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You don't have to believe in God, God believes in You.

So you do see what I’m saying?

This world has gone officially nuts. I mean…the way people have been acting is shady as hell! What some people seem to be ok with is literally depraved. It’s just hard for me to mentally process that.
 
I personally don't believe in demon possession but done my fair share of research in demonolgy. Thing is I have always known since I was a wee lass,just because I don't believe in something does not make it true.I believe people and the world are beautiful yet there you have it.Does not make it true.There have always been horrors and maybe always will be.I too have difficulty processing evils of unspeakable nature that's shoved in my face on the daily.
 
Yeah but what’s being done to children. There’s just been a lot lately
 
Kellsee said:
Yeah but what’s being done to children. There’s just been a lot lately
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Exactly,my spirits have never really been up high lately,my thoughts go to them.Hard not to unsee it,difficult living in gratitude when they suffer and no end in sight.
 
Robi said:
Exactly,my spirits have never really been up high lately,my thoughts go to them.Hard not to unsee it,difficult living in gratitude when they suffer and no end in sight.
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The thought of no end in sight use to be really hard for me. It still gets to me. But I also know that there’s things that I can’t possibly understand right now. But I am glad for things like DID even tho a lot of people think that’s a mental illness. It’s not. It’s so you can mentally leave the room and come back when it’s over.
 
Robi said:
Yes Lord Preach GIF
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the church I attend with my pastor says that I want to go up a strangle him
 
Kellsee said:
But also I think people often confuse the difference between confession and repentance. Religion focuses on your sin. Relationship focuses on your faith. Confession is a sin issue. Repentance is a faith issue. I think it’s unrepentance that opens the doors to the demonic.

Have you ever noticed that there’s a conversation that ensues in your head right after you’ve done something you believe is wrong like after you’ve sinned?? It’s a conversation about the sin. And it doesn't matter whether you overcame the temptation or fell to it. Imo what matters is if you believe the lie that follows the sin.

Let’s say for example…that you believe gambling is a sin and now a demon is tempting you to go gamble. The demon will tempt you to go gamble and if you fall to the sin and go gamble the demon will be in your head saying “too bad you fell to that sin cause now you're condemned because you are of course…condemned by your sin”. That’s the biggest lie the enemy wants you to believe!! The Bible says there's now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ. Paul said wherever sin abounds…grace abounds that much more. Jesus told the woman “I do not condemn you." Paul said all things are now permissible. But after that statement, there's always a second statement. All things are permissible…but not all things are beneficial. Wherever sin abounds grace abounds that much more. But should you sin that grace abound… by no means….you are not condemned but go and sin no more. You have to be able to accept that your sin is not the issue in order to step into faith because you can't go and sin no more if you think you're already condemned by sin. And so it’s like ironically…once you realize that you're free to sin you'll be free from sin. I’m not condoning sin. This is just how I’m processing these scriptures so that I can work on overcoming the sin.

But see for the people that resisted and overcame the temptation to go gamble and did not sin the same utility still exists. The demon can still sell them on the same lie. And this lie slips in much easier in this situation cause it bolsters up pride. The demon can say “Hey great job! Good thing you didn't sin because you would have been condemned because of course you're condemned by sin”. In both cases the lie is told and believed. And so…in both cases unrepentance is achieved. It becomes a faith issue…like the rock in the field in the parable of the sower. In the first case the person fell to sin and now they should confess that they sinned but they still have an unrepentant issue. In the second case the person didn't fall to sin so they don't need to confess but they still did accept the faith issue and now have to repent. In both cases, repentance means to change your mind. Change your mind about sin. It's not about sinning or not sinning. It's about what you believe about the sin. If you keep going further and further down this road of overcoming moral dilemmas but believing the lie about the sin you just end up a Catholic.
You end up more concerned with your morality in this life more than with your salvation in the next. You’re focusing on the waves more than on Jesus. This is what Jesus is telling Peter. And this is because of course there are two ways to get into heaven. You could live a completely perfect moral life as Jesus alone accomplished and you could get into heaven on your own perfection. But since this is absolutely impossible because every single one of us has fallen short of the glory of God…this route is barred for all of us. And so the only option is to hide inside of the one who did satisfy this requirement. And that of course is Jesus Christ. Jesus is the only way. He's like the VPN that we're encrypted inside to transfer to the server of heaven.

It’s not like no one’s really gonna read this far. So Idk why I just wasted all of that time typing all of that….all of y’all can just kiss my ass lol❤️😉
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nah I read it all

I like the metaphor. I tend to think humanity is bad and we are just another animal.

To resist sin is to resist your more base animal instincts (in most cases) and be that god or a conscience -- it is IMPORTANT.

People who do not resist sin or have that internal monologue or repentance -- Continue acting like a brutish animal without ever second guessing where that may lead them. (Usually to a group of like minded brutish animals) Hell?

So not a fan of the presto change-o deathbed repentance? Best part of being a catholic! (JP of course) -- its the exorcism movies!

"When you lie to yourself you not only give the devil a voice; but a stage and audience as well"
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
nah I read it all

I like the metaphor. I tend to think humanity is bad and we are just another animal.

