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You don't have to believe in God, God believes in You.

Simple question, why are you pushing omnicyclion?

If you examine Omnicyclion, you will see that it encourages spiritual autonomy and is highly empowering to people and it stresses time and time again that it is about you honing your beliefs and that we seek to create Leaders, not followers, entirely independent of Omnicyclion, which is just a step up towards not seeking answers outside yourself but Within, and to let nothing or no one, Omnicyclion and I included, get in between that.

I want to help people make the world a better place. That is the life mission the Divine Within gave me, and my whole life is in service of that, of using my inner quest which has cost me most enjoyment that could be had out of my life, in favor of higher learning and helping others.

This is for the greater good, I have suffered very hard for it, seek no recognition for it nor do I want to make a buck off it. Amost all publications are available as free no-strings-attached versions under a pen name to take me as a person out of the picture, avoid all hero worship and make it 100% about the reader and their personal relationship with the Universe. I seek for them to intensify and personalize that relationship and escape dependence on cults, pastors, external power structures and accept the Living Word from within over any dusty old book, mine included.

I advocate Omnicyclion because it has set me free and it has the potential to set others free and mobilize them toward the Sacred Duty of helping those around them as best they can.

That is why.
 
This sounds a lot like a cult. Making promises too good to be true. What is the origin of your belief, where did it come from? If this is real, why isn't more mainstream and why am I hearing about now in this forum?

That is the life mission the Divine Within gave me, isn't the "Divine within" another way of saying this belief came from within you? What made you "the chosen one"?

I have suffered very hard for it. How have you suffered?

Living Word from within? This is not unlike the concept everyone has within him/her a higher consciousness of divine awareness or god like thinking of which I agree, however, spiritual or religious study is not a prerequisite to attain higher consciousness. This is what I'm having trouble accepting, you are saying follow your belief and you will be rewarded? Is that a guarantee on your part?
If I follow the steps you present, and I don't have a similar experience, does that mean I failed or I didn't do it correctly?

You are making claims, based on your experience, which may or may not have the same impact on other people.

Can you explain?
 
You are not doing your part. You are having me spoonfeed you answers you can find by looking into the material yourself, but you let me spoonfeed what you want but refuse to chew or swallow it, let it fall out of your mouth and continue asking square-one questions.

You're being passive aggressive man, what i describe is something that liberates people from cult-like thought but you want to frame it as a cult cause that sits better with you.

You can let the unchewed foods flop out of your mouth, I refuse to take part in this. If you want to find answers, go look into what this Omnicyclion thing is and engage your mind with it.

I'm not going to try change a made-up mind like i owe you explanations. You are playing retard and i'm not going to indulge that.

If you think I'm jim jones better not drink my kool-aid. I know this noncooperative debating style and you can choke on it.
 
To be honest, I don't feel good about promoting personal spiritual beliefs in a public forum in the manner in which you have. Although I cannot specifically attest to why I feel this way, other than it doesn't feel right.
Perhaps my conflict is in your view of divine within? Whereas my view not divine at all but an unrealized consciousness that anyone can access without god given the circumstances that reveals or crosses over into new consciousness.

We may be speaking the same language in terms of accessing unused portents of the brain? However, your explanation relies on mysticism and the mystery of omnicyclion as a means of access.

This is only speculation on my part because I have not read of studied information about Ominicyclion enough to fully understand it. I'm too tired at this time to explain my views on god but I will say, I do not believe god has super powers or any other attributes given to him according to christian beliefs.
 
"You don't have to believe in god but god believes in you!" Always felt kind of more threatening than comforting.

maybe im the odd one out.....Kinda feels like "Worship me or burn" if you read in between the lines....but I was raised catholic

I dont know what the omniclion(Sp) thing is but it sounds alright for me
 
To be honest, I don't feel good about promoting personal spiritual beliefs in a public forum in the manner in which you have.

What have I been doing? I have a unique experience that has shaped my life, that I spent a lifetime exploring, which cost me great difficulty but which also yielded me great rewards, rewards that I want others to reach for themselves without the excruciating journey that comes with it. I have picked the sweetest fruits of my labor, i have put them in readily accessible baskets, and anyone who wants them can grab free unlimited copies thereof for themselves and if they like what they see, for their loved ones.

