Roadside drug-test post-scripts

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I will give you guys the sure fire way to ride around drunk, fucked up, high or whatever you prefer without getting pulled over by the cops. Ready for the secret? Buy a motorcycle. 9 times out of 10 they don't bother with people on motorcycles because it's a self correcting problem. The 10th time it's easy enough to out run them.

Alright that is a thought I am willing to entertain. So you get hearded into one of these checkpoints and you think you get a pass for being on a motorcycle (Is that true?)

If not the big plan is to blow through the roadblock and outrun them?

Or are we turning around as legally as possible and fleeing back in that direction -- Feels like the more plausible plan since ideally they havent got your face and plate on camera yet..... But if they get even close enough to zoom in on your plates you are done. Cameras are getting pretty damn good these days -- (That said you can get a "Licence plate flipper" for 20 bucks....)

You better damn well know the area better than them and be able to get off the road fast.

Now it is absolutely inappropriate for a cop to high speed chase someone on a motorcycle as it puts a ton of lives at risk --- that does not seem to stop them always though.

I think it ups your probability of getting through forsure --- certainly ups the risk and consequence level if they do get ahold of you though.

 

[Rabbit]

Alright that is a thought I am willing to entertain. So you get hearded into one of these checkpoints and you think you get a pass for being on a motorcycle (Is that true?)

Look man I don't pretend to know your area. But I can say with confidence that they never ever chase a motorcycle here unless you've gone out of your way to fuck with them (ask me how I know) and even then they stand little chance depending on what you're riding. 600cc and up crotch rocket vs. supped up cop car the bike wins every time. Lots of people do not even bother registering their bikes or running legit tags on them. Since they don't want their insurance fees to go up and never plan on riding the speed limit anyway.

The cops are trained just to let you go because unless you end up in a wreck with another bike the only person that's going to get injured/killed is yourself.

Yes you'd either roll through the checkpoint shooting a gap or turn around and gun it. There is nothing they can do about it.

It's never worth it to stop and be a good boy. Since bike is fun and fun means being 20+mph over most of the time. Which equals reckless and dangerous speeding ticket (aka felony) in most places. So everyone just runs.

Even the Harley riders are left alone but for a different reason. They typically ride in packs. Which the cops don't want to deal with (they're pussies when faced with numbers of people larger than themselves). So they'll wave your gang of post-middle aged drunk wannabe bikers right through every time. The guys here have been doing poker runs for decades going from bar to bar all day and they are never bothered. Bike is the cheat code for still being able to drink drive because again: self correcting problem as far as they are concerned. If you want to take the risk with your own life it's your business. The state to the south of me doesn't even have a helmet law.

You do not have to know every inch of the road but you damn sure better be paying attention to it.

Edit: I do understand other countries have strict bike laws. Thankfully, I live in the land of freedom where a 16 year old can ride a litre bike with nothing more than a 10 question written test.

The trade off with the bike is everyone and everything else on the road is trying to kill you at all times. One idiot at an intersection can end your life even if you were following all traffic laws and going the speed limit. Every soccer mom and grandma sitting at a stop sign seems intent on murdering you at every possible moment. You learn to watch their front wheels pretty quickly. There is a reason why we're so aggressive. We don't want to be anywhere near you crazy people. Cops are the last thing on my mind and I honestly wouldn't know if one was chasing me 99% of the time anyway. If I happen to look back and see one lighting me up and thinking he's got enough horsepower I'm dropping one gear and he's never going to see me again. I can assure you of that. I don't care if he's got a Hellcat and works for Georgia Highway Patrol and I'm on his home turf. I'm going to win every time. I can literally out run the radio and the chopper if I want.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Look man I don't pretend to know your area. But I can say with confidence that they never ever chase a motorcycle here unless you've gone out of your way to fuck with them (ask me how I know) and even then they stand little chance depending on what you're riding. 600cc and up crotch rocket vs. supped up cop car the bike wins every time. Lots of people do not even bother registering their bikes or running legit tags on them. Since they don't want their insurance fees to go up and never plan on riding the speed limit anyway.

