💂‍♂️ UK 💂‍♂️ Why Are Our Hospitals SO TERRIBLE When You Are Opioid-Dependant?

[steewith2ees]

Well, I just got the phone call.

The person I mentioned died in hospital are around 9AM on this day 26th June 2025.

A friend told me that the person wasn't scared of dying, they were only afraid that it would be painful. - I mentioned that the person had maxed out his credit to obtain H from every dealer in the city BECAUSE they did not expect to leave that hospital room upright. So to be fair, they managed to use until just a couple of hours from the end.

One never gets comfortable with such phone calls and as you get older, you inevitably get more of them.

But apparently they had consumed a large volume of oramorph AND smoked some H just before it happened, so I hope they felt no fear and no pain.

Any agreement I may have with Zop's take regarding the NEED for opioids is a discussion for another time - I only feel chiming in due to the main issue being IMO that despite any different views regarding the threads topic should hopefully not detract from the genuine condolences and empathy shared by me and the other regular members that actually still post proactively regarding the loss of your friend/ peer / acquaintance, assuming that your mention of the 26th June was a typo and the 9am you refer to was this or yesterday morning.

I am sorry for what must suck balls for your friends and yourself on this sad day and I hope what sounded like a suffering person is at real peace now xxx

 

[4DQSAR]

@steewith2ees He WAS being given oramorph in spite of double pneumonia. A friend asked 'are you rattling?' amd he repeatedly answered 'no; so at least in this case, he didn't NEED the H for anything physical. I think he just figured he may as well use it ALL.

 

[MellowD]

Hey, sorry, totally did not realize that my post would be that offensive. I am in withdrawal at the moment. I feel all of those ways, and I figured it was a pretty universal feeling. Pretty much only posting after I've taken a benzo to get to sleep, feel talkative, just wanted to share my experience. I'm definitely not an expert and will try and be more conscious if what I'm typing is coming off that way.

You're right though, everyone definitely isn't like that. Just the big majority of people who ended up in the hospital I worked at with "drug seeking behavior" on their chart were like that, and almost every time I went into one of those rooms, it was gonna be a very difficult treatment. The people were sick and so desperate, they'd do anything to feel better. They also generally weren't interested in treatment to get off, just wanted a strong opiate to get rid of withdrawals. These were usually homeless type people with mental illness. And it did end up making the workers jaded, even if that isn't good or fair, whenever they saw anything about drug use in a medical chart.

Anyway, I have some sort of weird social phobia. Any time I say anything, I get this feeling that people are going to think I'm an idiot and an asshole, and I should have never said it. Maybe the thought isn't irrational after all, lol. So I promise, I won't post anymore. I'll just remain a reader.

Please dont let that absolute melt make you feel like this. They think they know it all. They do not.

 

[MellowD]

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

I've been more Dope Sick than you'll ever know & I've never been "desperate, manipulative, aggressive, agitated" with anyone who ISN'T my Dealer.
I love these new accounts that pop up & swing their Dick around, Kid get back in the Line & go write another Jackanory.

Are you having a laugh? You are one nasty piece of work, the way you talk to people on here is disgusting. You think you know it all, and your experience tops everyone else's. Quite why nobody has the cajones to tell you to gtf I do not know. But you come across as an absolute prick.

 

[MellowD]

Know what I'm saying @Shambles he / she comes on here saying how people on gear are " "desperate, manipulative, aggressive, agitated" with people just doing their job like all addicts have no manners or Respect.

People like you, @F.U.B.A.R. & myself are & have been massive Opiate addicts & we are also quite smart, you know what El Topo is for one example (the movie) which says so much, it's easy to make all opiate addicts out to be the stereotype but that isn't correct.

I get very upset when people try to speak for me & make comments about my manners.

And many of us are! If you get so upset, grow up and stop taking it personally.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

How anyone is expected to actually understand what Heroin withdrawl is like WITHOUT DIRECT LIVED EXPERIENCE is a fucking idiots concept.

It's equal to me watching WRC on the telly & reading a few books on how to drive fast then thinking because I have done that I can take a WRC car around the Hills of Wales, we all know how that will end up.

Also the FACT most Heroin addicts are trash doesn't help, we all know the type that stand in Town with cans of £1 Cider in their hand shouting & being a stupid Moron, that is the stereotype & the NHS WILL JUDGE YOU that way.

The part of Junkie by William S Burroughs where his in the Mental Health Unit says it all how Addicts are viewed, also the part with the Jewish Doctor says it all too.
"You are an addict huh, well you'll not get any medicine here"

... I feel called out on the £1 cider. Though I didn't do any random shouting XD

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Are you having a laugh? You are one nasty piece of work, the way you talk to people on here is disgusting. You think you know it all, and your experience tops everyone else's. Quite why nobody has the cajones to tell you to gtf I do not know. But you come across as an absolute prick.

@Shinji Ikari
I read this & to tag you came right to mind.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

... I feel called out on the £1 cider. Though I didn't do any random shouting XD

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

That's the stuff! Only in my case was usually Frosty Jack

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

I've been more Dope Sick than you'll ever know & I've never been "desperate, manipulative, aggressive, agitated" with anyone who ISN'T my Dealer.
I love these new accounts that pop up & swing their Dick around, Kid get back in the Line & go write another Jackanory.

