Trigger Warning Should public prayer be bannned in the UK?

[alasdairm]

Knowone should be above criticism whether justified or not
If not justified then there are consequences for the criticism handed out
Consequences are the key I think
We have free speach but there are always consequences attached to it

i'm not sure why the goalposts keep being moved here... well, i have an idea but that's a different discussion

i don't see anybody in this thread arguing that one should not be allowed to criticise. i am certainly not saying that. the thread started with a suggestion that the practice be outright banned. what part of that is the free speech part?

alasdair

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

I thought you'd agreed to disagree. Twice, by my reckoning.

 

[alasdairm]

yeah, i agreed to disagree with you. i am now replying to a new, different message, from another user. pretty straightforward

alasdair

 

[LoginNotSecure]

The only God worthy of a follow.

 

[Allylbenzene]

...in the southern US when there was tons of momentum for things like putting the Ten Commandments back in classrooms or even bibles.

This would have at least given kids some sense of morality and right or wrong. Things which in other cultures are seen as common sense and self-respect. This is also somewhat lacking in other countries like England.

 

[mal3volent]

This would have at least given kids some sense of morality and right or wrong. Things which in other cultures are seen as common sense and self-respect. This is also somewhat lacking in other countries like England.

How do you decide which bits of the book to live by and which to completely ignore?

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Yahweh says: Thou shalt not kill.

Yahweh also says: Kill all neighbouring tribes immediately.

 

[Allylbenzene]

...in the southern US when there was tons of momentum for things like putting the Ten Commandments back in classrooms or even bibles.

This would have at least given kids some sense of morality and right or wrong.

How do you decide which bits of the book to live by and which to completely ignore?

The ten commandments are concise and legible. There are significant advantages to having a moral compass, regardless of what book it originates from. Even non-religious parents can teach their kids to have a moral compass.

I see no issues with taking the 10 commandments seriously and ignoring the rest of the bible.

Also I'm not christian. You're not conversing with a christian who has a religion to defend.

(as an aside, I set the other user to ignore, the one who keeps moving the goalposts)

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

They're outdated bollocks from a guy (Moses) who probably never even existed, let alone received divine revelation.

Besides, they were immediately contravened by the people who were meant to live by them.

Do you wear clothing of mixed fibres, perchance?

 

[mal3volent]

The ten commandments are concise and legible. There are significant advantages to having a moral compass, regardless of what book it originates from. Even non-religious parents can teach their kids to have a moral compass.

I see no issues with taking the 10 Commandments seriously and ignoring the rest of the bible.

Also I'm not christian. You're not conversing with a christian who has a religion to defend.

(as an aside, I set the other user to ignore, the one who keeps moving the goalposts)

I mean, that's fair. But some of the commandments are silly and the others are basically common sense. Most morality can be derived from rationality and reason but I do agree there are other factors at play. It can't be completely rational.

 

[lost weekend]

i'm not sure why the goalposts keep being moved here... well, i have an idea but that's a different discussion

i don't see anybody in this thread arguing that one should not be allowed to criticise. i am certainly not saying that. the thread started with a suggestion that the practice be outright banned. what part of that is the free speech part?

alasdair

Your right ,I have a tendency to move away from the actuall bones of the thread
Sometimes I feel I have to get an opinion across even though it has nothing relevant to do with the discussion
My bad
My apologies

 

[lost weekend]

I try stay away from political and religious threads ,for one thing I'm not informed enough in either topic .
Plus there both sensitive topics

Live and let live is my whole feeling towards the subject
(I did say I'm not very articulate on these or any matters tbh)

 

[Allylbenzene]

I mean, that's fair. But some of the commandments are silly and the others are basically common sense.

Common sense must be seriously lacking for many people! Or it's become distorted perhaps?

Most morality can be derived from rationality and reason but I do agree there are other factors at play. It can't be completely rational.

There are situations which go beyond. Stealing for example, that's technically right if it's absolutely necessary. Likewise with lying. I'm purposefully avoiding abortion since that's not a discussion for the topic of whether public prayer should be banned in the UK.

Iirc in the bible it's written to pray in private. Don't quote me on that.

 

[lost weekend]

Imagine how bad those religious differences and political differences will get when a bag of flour costs 30 dollars and 10 dollars for a tank of gas, and no one can afford their mortgages anymore. I'll say by that time presidents will be trying to change the constitution and staying in more than 2 terms.

I get you ,it doesn't take much for what is a supposedly free democratic country like the US and UK fir example to descend into chaos when basic resources are scarce or even non existent

I remember you said you were originally from Russia, not sure if you were around or there at the collapse of the soviet union but that's basically what happened
People fighting in shops queuing for rations

 

[lost weekend]

There is mass public prayer on rememberince Sunday to honour the fallen
Those who gave their lives ,particularly during the first World War should always be remembered (another subject I know)
I could be mistaken but with so many of the British empires soldiers being of a different faith there must be organised public prayer in other religions along side Christian prayers

Whether the soldiers or their living relatives approve of a religious prayer is something only they could answer

I really need to learn how to spell correctly lol

 

[lost weekend]

And yes I do buy a poppy every year
Can never seem to get the right one though

 

[fuckabout89]

I get you ,it doesn't take much for what is a supposedly free democratic country like the US and UK fir example to descend into chaos when basic resources are scarce or even non existent

I remember you said you were originally from Russia, not sure if you were around or there at the collapse of the soviet union but that's basically what happened
People fighting in shops queuing for rations

I came from Yeltsin years when that traitor was selling his country out and the US was implementing shock policies to the economy. I was too young to remember much of it but my parents back home were crack addicts and mother was a prostitute. My dad was also part of the white nationalists groups. I got a chance too talk to them couple years ago, my dad is in prison over there while mom straightened her act up, I also have two sisters over there who are drug addicts and one brother whos a ultra nationalist.

 

[lost weekend]

I came from Yeltsin years when that traitor was selling his country out and the US was implementing shock policies to the economy. I was too young to remember much of it but my parents back home were crack addicts and mother was a prostitute. My dad was also part of the white nationalists groups. I got a chance too talk to them couple years ago, my dad is in prison over there while mom straightened her act up, I also have two sisters over there who are drug addicts and one brother whos a ultra nationalist.

Sounds like you have it very tough .
I won't patronise and say "I feel your pain" cos I couldn't begin to understand
It's good your mum is doing better
I came from a loving family but am still fucked up
Not to say your family didn't/does love you it's just life Is fucking hard

 

[lost weekend]

I came from Yeltsin years when that traitor was selling his country out and the US was implementing shock policies to the economy. I was too young to remember much of it but my parents back home were crack addicts and mother was a prostitute. My dad was also part of the white nationalists groups. I got a chance too talk to them couple years ago, my dad is in prison over there while mom straightened her act up, I also have two sisters over there who are drug addicts and one brother whos a ultra nationalist.

Has it made you develop a hard outer shell towards others ,I think if I had been anything through like you I'd see people in a different light
I always like to think the best of people but can almost understand how I could go through life thinking the worst of everyone

 

[fuckabout89]

Has it made you develop a hard outer shell towards others ,I think if I had been anything through like you I'd see people in a different light
I always like to think the best of people but can almost understand how I could go through life thinking the worst of everyone

Yes, Im not very empathetic and very angry all the time just the way it is. I didn't have much better parents in the states either.