The writings are all about dethroning me as some sort of authority, and about not seeking external validation in other people or books, even explicitly the very books I offer for free themselves - but to look internally for guidance, for the highest part in you and letting that guide you. I stress that this is the Divine Within, that not just everybody possesses, but that we are all in fact one and the same Being experiencing itself through all possible lives: the Universe itself. Most of us repress this inner Higher Self as inconsequential because they don't feel they hold anything of supreme value, that they are some crooked pearl-less oyster in a cold hostile sea.

Perhaps my conflict is in your view of divine within? Whereas my view not divine at all but an unrealized consciousness that anyone can access without god given the circumstances that reveals or crosses over into new consciousness. (..) This is only speculation on my part because I have not read of studied information about Ominicyclion enough to fully understand it

Look, i'm gonna say this with playful kind irreverence, some nun touched your weewee when you were little, or you had to go through some horrible sunday school or whatever aversive experience you had that turned you away from feeling OK about Divinity and now random believers, andf 80% of the worlds population are believers, are forced to pay the price of having to deal with your issues with how God was forced on you by people who no doubt violated you to an important extent in doing so. Kindly said with friendly tongue-in-cheek metaphor. You come across as traumatized spiritually by believers in a God and therefore you are difficult towards believers of an entirely different denomination, wanting to prevent them from explaining their views and not getting into their shit to find out what they are about, but accusing them of being cult leaders trying to park their collossal egos on a golden pillow raised high above everybody else in their selfinflation.

This religion abuse and the social and spiritual abuse that comes with it is exactly what Omnicyclion is an antidote for. You do NOT have to be saved, no one EVER is damned for eternity, no one is any less or better that anyone or anything else, and we are in fact versions of one another that are absolutely essential for one another to even exist, want without exactly you as you truly are the Totality of Everything would be incomplete and therefore not exist for any of us. Even on a mere grain of red sand on earth pivots crucially the existance of everyone and everything for all eternity. You are everyone and everything, and therefore a guise of the Almighty, you are on an eternal journey through all our lives -being us completely- in the neverending story that is the true nature of the Multiverse, and if Putin sends a soldier to empty out a kalashnikov into you while simultaneously hydrogen bombing your exact location - you are dead in that life, but completely safe from any harm, and cannot be kept from your eternal destiny of being each of us in every way forever. And no person or book should get inbetween your personal relationship with your innermost highest self and if cults of any kinds try to distract you from that you should shut them out and go your own way, most especially if that person is me. THAT is Omnicyclion.

I'm too tired at this time to explain my views on god

You are too tired to listen to mine but judge and condemn me as some kind of cult leader trying to addict you to illusions and drain your wallet while trying to fondle your cunt.
That is a bit unfair towards me. <3

I am not the one who violated you in the name of God, I am the one risking my life getting gunned down by religious extremists by trying to liberate your mind by offering free explanations, which explicitly are a whetstone to sharpen your own beliefs on by offering as contrasting profile that forces you to reexamine your often sunconsciously adopted beliefs about reality limiting your functioning, explicitly without accepting my version as the truth or seeing me as some kind of savior in some lazy attemt to be a wagon latching onto me instead pf being your own locomotive for you and your loved ones autonomously to improve the world at large, in your niche, in a way that is more authentically yours because you have consciously reassessed and reranked your core beliefs by comparing them to something radically different that is free or inducing artificial external dependencies.

Please reread this. I put a ton of effort in being very clear in what I say for your sake, not mine. As a friend, to help you help yourself, like a friend would.

"You don't have to believe in god but god believes in you!" Always felt kind of more threatening than comforting.
maybe im the odd one out.....Kinda feels like "Worship me or burn" if you read in between the lines....but I was raised catholic


God in Catholicism, in Catechism as read on Vatican.va says that if you don't believe in God you will be erased.

God in Omnicyclianism says: "I like you to believe in me but I do not require it. No one is damned for eternity,no one is erased or given up on or has to do things to be saved, you all are Me, and each of you is essential to all of us, therefore not even the gas man of Auschwitz or Christianity's Satan himself is without redemption, absolution and complete repatriation with all things forgiven, not just by Me but by all of us, well before the end of this big bang and the beginning of the next. But from what I tell you here it is loud and clear that any harm you bring on another you are literally bringing on yourself in another life and every good thing you do for anyone or a lost hedgehog on the road, you are doing for yourself, so it is therefore in your selfinterest that we bring out the LSD and put away the Zyklon B. Don't pray to Me - if you want to please Me help anyone in your reach who needs it. I am he, and you are me, remember? To work! Stop talking about Jesus and start doing good LIKE Jesus, and you will notice I will start doing you favors that have nothing to do with random statistical chance until it starts getting ridiculous what happens to you, Asante is already in that stage and that puts the spring in his step! Since the world is hyping against Islsm and bombing it, kindly watch this Nasheed with the English subtitles activated to get a look into their world - I am the God of All Things so obviously I am also Allah, so kindly be ecumenical and empathic towards where the bombs are falling right now.."

