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Trigger Warning Should public prayer be bannned in the UK?

streaM Freak said:
I hear you. Was just going off 😂 inspired by your post
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It's an argument that can never be won .
Debates around these things will always hinge on one side admitting that they can't prove beyond doubt that a supreme being exists
They will not except reasonable doubt even though its good enough for our justice system .
 
alasdairm said:
well, now you've moved the goalposts.

in your first iteration, you were in the uk in "a majority Muslim area". now, for some reason, you're in a "majority Muslim country"?

they're two quite different scenarios.

in the case of the former, i believe you should be as free to perform your rites of pan as the group of muslims praying in a group are to pray publicly. in the case of the latter, it would depend on the local law.

i think you may find some relief from your distaste if you recognize that nobody is doing anything to you or at you when praying in public. it's not about you.

if you disagree, i am happy to agree to disagree,

alasdair
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Area, country, whatever. A country is just a large area really. Excuse the inconsistency.

The whole premise of this thread is that something which is technically legal isn't necessarily desirable or productive.

I wouldn't exercise my legal right to stand outside the Sacred Heart church chanting, because it'd be a nuisance and would achieve nothing but alienating people. The same should apply to any religion, whether it's a Christian street preacher or a bunch of prostrate Muslims.

If you make a point of expressing your religion publicly, then you should be prepared for criticism. But no, we have people in hiding because they offended someone else's religious sensibilities. This is 2026.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Shomrim are neither special nor police. Don't support them, but 'secret police' sounds a bit like an antisemitic canard.

They're basically neighbourhood watch.
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Here's a comparison between the Shomrim agency and the UK met police:

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That's a very police-like 'neighbourhood watch'.
 
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Nobody who's versed in spotting actual police vehicles will mistake that for coppers. Especially people in the areas in which they operate (very limited).

Do you honestly think people are stupid?

The second photo is actual London police by the way. Not Shomrim.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Area, country, whatever. A country is just a large area really.
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sure. but the discussion is about banning something in the u.k. where it's protected by law. then you moved your example to somewhere where the law is different. they're two completely different discussions. i think you know this.

Perkins : Reborn said:
The whole premise of this thread is that something which is technically legal isn't necessarily desirable or productive.
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sure. lots of things which are legal annoy people, or are subjectively undesirable or unproductive. posting about this issue on bluelight is hardly productive, is it? maybe you should be banned?

Perkins : Reborn said:
If you make a point of expressing your religion publicly, then you should be prepared for criticism.
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you, and others here, are free to criticise them, and are demonstrably doing so. but the discussion is about banning it.

Perkins : Reborn said:
because they offended someone else's religious sensibilities
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lol. even you see the irony here, right?

:)

alasdair
 
Please explain the irony, because I don't see it.I've never claimed someone was offending my religious sensibilities. I just don't want people shoving their religion in my face, and in turn I won't shove mine in their faces.

Effectively, you're saying that people should toe the line in whichever country they're in, which would mean that people are banned from being themselves in a country with backward religious laws.Gay? Get in jail.

But you're also approving the actions of people who want to impose their religion on people who would rather do without their backward superstition. Some mental gymnastics right there.

I should be banned? Okay, ban me. I hate Allah, I hate Yahweh, and I hate Jesus. None of them actually exist, but I hate their doctrines.

Is that sufficient for a ban?
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Nobody who's versed in spotting actual police vehicles will mistake that for coppers.
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The photos were for the benefit of people who aren't familiar with shomrim (jewish 'police' aka 'neighbourhood watch'). Specifically comparing a shomrim car with a UK police car. The nickname of shomrim police is quite reasonable imo.
 
I can go up to a member of Shomrim and flop my cock out, and they have zero powers to prosecute me. It's a massive difference.

Shomrim don't have my DNA on file for the crime of smoking a joint.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
I just don't want people shoving their religion in my face
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i think this is the heart of the issue.

there are some people who feel that gay couples holding hands in public are shoving homosexuality in their face. you feel people praying in public are shoving religion in your face. you feel that their act is doing something at or to you when, in reality, it's not about you. at all.

i am repeating myself now so i will just agree to disagree and move on.

alasdair
 
'Shoving' something as natural as sexuality 'in people's faces' is different to imposing something you've been forced to abide by on people who don't share your belief.

If I say Muhammad didn't split the moon in two, I'm going to have limbs (or my head) amputated.

Other religions are available.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
This is pertaining to the current debate about the mass Muslim prayer session in Trafalger square to celebrate the end of Ramadan.

In my opinion, this is a resounding 'yes'.

Prayer, should be a private affair, not a public spectacle with your arses in the air.

I'm personally sick of religion (of all denominations) being forced down my throat.

Do what you want, but do it in private.

Thoughts?
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An extreme YES from me. It IS like an act of domination and would make me extremely uncomfortable. It feels very sinister.
And not JUST because they're Muslim [although when it comes to cults organized religion, I do think Islam is the worst of a bad bunch]; I'd feel uncomfortable if a bunch of Christians did the same thing.
I feel like religion is just constantly shoved down our throats and I am so fucking sick of it. It's literally impossible to escape. You can be watching a film/show or reading a book that has N0THING to do with Religion and then BAM a main character who is a Christian and won't STFU about it ruins the whole thing.
 
alasdairm said:
i think this is the heart of the issue.

there are some people who feel that gay couples holding hands in public are shoving homosexuality in their face. you feel people praying in public are shoving religion in your face. you feel that their act is doing something at or to you when, in reality, it's not about you. at all.

i am repeating myself now so i will just agree to disagree and move on.

alasdair
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But a couple who happen to be same-sex casually holding hands and a mass gathering of people praying together in a public place are two VERY different things.
 
M!$TER-ED said:
freedom of religion and speech are a big deal in the US. Almost as big as gun control. When Christians feel violated such as the Charlie Kirk incident they go to great lengths to settle the score.
However, sometimes religious people make a point of putting themselves on display, maybe to show everyone how religious they are?
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Imagine how bad those religious differences and political differences will get when a bag of flour costs 30 dollars and 10 dollars for a tank of gas, and no one can afford their mortgages anymore. I'll say by that time presidents will be trying to change the constitution and staying in more than 2 terms.
 
My tenth grade biology teacher tried to force me to stand for the pledge of allegiance and I refused. This was back during the Iraq war in the southern US when there was tons of momentum for things like putting the Ten Commandments back in classrooms or even bibles.

Interesting that two decades later the question regarding prayer and such has shifted in this direction.
 
I went to a non-denominational school despite coming from a Catholic family, and we were forced to pray and sing hymns. You were in massive trouble otherwise.

In the end it was just a case of putting your head down, but you could have fun with the hymns. Kum Ba Ya? Kiss My Arse. And so on.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Area, country, whatever. A country is just a large area really. Excuse the inconsistency.

The whole premise of this thread is that something which is technically legal isn't necessarily desirable or productive.

I wouldn't exercise my legal right to stand outside the Sacred Heart church chanting, because it'd be a nuisance and would achieve nothing but alienating people. The same should apply to any religion, whether it's a Christian street preacher or a bunch of prostrate Muslims.

If you make a point of expressing your religion publicly, then you should be prepared for criticism. But no, we have people in hiding because they offended someone else's religious sensibilities. This is 2026.
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I agree completely
Knowone should be above criticism whether justified or not
If not justified then there are consequences for the criticism handed out
Consequences are the key I think
We have free speach but there are always consequences attached to it ,so the term free speach only really applies if you say the correct things society deems non offensive at any particular moment .
 
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