Heroin Is Afghanistan producing heroin again?

[PenguinWithNapalm]

I know that the taliban outlawed growing opium a while back but I’m curious if that ban was ever officially lifted. Obviously people were still growing poppies during the ban but I would guess not many. So what is going on with that these days?

 

[4DQSAR]

Well, I've read the average age of the H found on the streets of the UK is an average of 6 years old.

Trans-shipment nations understand their market and have attempted to maintain the cost and purity over decades. I noted that bulk amounts of H seized in the EU was tested and showed a mean purity of 78%. Now nobody smuggles cut so I suggest the other 22% is in fact 3-monoacetyl morphine, 6-monoacetyl morphine, morphine and possibly papavarine and codeine.

Rise in Afghan opium cultivation reflects economic hardship, despite Taliban ban

Opium cultivation in Afghanistan spiked by 19 per cent in 2024, covering an estimated 12,800 hectares despite a ban imposed by the Taliban, a report released on Wednesday by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) has revealed.

news.un.org

But yes. Many farmers have no alternative crop. Without infrastructure only products with a long shelf-life can possibly be cash products. The soil in some regions means that it would be impossible to subsist on food crops and even in Afghanistan, some basics have to be bought in cash. So I understand that the Afghan-Pakistan boarder area is where cultivation has moved.

 

[PenguinWithNapalm]

Well, I've read the average age of the H found on the streets of the UK is an average of 6 years old.

Trans-shipment nations understand their market and have attempted to maintain the cost and purity over decades. I noted that bulk amounts of H seized in the EU was tested and showed a mean purity of 78%. Now nobody smuggles cut so I suggest the other 22% is in fact 3-monoacetyl morphine, 6-monoacetyl morphine, morphine and possibly papavarine and codeine.

Rise in Afghan opium cultivation reflects economic hardship, despite Taliban ban

Opium cultivation in Afghanistan spiked by 19 per cent in 2024, covering an estimated 12,800 hectares despite a ban imposed by the Taliban, a report released on Wednesday by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) has revealed.

news.un.org

But yes. Many farmers have no alternative crop. Without infrastructure only products with a long shelf-life can possibly be cash products. The soil in some regions means that it would be impossible to subsist on food crops and even in Afghanistan, some basics have to be bought in cash. So I understand that the Afghan-Pakistan boarder area is where cultivation has moved.

Pardon my ignorance but what would the monoacetyl morphine and 6-monoacetyl morphine suggest in this equation?

 

[4DQSAR]

Pardon my ignorance but what would the monoacetyl morphine and 6-monoacetyl morphine suggest in this equation?

Sorry, too nerdy. All are active opioids but all but 6-monoacetyl morphine are less potent than H. Obviously you can see how small amounts of papavarine and codeine could also potentially be present.

Put simply - crude acetylation and/or poor storage.

Hard to know just how much is currently being produced in Afghanistan, but I'm told it's moved and is now more in the Tajik regions. But it seems as if it's anywhere that is essentially tribal with little or no government control that allows poppies to be grown.

 

[PenguinWithNapalm]

Sorry, too nerdy. All are active opioids but all but 6-monoacetyl morphine are less potent than H. Obviously you can see how small amounts of papavarine and codeine could also potentially be present.

Put simply - crude acetylation and/or poor storage.

Hard to know just how much is currently being produced in Afghanistan, but I'm told it's moved and is now more in the Tajik regions. But it seems as if it's anywhere that is essentially tribal with little or no government control that allows poppies to be grown.

Ah I see. So that is 6-MAM right?

 

[4DQSAR]

Correct - 6-MAM is somewhat more potent than H. I don't know exactly how much more potent (it's not huge) but by mass, stronger.

 

[PenguinWithNapalm]

Correct - 6-MAM is somewhat more potent than H. I don't know exactly how much more potent (it's not huge) but by mass, stronger.