You are being a dick here for no reason.
Seriously, I rather like you; but you are being a dick.

You berated someone else earlier for not having the license to talk about H withdrawal if they've never experienced it, which is fair. But then you seriously wanna pull that same shit by telling a healthcare worker he is somehow 'wrong' about HIS life experience -?

Excuse me, but did you ever work in that specific capacity? Did you ever deal with recalcitrant junkie clients? If not, what emboldens you to basically tell this guy he is lying?

Let me tell you RIGHT NOW that as a former junkie patient who frequently ended up amongst other junkie patients, 'manipulative and aggressive' unfortunately ABSOLUTELY did fit the bill for the majority.

I've witnessed a paramedic who had just administered literally life-saving narcan get punched in the face for 'wasting my money and ruining my high' more than once, despite the obvious fact that if you are passed out cold you are not in a state of being able to enjoy the high and it is YOU who are wasting your own money.

I have also had the dubious privilege of whiny demanding druggie room mates who seemed to think ER was some kind of luxury resort, and the nursing staff your personal lackeys to demand soft drinks / turkey sandwiches / extra blankets from at any and all hours, AND throw a fit about not getting their meds on time when there were people in a literal life-or-death crisis down the corridor.

Some would even threaten staff physically or sexually in case their demands were not complied with.
Which obviously makes it impossible for otherwise decent, opiate-dependent patients to receive adequate pain relief.

YEAH a lot of junkies are scum, and I WAS one, and that's why I don't hesitate to say so. I will also freely admit that I could be a manipulative asshole when trying to secure a fix. I'm ashamed of that. But that is how it was.


You do NOT get to discount somebody else's personal and professional life experience because it doesn't fit your own.

 

[phenethylo J]

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

I've been more Dope Sick than you'll ever know & I've never been "desperate, manipulative, aggressive, agitated" with anyone who ISN'T my Dealer.
I love these new accounts that pop up & swing their Dick around, Kid get back in the Line & go write another Jackanory.

whoa there chap

 

[KurtAurelius]

That's the stuff! Only in my case was usually Frosty Jack

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Eh I have been pretty much maximum dopesick and desperate sure, agitated, absolutely ..... manipulative; no. Probably a luxury of having good ppl skills, resources, and connects (and money of fcking course)

I will say my situation was unusual and I certainly see how a person could get manipulative.

Well I did plan out my wisdom teeth to be pulled on probation -- they did hurt and my dentist had been asking to pull em for years -- felt like only playing the card on the table at the right time to me. I could see it considered manipulative though

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

Please dont let that absolute melt make you feel like this. They think they know it all. They do not.

I think I can take an educated guess as to whom you are referring to, and he is a 'him' on account of, y'know, BEING A MAN.

You can criticise his views without reducing him to some sexless blob.
And yeah I know that's the default virtue signal for people who like to consider themselves ultra-progressive these days.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Yep that is White Cider for you.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Shit. I've been doxed...

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

... Wtf did I just watch.

 

[KurtAurelius]

... Wtf did I just watch.

He’s just a guy from my estate

 

[Uden]

Alcohol is seen as a socially acceptable pastime so of course medical professionals are going to treat patients differently when it comes to an illegal drug and one that is definitely not socially acceptable.

A socially acceptable past-time that just so happens to have killed 3 times as many people as opiates since 1997, if I recall correctly, per the CDC and NIH websites. And if what I've heard is true, alcohol has killed more people as all illicit drugs combined as well, though I'm not sure what the ratio is concerning that comparison.

Just kind of goes to show you it's not the truth that matters, nor is it even the lives lost... it's the herd mentality and being accepted into it.

(Some of the below is in the U.S. only, some if it is world-wide, though I'd assume it's generally the same across the board with a few regional exceptions. Also, I'm not at all shitting on people who enjoy drinking. Just a comparison.)

"Alcohol causes significantly more deaths each year than illicit drugs combined. According to the World Health Organization, alcohol is responsible for roughly 3 million deaths annually worldwide, largely due to chronic diseases (like liver cirrhosis and cancer), injuries, and violence. In contrast, global deaths from illicit drugs are estimated at around 500,000–600,000 per year, meaning alcohol accounts for several times more fatalities overall.
In the United States, data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows a similar pattern: alcohol contributes to approximately 140,000+ deaths annually, while drug overdose deaths (including opioids like fentanyl) are around 100,000+ per year. Despite the heavy attention given to illicit drugs, alcohol’s widespread use and long-term health effects make it one of the leading preventable causes of death."

"Alcohol-related deaths have consistently surpassed opioid-related deaths in the U.S. since 1997, with alcohol causing significantly more fatalities annually. As of 2023, alcohol-related deaths remain higher than opioid-related deaths, with a notable increase in alcohol-related fatalities in recent years."

"Alcohol-related fatalities are significantly higher than opiate-related fatalities, with approximately 178,000 deaths from excessive alcohol use each year compared to around 81,000 deaths from opioid overdoses."

Sources: www.pbs.org , www.caron.org , www.nih.gov , www.cdc.gov , www.drugabusestatistics.org , www.who.int

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

past-time

Think you mean pastime. Past Times is a chain of shops. Or yesterday, last week, a century ago, and so on are past times. Many people get this wrong.