooth and you can easily cut it off by eat some food and take a benzo whereas with a chemical you’re stuck.

Mushrooms contain chemicals . Benzos work the same with naturally occurring psychedelic molecules as with man made.

 

[placebonaut]

gave 2C-B a try over the weekend. if these pills are dosed correctly then 1mg of 2C-B = 0.008g of powdered pill - (for those reading this with scales that read to 0.00Xg note that you don't get confidence in the weight until 0.0Y0g, which is why I did what I did below)

T0 0.01g 1st as an allergy test with some weed
T+1 another 0.02g
T+3 another 0.03g for 7.5mg 2C-B in total
T+4 warm fuzzy glow type effect, no visuals, no change in mental state

figured given onset and duration times this would give me a short duration threshold experience, i'm 280lbs so not sure if it's my weight, the staggered dosing not working as I'd imagined, or if these are under dosed, or all of these!

I also may have had a shit load of methedrone earlier in the day, but that was mostly out of my system by T0, and I would expect 2C-B and methedrone to work well together like 2C-B and MDMA.

Any advice on the effect and what the likely issue is hitting threshold would be most very welcomed

next time I plan to try 10mg in 1 go - might be a few weeks away though, I'm on a tolerance break for a week, and then tend to cycle drug classes, not sure when I'll have to time to get around to psychedelics again

 

[iom]

This sounds like a +1. The staggering may have blunted things a little but probably not a lot. It's also possible that the after-effects of the mephedrone somewhat obscured the 2C-B effect. Either way, I think you can double the amount, and do it all in one go. That should hopefully at least get you to a +2. You may end up needing at least "25 mg" (in quotes because we don't know the strength of your tablets) to get anywhere near a +3.

 

[placebonaut]

This sounds like a +1. The staggering may have blunted things a little but probably not a lot. It's also possible that the after-effects of the mephedrone somewhat obscured the 2C-B effect. Either way, I think you can double the amount, and do it all in one go. That should hopefully at least get you to a +2. You may end up needing at least "25 mg" (in quotes because we don't know the strength of your tablets) to get anywhere near a +3.

thanks for the advice, I may give 10mg a try to begin with, see what it's like and then consider another 5mg an hour or so later in that case, I'm in no rush, prefer to take things a bit easy and build up

 

[placebonaut]

did 0.08mg of crushed pill powder in 1 go which should be ~10mg, along with cannabis.

much better effect, warm glow, almost drunken like when walking about, mental state elevation, no visuals, foggy head effects, stimulating (needed some sleep aids to get off to sleep).

very pleasant overall.

quite liked this as a rec threshold experience

 

[placebonaut]

so off to a gig tomorrow and the decision is 0.1mg of pill powder or MDMA (which I think I will get busted using)

decisions, decisions.....

I'm gonna prep a cap of each

which should I take?? danger i'll do both both but I have monday off work, although the other half will be with me and doing drugs is not acceptable.

i'm about to get into trouble, wish me luck

 

[iom]

I have a hard time recommending anybody to do psychedelics (or MDMA) while with a significant other and then trying to hide it from them. This seems likely to involve a stressful dynamic with a lot of potential downside.

 

[placebonaut]

I have a hard time recommending anybody to do psychedelics (or MDMA) while with a significant other and then trying to hide it from them. This seems likely to involve a stressful dynamic with a lot of potential downside.

yep, shock horror I was high last night when I wrote my last message, in the cold light of day I've had 2nd thoughts! decided to do neither, just going to take some edible cannabis, a bit of coke, and then have some beer instead.

play it safe

 

[xdrc]

I have a hard time recommending anybody to do psychedelics (or MDMA) while with a significant other and then trying to hide it from them. This seems likely to involve a stressful dynamic with a lot of potential downside.

I think there shouldn't even be any hiding at all concerning psychedelic use (or really any drug use!) and significant others.

 

[placebonaut]

I think there shouldn't even be any hiding at all concerning psychedelic use (or really any drug use!) and significant others.

in an ideal world I agree, however they simply don't understand, and I would like to try them again.

I'm already a changed person from my heroic dose, not sure something like that ever really leaves you tbh.