And it is a byproduct of the acetylation process right? I know I’ve heard of it being leftover in the process of making black tar because it is kind of a rudimentary process. Some people say it’s actually more euphoric than standard diamorphine

 

[4DQSAR]

And it is a byproduct of the acetylation process right? I know I’ve heard of it being leftover in the process of making black tar because it is kind of a rudimentary process. Some people say it’s actually more euphoric than standard diamorphine

Indeed. If memory serves Wright alone was credited for the first (reasonably pure) synthesis of 3,6-diacetyl morphine (heroin) in 1874 but the original work used glacial acetic acid and is credited to Welsh two decades earlier:

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Now I have no idea how 'black tar' heroin is produced but suggest it's founded on the work of Welsh. The thing is the structure of morphine wasn't known so originally they had some idea of it being a 'double molecule' (?) so they described diamorphine and tetramorphine. It was all quite vague back then.

 

[Keif' Richards]

They will start producing poppies again. The Taliban, despite their seemingly-conservative nature, are just as corrupt as those that came before. There is no such thing as no corruption in a country like Afghanistan. They are all up on their high-horse and wanted to put on a show. Much like when I told my College gf I was quitting Heroin for good, flushing it all down the toilet in a moment of sheer love and honesty, only to leave to get more Heroin once I got my first twinge of withdrawal, they are going to freak out once they realize they have fucked up.

It's not as if they have a ton of other shit to sell anybody, anywhere. Their economy, for better or for worse, is specialized both agriculturall/ecologically and now, economically.

If you ask me, I would shoot from the hip and say they never actually ended production during their recent takeover. They wouldn't if they had any sense. I think @4DQSAR is correct that they're growing a lot more along the border areas.

Pakistan's government is on the brink of complete collapse. Afghanistan collapsed a long time ago. As conditions worsen in the modern world, they will likely revert more and more to the sale of Opium and more recently, they produce quite a bit of Methamphetamine as well. There is no way that they will choose principles over food.

 

[yubacity]

They will start money is king and thsnk fuck it is

 

[PenguinWithNapalm]

They will start producing poppies again. The Taliban, despite their seemingly-conservative nature, are just as corrupt as those that came before. There is no such thing as no corruption in a country like Afghanistan. They are all up on their high-horse and wanted to put on a show. Much like when I told my College gf I was quitting Heroin for good, flushing it all down the toilet in a moment of sheer love and honesty, only to leave to get more Heroin once I got my first twinge of withdrawal, they are going to freak out once they realize they have fucked up.

It's not as if they have a ton of other shit to sell anybody, anywhere. Their economy, for better or for worse, is specialized both agriculturall/ecologically and now, economically.

If you ask me, I would shoot from the hip and say they never actually ended production during their recent takeover. They wouldn't if they had any sense. I think @4DQSAR is correct that they're growing a lot more along the border areas.

Pakistan's government is on the brink of complete collapse. Afghanistan collapsed a long time ago. As conditions worsen in the modern world, they will likely revert more and more to the sale of Opium and more recently, they produce quite a bit of Methamphetamine as well. There is no way that they will choose principles over food.

Yeah my very first thought was “…and how are they going to keep what’s left of their economy afloat”

 

[4DQSAR]

I only mentioned that Tajik tribal regions because the Balkans are the main trans-shipment nations now Iran has at least officially begun policed smuggling more (visibly). Usbekistan and the Usbek tribal area of Afghanistan could just as easily be involved but it seems that that the economy of Usbekistan is in a slightly better state so people aren't pushed into the heroin business out of necceccity quite as readily.

I'm pretty sure China has a bigger heroin problem than it admits and a map will show that the Tajik tribal regions do boarder China thus product can find multiple markets.

Pakistan is also a sizable trans-shipment nation and a few examples of peoples of Pakistani descent were using connections to have H posted (yes, you read that correctly) from Pakistan. Obviously not on a huge scale, but prices in the UK means the income can feed a lot of family still IN Pakistan.