The cops are trained just to let you go because unless you end up in a wreck with another bike the only person that's going to get injured/killed is yourself.

Yes you'd either roll through the checkpoint shooting a gap or turn around and gun it. There is nothing they can do about it.

It's never worth it to stop and be a good boy. Since bike is fun and fun means being 20+mph over most of the time. Which equals reckless and dangerous speeding ticket (aka felony) in most places. So everyone just runs.

Even the Harley riders are left alone but for a different reason. They typically ride in packs. Which the cops don't want to deal with (they're pussies when faced with numbers of people larger than themselves). So they'll wave your gang of post-middle aged drunk wannabe bikers right through every time. The guys here have been doing poker runs for decades going from bar to bar all day and they are never bothered. Bike is the cheat code for still being able to drink drive because again: self correcting problem as far as they are concerned. If you want to take the risk with your own life it's your business. The state to the south of me doesn't even have a helmet law.

You do not have to know every inch of the road but you damn sure better be paying attention to it.

Edit: I do understand other countries have strict bike laws. Thankfully, I live in the land of freedom where a 16 year old can ride a litre bike with nothing more than a 10 question written test.

The trade off with the bike is everyone and everything else on the road is trying to kill you at all times. One idiot at an intersection can end your life even if you were following all traffic laws and going the speed limit. Every soccer mom and grandma sitting at a stop sign seems intent on murdering you at every possible moment. You learn to watch their front wheels pretty quickly. There is a reason why we're so aggressive. We don't want to be anywhere near you crazy people. Cops are the last thing on my mind and I honestly wouldn't know if one was chasing me 99% of the time anyway. If I happen to look back and see one lighting me up and thinking he's got enough horsepower I'm dropping one gear and he's never going to see me again. I can assure you of that. I don't care if he's got a Hellcat and works for Georgia Highway Patrol and I'm on his home turf. I'm going to win every time. I can literally out run the radio and the chopper if I want.

I think you took me wrong. I am genuinely willing to entertain that as an idea. Fuck if I wanna be hearded into an arrest.

To me this is simply a problem that needs a solution. (Roadside THC testing)

Okay in this area you aint gunna get past the first cop without legit tags so that pretty much gives me all the context I need. The harley thing is true but I dont need to be in an M.C (nor am I really a motobicycollie enthusiast).

I think we in the same country but the laws appear to be applied very differently in your region. (Bit jealous tbh with you)

ps you can outrun the chopper and radio -- not the camera though.. One snapshot of your plates (If they are legit - game over they at your house - again if the paperwork is legit lol)

 

[losthippy]

Australian policing tactics and the cautious driving-public mindset is a part of the culture here. No offence intended, but we are gulfs apart in so many ways from elsewhere. After decades of refining their methods cops know all the tricks. Drivers/riders are largely compliant with road rules to avoid drawing attention (and fines, or worse) so it's not a matter of escalating an already fucked situation by trying to do a runner on any mode of transport. Getting away with it is not the point.
Australian cops have the tech and legal processes to catch miscreants sooner or later and often expose them in the media to make a point. Their aim is to grind down resistors and, alcohol aside, drug-effected drivers are the focus. Sadly, the wider public has been conditioned to lump certain medicinal and most other recreational drugs together, and it seems most accept the no-tolerance view through sheer apathy - that is unless they themselves partake. Hence, we come full circle.
As said above, ^, a Roadside THC Test with a realistic scale of capacity to function safely is needed, but given the complex nature of weed's effects on different people and entrenched resistance to change I fear it'll stay in the too-hard basket a good while longer.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Australian policing tactics and the cautious driving-public mindset is a part of the culture here. No offence intended, but we are gulfs apart in so many ways from elsewhere. After decades of refining their methods cops know all the tricks. Drivers/riders are largely compliant with road rules to avoid drawing attention (and fines, or worse) so it's not a matter of escalating an already fucked situation by trying to do a runner on any mode of transport. Getting away with it is not the point.
Australian cops have the tech and legal processes to catch miscreants sooner or later and often expose them in the media to make a point. Their aim is to grind down resistors and, alcohol aside, drug-effected drivers are the focus. Sadly, the wider public has been conditioned to lump certain medicinal and most other recreational drugs together, and it seems most accept the no-tolerance view through sheer apathy - that is unless they themselves partake. Hence, we come full circle.
As said above, ^, a Roadside THC Test with a realistic scale of capacity to function safely is needed, but given the complex nature of weed's effects on different people and entrenched resistance to change I fear it'll stay in the too-hard basket a good while longer.