 
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^This feels oddly close to what I have always believed.

A god that shuns you for not worshipping him -- or choosing the wrong "brand" of god seems pretty far fetched to me.

"What you listened to your parents and your culture, you never even heard of Jesus, well condemnation!!" I dont know if I wanna chill with that god

If you check the "Things that make you believe" I feel like it is a bit in line with the omnicylclianism view of 'just keep doing positive things and pretty soon the amount of positive things that happen to you feels like astronomical odds' (paraphrased, sorry)
 
I'm done with this conversation

Sorry to offend, I hope you'll revisit this sometime to get a second opinion.

A god that shuns you for not worshipping him -- or choosing the wrong "brand" of god seems pretty far fetched to me.

God does not have an inferiority complex and knows the reasons people dont believe in Him to them are compelling, and He gave them to them, and is them. so to damn them would be a bit weird and contrary to being defined by love and charity.

paraphrased, sorry

Your paraphrase is your original version of your understanding of what you just read, and it is correct, so thank you for processing what was said and offering your interpretation of it. Thank you!
 
It's all good, M!$TER-ED will probably reasses this or give it a place otherwise. <3

I'm a severely traumatized person, I can be a bit intense, like a war vet. This life was not easy.
 
As I understand it, your opinion may vary, we have the illusion of free will but on the God/Universe level of reality everything is exactly as it should be. The Universe/God (one and the same for me, the multiverse is God so not a Creation as much as a Body. God didnt drive the pickup truck to the hardware store to create the Universe, the Universe is entirely carved out of His flesh, making all of us subdivisions of Him that are He.) is the doer of all things, though us.

In Omnicyclianism the concept of Sin is differently understood as "our" actions are God acting through us, therefore true responsibility for our actions are His and thereby, eternal reward or damnation are implausible and would constitute an impossible energy leak out of a closed system."Heaven and Hell" are transit stations, nothing is a final destination because you have already arrived.



Thats how I solve the puzzler, your answer depends on what works in your personal cosmology. That a belief of yours is FUNCTIONAL in your cosmology to make you more effective for the greater good, means that I am completely at peace with your assumptions differing from my assumptions. You need your beliefs to power the engine you affect reality with, its completely inappropriate for me to try to diesel up your gas engine -what works for me could catastrophically fail for you as our personal cosmologies consist of subjective beliefs, not absolute truths. (science still has 85% of the universe unaccounted for, you know what I mean. Even the sun shining on your face is an assumption.)

 
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This sounds a lot like a cult.
To me all religions can be cultish if looked at right. But that is not true if one assimilates the words of wisdom without getting hypocritical in their quest. Meaning any idea or belief can get cultish, but balanced integration can make all the difference. When I look at my own parents religion, or the other half of my family that is catholic I can look at the good and the bad. The bad to me, is the concept of nuns let's say. Woman swearing off sex, dressing like a penguin and living in a commune. Yet the good side is I know there is a lot of wisdom in all religion, and some of the nuns are way higher than I can ever aspire too and can probably teach me something. (trying to remain humble and give credit where credit is due)

I had some of my dumber family members call me in a cult for being a Dead Head. Most know it is a devotion to music and living a peaceful life. But one family member thought it was all drugs and crazies. (I mean it is but......lol) Music is not cultish, some people really like music.

Some of my contempt for religion comes directly from my family. I know there are good peaceful catholic or orthodox church goers that try and be good people. That is all it takes for me to appreciate that. But I have seen the other side too. I have an aunt that still thinks gay people are going to hell. I kept telling her I am a lowly human, and forget gay or whatever they think is a sin, I myself would not put the worst criminal of real crimes in hell for real sins, not just personal opinions! A forgiving God is much higher than me too. Also I don't really believe in the God they do. I think we all are God.

Whether I agree with all @Asante posts or ideas is irrelevant. I do see a lot of truth and wisdom, and if it wants to be packaged as Omnicyclion then post and discuss. I am having a hard time trying to find fault with Omnicyclion. as a lot of it is the same wisdom I have come across in my own seeking.