 

[junkieXxx]

Efedra bitkisinden saf meth üretiyorlar haşhaş ikinci üçüncü planda

 

[Dextro .45]

20 years ago Afghanistan produced 80% of the worlds opium poppies

The “Golden Triangle” easily produced the most purest professionally synthesized Diacetylmorphine HCL , White China …..the GI’s in Vietnam were injecting 90%+ pure Heroin ……the picture online of the “king of Heroin” based out of Myanmar Burma ….by Loas, Cambodia, Vietnam etc had THOUSANDS of 1,000 gram bricks looking like premium Cheese with a Red stamp logo on each key

Turkey currently manufactures all the opium poppies (Papavier Somniferum) for the Pharmaceutical Industry. They ship the raw opium alkaloids directly to Purdue Pharma, Mallinkroft Pharma, etc in which they purify and synthesize the particular opiate “in-house” in their professional state of the art laboratories

theBaine synthasized into Oxycodone HCL
Morphine into Diacetylmorphine (Heroin/Diamorphine)
Dilaudid (Hydromorphone)
Morphine Sulphate etc, etc

Turkish Opium has the highest opium narcotic content ever …of the alkaloid Morphine, Codiene, theBaine, Papavier, etc ……Afghanistan opium 8-10% Morphine / Turkish opium 13-17% Morphine content through selective breeding etc

A DEA posted study showed raw purified morphine base, reacted with Acetic Anhydride to produce 3,6 Diacetylmorphine Hydrochloride (Heroin) tested at 74.6% purity from two cooks in a crude lab in Afghanistan

Diamorphine 5/10/30/100/500mg Pharmaceutical vials for IV/IM/SC injection are 100% pure Diacetylmorphine HCL

SWISS Manufactured Diaphin manufactures a 10 gram glass jar of 100% pure Diacetylmorphine Hydrochloride for injection

Sandoz Canada manufactures a tiny 10ml glass vial of an AMAZING product
Hydromorphone HP FORT 1,000mg / 10ml ——- (100mg HM / per ml)
Professional Dilaudid designed for IV injection ….not crushed up pills

An entire GRAM 1,000mg of Hydromorphone in a super tiny glass 10ml vial …….OMG

Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) & Diacetylmorphine (Heroin) are nearly indistinguishable when IV administered to study participants…..HM slightly more potent then Diamorphine….slightly

PF OxyContin 40/80/160mg tablets X 100,000 tablets each and 100kg of pure API compounding powder
Methadone 100kg massive blue plastic drum full of pure API compounding powder

Plus 100kg each of Diazepam, Alprazolam, Diclazepam, Methylphenidate (Ritalin) d-Amphetamine (Dexedrine) d-Methamphetamine (Desoxyn), Pregabalin (Lyrica), Avizafone (Pro-Dazepam)


I want every single CII Controlled Substance ever synthesized in my mansions basement secure walk-in vault next to prepper vault

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) & Diacetylmorphine (Heroin) are nearly indistinguishable when IV administered to study participants…..HM slightly more potent then Diamorphine….slightly

I don't understand how this could be true. Everyone I know that IVed said hydromorphone was like doing crack. All rush and no legs. Surely if they waited 10-15 minutes an avid user of opioids would be able to tell the difference. People that shoot dilaudid go back in their veins almost as often as people shooting cocaine.

 

[4DQSAR]

20 years ago Afghanistan produced 80% of the worlds opium poppies

The “Golden Triangle” easily produced the most purest professionally synthesized Diacetylmorphine HCL , White China …..the GI’s in Vietnam were injecting 90%+ pure Heroin ……the picture online of the “king of Heroin” based out of Myanmar Burma ….by Loas, Cambodia, Vietnam etc had THOUSANDS of 1,000 gram bricks looking like premium Cheese with a Red stamp logo on each key

Indeed. I can remember 'Tiger Brand', 'Rice Brand' and several others where the bricks of H had a gold-leaf logo on them. I think those all came from the Shan states. The logo actually representing a specific warlord so that at least within Myanmar, anyone considering ripping off a buyer would KNOW who would come after them to retrieve the H and/or demonstrate what happens to people who steal from warlords.

SE Asian H does still exist and is primarily shipped to Australasia but from time to time it finds its way to Europe. It sells for anything from £100-£120 because being diamorphine hydrochloride, it can be snorted, smoked (that's why caffeine is added) or injected without the need to add an acid to make it soluable.

I note that due to the various instabilities within Myanmar, heroin production has doubled over the last two decades.

I seem to recall David McMillan noting that if you seek to find opium production, find a war. We forget that the opium poppy can be grown even in Europe. The primary reason why it was legally grown in places like India was because farmers can produce two crops per annum.