Had a few k-holes recently and a fair bit of MDMA over the past year or so, it's not changed our relationship or me in a massive way, not sure I'm expecting psycs to do so either, but happy to take advice if my expectation is wrong - not planning on a heroic dose this time either

 

[xdrc]

in an ideal world I agree, however they simply don't understand, and I would like to try them again.

Whether they understand or approve is for themselves to decide, hiding your use is dishonest and devalues the relationship as you non-consentually dismiss or disrespect their opinions, feelings and thoughts, leading to an unequal relationship. I can relate somehow as my own substance use is sometimes connected with shame from self-stigmatisation, but I believe in a healthy and fair relationship these struggles can be overcome.

Of course you can be free to use whatever you want to use whenever you want to, but the outcomes of drug use (especially illicit!) can be severe enough that you should give your partner the ability to consent whether they want to be together with you or not. That's just my opinion though.

 

[placebonaut]

Whether they understand or approve is for themselves to decide, hiding your use is dishonest and devalues the relationship as you non-consentually dismiss or disrespect their opinions, feelings and thoughts, leading to an unequal relationship. I can relate somehow as my own substance use is sometimes connected with shame from self-stigmatisation, but I believe in a healthy and fair relationship these struggles can be overcome.

Of course you can be free to use whatever you want to use whenever you want to, but the outcomes of drug use (especially illicit!) can be severe enough that you should give your partner the ability to consent whether they want to be together with you or not. That's just my opinion though.

they are aware that I use, that's not a secret, but I actively avoid doing it in front of them because they disapprove, yet they are happy for my to drink even though it's killing me....

I understand what you're saying and why, the reality of a long term relationship means we trust one another enough to look past differences of opinions like this, they're not going to stop us from loving each other or wanting to be together, but they do add friction mainly due to worry/concern, however frankly this is the lesser of 2 evils, I've had an open alcohol problem my partner's always been aware of which escalated mainly due to my reduction in drug use (this was caused by their disapproval) - and while I know that's on me the reality of life is there's cause and effect, right now I need to prioritise my health and sort myself out (which I'm doing), I'd rather do that in a way that protects them and reduces their worry if I can. I'm more motivated by caring for them than trying to hide my drug use, though honestly having an easier life has it's appeal too!

 

[placebonaut]

so had another try of 2C-B last night, 120mg powder then after an hour or 2 another 50mg for a total of 21.25mg 2C-B, 1st dose on an empty stomach however I ate between doses.

this meant that the effects took ages to kick in, after T+4 hours I was just starting to get the effects, however I needed to hit the bong pretty hard to get things working better, got some minor visuals when concentrating on a paisley type pattern, and then more weeds and become blissed out for a bit, very enjoyable bliss feeling, very much like an MDMA vibe with visuals.

I didn't get any head space effects here really.

clearly I need to take this on an empty stomach.

would very much like the bliss feeling, and some more visuals, but don't want to push things too far, is it best to just go for a 21.25mg dose on a empty stomach in 1 go next time, will that give me a big enough effect? or do I need to increase things a bit? maybe something like 25mg in 1 go?

 

[iom]

I don't know because you have a lot of variables, but you're probably fine just taking 25 mg at once. Really 2C-B is quite forgiving for most people, and in general it doesn't have a very strong headspace.

 

[placebonaut]

I don't know because you have a lot of variables, but you're probably fine just taking 25 mg at once. Really 2C-B is quite forgiving for most people, and in general it doesn't have a very strong headspace.

that's music to my ears.

I'm feeling a lot more confident using it now and knowing the headspace is easier makes things a lot more approachable for me, think I'll give 25mg a go next time. Looking forward to it!

 

[M!$TER-ED]

No offense and I don't mean sound derogative but tripping again is only as big a deal as you make it

 

[placebonaut]

No offense and I don't mean sound derogative but tripping again is only as big a deal as you make it

yeah I know, and also putting the pressure on myself will act like a negative feedback loop.

still a bit of anxiety that I have to deal with about it in truth so a more gentle way back in is very welcome, I think I've found that with 2C-B so far, very happy with the results