When it comes to rule breaking here, although I could be off on that, I think if it got preachy it would break a rule. I am not seeing that though, just ideas presented. We all know preachy. The other guy that has not been around can get preachy. lol I see a lot of commonality with Catholic and Omnicyclion philosophy.

I just saw the last post, apologies @M!$TER-ED, didn't mean to kick this up again. But I had to burp out my worthless 2 cents.
 
Cults are usually big on recruiting people to up they #'s -- this religion/cult w/e does not seem to have that distinct quality. (unless I missed the sales pitch)
 
Cults are usually big on recruiting people to up they #'s --
Reminds me, I always thought AA had the best way to present the ideas to the public. It was said it was a program of attraction not promotion. And I do think they live up to that. And yeah, that group has some people calling them a cult too. Can't get away from it. And to me it is not, simply because it is a program of attraction and not promotion. But cliques and gatherings can look cultish to some.

I remember the Hari Krishna's at the airports 40 years ago. I remember talking to one, saying I do understand a lot of their ideas, but pushing it on people is a turn off. Jehovah's Witnesses too, I find commonality when I decide to answer my front door, but have mentioned that even coming to my door is a turn off, probably because that is cultish.
 
A.A felt a little "Cultish" cuz of the whole "Admit to a higher power"--- and really Jesus was the only acceptable answer.

I wrote morphine. They did not like that. This was a Pseudo AA court ordered 8 week program -- little different I suppose. (I presume everyone there was court ordered at least I didnt really make friends)
 
In days when dawn was first and fair
When mortal hearts knew naught of care,
The sons of Heaven gazed below,
Where mortal daughters’ faces glowed.

From starry heights they dared descend,
Ignoring law they could not bend;
Through love or lust, by will or whim,
They birthed the mighty Nephilim.

O giants tall, with thunderous tread,
They ruled the earth, the weak they bled.
Heroes to some, to others dread,
Their names in whispered terror spread.

With hands like stone and eyes of flame,
They built their cities, carved their fame;
But pride became their wicked chain,
And blood of man fell like the rain.

The heavens stirred in wrath and woe,
For earth was bound in grief below.
A voice divine proclaimed the call:
“The age of giants now shall fall.”

Then waters rose with thunder’s might,
And day was drowned in endless night.
The Nephilim, though fierce and high,
Were swept beneath the weeping sky.

And silence fell where towers stood,
The world was cleansed in churning flood.
Yet still in dreams their shadows gleam—
The giants live in mortal theme.

Legacy
Beware, O hearts of pride’s desire…of mortal flesh that courts the fire.
For even those of Heaven’s kin once fell beneath the weight of sin.

We are in the last seconds of the last minutes of the very last days of the last days of Noah.
 
But also I think people often confuse the difference between confession and repentance. Religion focuses on your sin. Relationship focuses on your faith. Confession is a sin issue. Repentance is a faith issue. I think it’s unrepentance that opens the doors to the demonic.

Have you ever noticed that there’s a conversation that ensues in your head right after you’ve done something you believe is wrong like after you’ve sinned?? It’s a conversation about the sin. And it doesn't matter whether you overcame the temptation or fell to it. Imo what matters is if you believe the lie that follows the sin.

Let’s say for example…that you believe gambling is a sin and now a demon is tempting you to go gamble. The demon will tempt you to go gamble and if you fall to the sin and go gamble the demon will be in your head saying “too bad you fell to that sin cause now you're condemned because you are of course…condemned by your sin”. That’s the biggest lie the enemy wants you to believe!! The Bible says there's now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ. Paul said wherever sin abounds…grace abounds that much more. Jesus told the woman “I do not condemn you." Paul said all things are now permissible. But after that statement, there's always a second statement. All things are permissible…but not all things are beneficial. Wherever sin abounds grace abounds that much more. But should you sin that grace abound… by no means….you are not condemned but go and sin no more. You have to be able to accept that your sin is not the issue in order to step into faith because you can't go and sin no more if you think you're already condemned by sin. And so it’s like ironically…once you realize that you're free to sin you'll be free from sin. I’m not condoning sin. This is just how I’m processing these scriptures so that I can work on overcoming the sin.