 

[SotPoker1012]

It's my understanding that synthesizing methamphetamine is a bigger thing in Afghanistan than growing and processing opium these days.

 

[4DQSAR]

It's my understanding that synthesizing methamphetamine is a bigger thing in Afghanistan than growing and processing opium these days.

Quite likely. As far as I know the Afghan government hasn't issued a fatwa on growing the various plants that yield ephedrine.

 

[Dextro .45]

I though those Mexican cartels manufacture most of the illicit d- Desoxyephedrine

Cocaine you need the Coca leaf which only grows in few countries Columbia, Peru, Bolivia

The Ephedra shrub (just like Coca & Opium poppies) dating back 5,000+ years …..most amazing compounds produced naturally by Mother Nature …..how lucky we are in our precious blue marble in the Milky Way that we can natural plants such as Cannabis, Psilocybin, Coca, Caffeine, Nicotine, Khat shrub, Ephedra shrub, Papiver Somniferum (opium poppy) …..we can leave the rest to modern pharmacology to extract and isolate these valuable alkaloids in their water soluble hydrochloride salts for IV injection

Anyways ……Mexican cartels know the ease of reduction of Ephedrine to d-Desoxyephedrine HCL (Methamphetamine) ….cheaper than Cocaine, can easily be synthesized anywhere in discreet professional labs with massive amounts of Ephedrine and required precursor chemicals + highly skilled chemists

Not some tweaker in the US with a 2litre coke bottle doing “shake & bake”

Ovation Pharmaceuticals currently manufactures Methamphetamine Hydrochloride USP 5mg tablets under the trade name DESOXYN as everyone is aware of Im sure. In safe therapeutic doses 5-25mg daily Methedrine is actually safer than Benzedrine or Dexedrine …..much lower doses have same effects of hi Adderall doses without the cardiovascular danger in highly elevated HR & BP of Amphetamines……Methylamphetamine 5-10mg would be the Smooothest dopaminergic stimulant with a long duration of action…..eventually metabolising into d-Amphetamine

Ritalin (Methylphenidate) is my favourite dopaminergic stimulant which is the safest by far, yet very effective as an “Inverse Agonists” identical to Cocaine both competing for the same binding sites in the CNS. Ritalin is actually close to double the potency of Cocaine (ED-50)

….although Cocaine has the ideal monoamine selectivity, extremely euphoric antidepressant + analgesic properties
Cocaine - DAT>SERT>>NET
Ritalin - DAT > NET

Regarding Pharma Diamorphine…..those cardboard boxes with 5 vials of Diamorphine are desirable in 5/10/30 caution opioid tolerant patients only, and the blue 100mg and red 500mg vials….my lord. An entire half gram of pharmaceutical grade Diacetylmorphine in a single shot …..you can google and pics online. The blue 100mg still a fat dose but nothing a long term, high dose user couldn’t handle

I’m still mostly impressed with Sandoz Canada Hydromorphone HP FORT 1,000mg in 10ml glass vial. Shit man, draw up even half of a 1 ml syringe and that’s 50mg of pure Dilaudid for IV administration. 500 newly manufactured vials stored in a cold dark dry storage

It’s like porn to me…..looking at all the pics on google of these colourful capsules and branded tablets lol, drug porn, food porn, gun porn, real porn, ……looking at these Pharma vials for IV/IM/SC administration released dopamine inside my CNS no doubt…..then I’ll run off into my massive gun vault to grab a few CII controlled substances (legally prescribed) ha ha ……..ahhhhh my oral Brompton Cocktail .

Would be “last meal” with a strong drink and premium Belmont king sized cigarette…..after C-max has been achieved and I’m fckn faded in a pleasant euphoric state of pain free bliss, warm & content, happy and anxiety free…..enjoying my stiff drink taking deep hauls from my premium cigarette

 

[SotPoker1012]

Quite likely. As far as I know the Afghan government hasn't issued a fatwa on growing the various plants that yield ephedrine.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1140597

This has a little information about methamphetamine in Afghanistan if you're interested. Not a perfect source but I do tend to believe them on this, it makes economic sense.

I though those Mexican cartels manufacture most of the illicit d- Desoxyephedrine

That's certainly the case in North America. I believe Afghan meth largely ends up in the Islamic world and Europe.