So until than you suggest people just be herded into jail? It seems like conformity is your suggestion and bah humbug is my response.

The cops know all the tricks in the US too -- it is simply about being more prepared sophisticated and qualified than them. (Doing so while remaining compliant with road rules is highly suggested by me). They got cameras, radios, a database, and if they really get ya facial recognition. They are not infallible.

The point is that there is no evidence whatsoever that says people should not be able to drive say 4-6 hours after smoking and the test being utterly inadequate.

Given no realistic scale of capacity why on gods green earth would I oblige them when avoidance is still the higher chance of not landing in jail.

Bottom line is if people run from these roadside tests --- they are kind of instigating those car chases by violating personal rights.

Now I am not an aussie and you did say you are gulfs apart so if my post has a tint of american ignorance I apologize.

Personally I suggest turning around as legally as possible and leaving at this point.....If they decide to take the resources to chase ya in that direction -- Well Id pull over but it is totally your call (AND RISK)

 

[losthippy]

So until than you suggest people just be herded into jail? It seems like conformity is your suggestion and bah humbug is my response.

The cops know all the tricks in the US too -- it is simply about being more prepared sophisticated and qualified than them. (Doing so while remaining compliant with road rules is highly suggested by me). They got cameras, radios, a database, and if they really get ya facial recognition. They are not infallible.

The point is that there is no evidence whatsoever that says people should not be able to drive say 4-6 hours after smoking and the test being utterly inadequate.

Given no realistic scale of capacity why on gods green earth would I oblige them when avoidance is still the higher chance of not landing in jail.

Bottom line is if people run from these roadside tests --- they are kind of instigating those car chases by violating personal rights.

Now I am not an aussie and you did say you are gulfs apart so if my post has a tint of american ignorance I apologize.

Personally I suggest turning around as legally as possible and leaving at this point.....If they decide to take the resources to chase ya in that direction -- Well Id pull over but it is totally your call (AND RISK)

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I agree completely!

 

[losthippy]

So, seems like some movement has been made in two States though they still seem vexed by having to re-jig their thinking in these changing times. Victoria believes a magistrate should decide whether legally medicated drivers who test positive should be penalized, with impairment being an aggravating factor in the decision. Still no guidelines about what impairment is supposed to look like, however.
NSW has opted for a three-strikes approach where warnings are issued for the first two positive detections above a threshold with penalties handed down for a third offence inside two years. As if the passage of time and continued punishment is a move in the right direction for those who've had to jump through all the hoops to get their prescriptions.
Somehow, Tasmania has chosen to leave drivers with valid prescriptions alone and the island hasn't imploded because of it. The other States and NT continue to dig their heels in with an eye towards how NSW and Victoria deal with implementation and blowback of their respective schemes
At some point there will have to be a clear definition of what impairment is and, more importantly, how it can be measured. If they get that part right then the matter of threshold would be more conducive to work around in a safe and practicable way, provided it is realistic.

 

[losthippy]

A quick update on what one State has come up with is worth a read. NSW Govt. has laid out some numbers and conditions for medicinal weed consumers to chew over. Its a start.

Cannabis driving limit change to give 'freedom' to medicinal users in NSW

The Labor government plans to introduce a legal limit on the concentration of THC a driver can have in their system if they have a prescription.

www.abc.net.au