But see for the people that resisted and overcame the temptation to go gamble and did not sin the same utility still exists. The demon can still sell them on the same lie. And this lie slips in much easier in this situation cause it bolsters up pride. The demon can say “Hey great job! Good thing you didn't sin because you would have been condemned because of course you're condemned by sin”. In both cases the lie is told and believed. And so…in both cases unrepentance is achieved. It becomes a faith issue…like the rock in the field in the parable of the sower. In the first case the person fell to sin and now they should confess that they sinned but they still have an unrepentant issue. In the second case the person didn't fall to sin so they don't need to confess but they still did accept the faith issue and now have to repent. In both cases, repentance means to change your mind. Change your mind about sin. It's not about sinning or not sinning. It's about what you believe about the sin. If you keep going further and further down this road of overcoming moral dilemmas but believing the lie about the sin you just end up a Catholic.
You end up more concerned with your morality in this life more than with your salvation in the next. You’re focusing on the waves more than on Jesus. This is what Jesus is telling Peter. And this is because of course there are two ways to get into heaven. You could live a completely perfect moral life as Jesus alone accomplished and you could get into heaven on your own perfection. But since this is absolutely impossible because every single one of us has fallen short of the glory of God…this route is barred for all of us. And so the only option is to hide inside of the one who did satisfy this requirement. And that of course is Jesus Christ. Jesus is the only way. He's like the VPN that we're encrypted inside to transfer to the server of heaven.

It’s not like no one’s really gonna read this far. So Idk why I just wasted all of that time typing all of that….all of y’all can just kiss my ass lol❤️😉
 
But also I think people often confuse the difference between confession and repentance. Religion focuses on your sin. Relationship focuses on your faith. Confession is a sin issue. Repentance is a faith issue. I think it’s unrepentance that opens the doors to the demonic.

Have you ever noticed that there’s a conversation that ensues in your head right after you’ve done something you believe is wrong like after you’ve sinned?? It’s a conversation about the sin. And it doesn't matter whether you overcame the temptation or fell to it. Imo what matters is if you believe the lie that follows the sin.

Let’s say for example…that you believe gambling is a sin and now a demon is tempting you to go gamble. The demon will tempt you to go gamble and if you fall to the sin and go gamble the demon will be in your head saying “too bad you fell to that sin cause now you're condemned because you are of course…condemned by your sin”. That’s the biggest lie the enemy wants you to believe!! The Bible says there's now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ. Paul said wherever sin abounds…grace abounds that much more. Jesus told the woman “I do not condemn you." Paul said all things are now permissible. But after that statement, there's always a second statement. All things are permissible…but not all things are beneficial. Wherever sin abounds grace abounds that much more. But should you sin that grace abound… by no means….you are not condemned but go and sin no more. You have to be able to accept that your sin is not the issue in order to step into faith because you can't go and sin no more if you think you're already condemned by sin. And so it’s like ironically…once you realize that you're free to sin you'll be free from sin. I’m not condoning sin. This is just how I’m processing these scriptures so that I can work on overcoming the sin.

But see for the people that resisted and overcame the temptation to go gamble and did not sin the same utility still exists. The demon can still sell them on the same lie. And this lie slips in much easier in this situation cause it bolsters up pride. The demon can say “Hey great job! Good thing you didn't sin because you would have been condemned because of course you're condemned by sin”. In both cases the lie is told and believed. And so…in both cases unrepentance is achieved. It becomes a faith issue…like the rock in the field in the parable of the sower. In the first case the person fell to sin and now they should confess that they sinned but they still have an unrepentant issue. In the second case the person didn't fall to sin so they don't need to confess but they still did accept the faith issue and now have to repent. In both cases, repentance means to change your mind. Change your mind about sin. It's not about sinning or not sinning. It's about what you believe about the sin. If you keep going further and further down this road of overcoming moral dilemmas but believing the lie about the sin you just end up a Catholic.
You end up more concerned with your morality in this life more than with your salvation in the next. You’re focusing on the waves more than on Jesus. This is what Jesus is telling Peter. And this is because of course there are two ways to get into heaven. You could live a completely perfect moral life as Jesus alone accomplished and you could get into heaven on your own perfection. But since this is absolutely impossible because every single one of us has fallen short of the glory of God…this route is barred for all of us. And so the only option is to hide inside of the one who did satisfy this requirement. And that of course is Jesus Christ. Jesus is the only way. He's like the VPN that we're encrypted inside to transfer to the server of heaven.

It’s not like no one’s really gonna read this far. So Idk why I just wasted all of that time typing all of that….all of y’all can just kiss my ass lol❤️😉
Yes Lord Preach GIF
 
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