To resist sin is to resist your more base animal instincts (in most cases) and be that god or a conscience -- it is IMPORTANT.

People who do not resist sin or have that internal monologue or repentance -- Continue acting like a brutish animal without ever second guessing where that may lead them. (Usually to a group of like minded brutish animals) Hell?

So not a fan of the presto change-o deathbed repentance? Best part of being a catholic! (JP of course) -- its the exorcism movies!

"When you lie to yourself you not only give the devil a voice; but a stage and audience as well"
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We are born with a carnal nature that’s driven by innate instincts that are designed to ensure our survival. Animals are driven by similar instincts but they don’t have moral agency. We do. We are able to choose between right or wrong and good or evil.

I think you are basically agreeing with me right? I’m sorry lol I wanna make sure I’m understanding you too

Most people think that God is disappointed in them. When they look in the mirror they don’t see the person that God sees when He looks at them. They don’t know how much they already mean to Him.

Regardless if you believe in Him or not…this is how God already feels about you…

You are chosen and hand picked (1 Peter 2:9, Jeremiah 1:5)
You are treasured (Deut 7:6, 26:18)
You are irreplaceable (1 Thess 1:4)
You are precious to Him (Isaiah 43:4)
You are loved beyond compare (1 John 4:9, Romans 5:8)
You are worth dying for (1 John 3:16)
You are set apart (John 15:16, 1 Peter 2:9)
You are His child (1 John 3:1, Galatians 3:26)

This is your identity in Christ. Just think about that for a minute

No matter what happens….no matter what anyone else says or thinks about you…it’s who you are to God
 
Yes I am basically agreeing with you ... certainly on the carnal nature driven by innate instincts.

The question of "What is god" I believe we may have slightly different opinions -- I do not necessarily think the only way to heaven / a higher plane of existence post death is acceptance of christ...Im lookin at that more metaphorically

but on the whole it was an agreement
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
I do not necessarily think the only way to heaven / a higher plane of existence post death is acceptance of christ...
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We hear all the time: “Jesus is the only way to heaven” or “No one will be saved without knowing Jesus.”

But is that really what He said? Well, not quite.

At least, that’s not what Jesus meant when He said: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me…” (John 14:6)

Now, most of us have been told that this is what Jesus means to say in this verse, but a careful study of the entire chapter reveals something a bit different.
First of all, this statement is in response to the question asked by Thomas, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?”
That’s why Jesus said, “I am the way…”

The way to where? The way to where He is going.

Where is Jesus going? He’s going to the Father. So, this entire chapter is about coming to the Father, not about going to Heaven after we die.

After this, Jesus goes on to explain that if you’ve seen Him, you’ve also seen the Father. So, the entire point of the conversation is about knowing the Father. Notice also that Jesus provides some evidence for us that the Father is in Him, and that He is in the Father: His works. Then notice that Jesus immediately pivots to emphasize that, if we trust in Him we will also do the same works He has been doing.

Why is that important? Because the works that Jesus does are evidence that the Father is in Him. So, the works that we do are also evidence that Jesus (and the Father) are in us. The whole conversation is about coming to the Father, and what it means to be in Christ, and about Jesus going to “prepare a place for (us)”, so that where Jesus is, we may also be. So, if we keep reading in this same chapter we will notice that Jesus reemphasizes this same idea over and over again:
“In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in Me, and I in you.” (v.20) “And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. You know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.” (v. 16-17)

The point is: Jesus is going to the Father. This is what He’s talking about in the beginning of the chapter. The disciples get confused, so Jesus explains that He is going to the Father, and He is the way to the Father because the Father is in Him, and the plan is for us to have the Father – and Jesus – living in us so that “where They are We may also be.”

So, where is Jesus? Jesus is with the Father. (v. 12; 28) And where is the Father? He, and Jesus, have now come to make their home in you and in me. (v. 23) Notice that Jesus says, in the previous chapter, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” (John. 13:36)

That’s what sets up the conversation in chapter 14 about where Jesus is going, why, and how we can also follow Him to the place He is going (to be with the Father).
So, this idea of being with the Father, and abiding in Christ, (who abides in us and in the Father), is something we can all experience right now
Note: Jesus is not talking about where we go after we die. Jesus is talking about how we can know Him, and the Father, before we die!

That’s quite a significant difference.

citation:
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
We hear all the time: “Jesus is the only way to heaven” or “No one will be saved without knowing Jesus.”

But is that really what He said? Well, not quite.

At least, that’s not what Jesus meant when He said: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me…” (John 14:6)

Now, most of us have been told that this is what Jesus means to say in this verse, but a careful study of the entire chapter reveals something a bit different.
First of all, this statement is in response to the question asked by Thomas, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?”
That’s why Jesus said, “I am the way…”

The way to where? The way to where He is going.

Where is Jesus going? He’s going to the Father. So, this entire chapter is about coming to the Father, not about going to Heaven after we die.

After this, Jesus goes on to explain that if you’ve seen Him, you’ve also seen the Father. So, the entire point of the conversation is about knowing the Father. Notice also that Jesus provides some evidence for us that the Father is in Him, and that He is in the Father: His works. Then notice that Jesus immediately pivots to emphasize that, if we trust in Him we will also do the same works He has been doing.

Why is that important? Because the works that Jesus does are evidence that the Father is in Him. So, the works that we do are also evidence that Jesus (and the Father) are in us. The whole conversation is about coming to the Father, and what it means to be in Christ, and about Jesus going to “prepare a place for (us)”, so that where Jesus is, we may also be. So, if we keep reading in this same chapter we will notice that Jesus reemphasizes this same idea over and over again:
“In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in Me, and I in you.” (v.20) “And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. You know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.” (v. 16-17)

The point is: Jesus is going to the Father. This is what He’s talking about in the beginning of the chapter. The disciples get confused, so Jesus explains that He is going to the Father, and He is the way to the Father because the Father is in Him, and the plan is for us to have the Father – and Jesus – living in us so that “where They are We may also be.”

So, where is Jesus? Jesus is with the Father. (v. 12; 28) And where is the Father? He, and Jesus, have now come to make their home in you and in me. (v. 23) Notice that Jesus says, in the previous chapter, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” (John. 13:36)

That’s what sets up the conversation in chapter 14 about where Jesus is going, why, and how we can also follow Him to the place He is going (to be with the Father).
So, this idea of being with the Father, and abiding in Christ, (who abides in us and in the Father), is something we can all experience right now
Note: Jesus is not talking about where we go after we die. Jesus is talking about how we can know Him, and the Father, before we die!

That’s quite a significant difference.

citation:
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Quite a significant difference -- but not the most common interpretation unfortunately. You are educated and shit lol
 
I have inside information that everything is out to get me, plants, animals, bugs, Jeffrey Dahmer. Also I think God only mildly cares.
 
I am just a sack of flesh but it’s part of a conceivable whole.

Better to try be good, I’ve seen plenty to see how energy transfers positively.

How the earth is a mother etc.

Going to far with it misses the point of helping people and making things better.

Idk, I’m a low level part of an eternal system, and I am basically biological waste.
 
KurtAurelius said:
Better to try be good, I’ve seen plenty to see how energy transfers positively.
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This. Things seem to work out doing as good as possible/reasonable.

Do I know they would have worked out differently if I was a big of a dick as possible? I suppose not but if I was a magic 8 ball (I'd snort myself) I would say all signs point to yes
 
Paragraphs and pages. Naysayers and mystic sages. But not a god damned shred of evidence. For or against.

Give me one reason I should consider the question if there isn’t any evidence for or against.

What use is belief in god if the evidence says believing in god correlates to viewpoints associated with bigotry and a general lack of critical thinking.

For or against. Evidence.

Without evidence

I will yield judgement until such point as I have cause to know
And thus

I surrender the compulsion to believe

However human that may be.
 
Concerning the whole Jesus/Father thing. I come to personally believe that Jesus, Buddha, and the others are all the same savior figure coming back over and over again for the whole sacrifice for our sins/karma narrative. Like it's always the same story just the characters change and appeal to whatever culture the story is from.

I've noticed most of them say the same thing about finding salvation/heaven/peace "through me". To me it seems they aren't saying they want to you follow them/worship them. They instead wants you to become like them. To find what they found on their own. They also usually say they're one-in-the-same with the "higher power"/God/whatever. To me that's basically the same thing as saying "I have become like a God".

Which is the main fear about the whole Garden of Eden/origin story (again, same story different characters/settings depending on original culture/religion with this savior story). The existing God/Gods were terrified that we had "become like them" and that we "shouldn't also learn this other knoweldge".

Now since the son/father are one in the same. That would also mean he's your "father". Now I think to myself: What does a father wish for his son to do? The best answer I can come up with would be: A father wants his sons to do better than he did. He wants them to go off on their own and create. But one thing he'd never want is for his son to live in his basement forever. He'd want him to create his own home/family.

It's the same story over and over again. What I get from it is this: You try to be like the "holy men" (Jesus, Buddha and the others) to find your own peace. Then hopefully when you die you could take what you learned here and go on to make something better. Maybe you get some choices like reincarnation here/elsewhere vs. going on to make your own world aka becoming god-like, maybe something in between. But assuming that's true there is a good chance you'll probably get tested and tricked at the moment of death. Since there are so many evil people here in this place there must be some in the next. I'm sure they take advantage of new comers.

I'm rambling: My greater point is this. Living like a good person here and some training (meditation and such) is probably a good idea. It would certainly make society more civil. I don't think it's important to debate which religion/sect/cult's interpretation is correct. Follow the general "be good" and "be chill" message and you're good to go. Oh and keep in mind there are those that think the "evil" path is better and follow that. Just how it is (they think they've doing us a favor by "getting it over with").

As far as atheists vs. those that believe in after life. Well that's just down to faith. Some people just haven't seen anything to make them believe yet. That's okay. All in due time. Everyone is on their own path.
 
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