The Rise and Fall of Testosterone: From Hitler's Super Soldiers to Bodybuilding's Deadly Secret

paranoid android said:
Im 44 and get mine from a doctor. However i have a virtual doctor and they are easier to get things off in my experrience. Granted my test levels where pretty low to so i dunno
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Do you live in the USA? In the USA they won't give you anything related to T unless you levels are really low and I've never met anyone that qualified. Even 80+ year old men.

On the other hand they'll pass out female hormones to anyone that asks for them.
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
Do you live in the USA? In the USA they won't give you anything related to T unless you levels are really low and I've never met anyone that qualified. Even 80+ year old men.

On the other hand they'll pass out female hormones to anyone that asks for them.
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Nope im in Canada. My test levels where pretty damn low for my age but ya virtual docs here are easier to deal with imo
 
lost weekend said:
Is there any factual evidence the German army were given steroids during the second World War ,you obviously will correct me if im wrong but does it not take weeks if not months for them to have an effect compared to stimulants.
Could it possibly have been individual cases rather than a whole army .
I bow to your superior intellect ,I'm certainly not questioning you in regards to your field
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I think the testosterone is nonsense - pointless taking it orally so it all needs injecting. And what for? Test doesnt make you agressive.

I've heard speed was pointless for most soldiers too - yeah its good for 2 days then you're exhausted and need to sleep all day or you go psychotic.
 
lost weekend said:
Is there any factual evidence the German army were given steroids during the second World War
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As far as I know they were not giving roids of any kind to soldiers.

lost weekend said:
Yeh I know some divisions were given stimulants especially at the start of the war but there must have been huge mental and physical fatigue after staying awake for 3 days .
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I grew up with a friend who's mother was born in early 1920s Germany and lived through Hitler's rise to power and the war. She told me use of Pervitin was very common and her own parents took it regularly.

It wasn't just the military. Pervitin pills were OTC for many years in Germany and it was encouraged for both members of the military to take them and people working in factories and elsewhere to help with the war effort. But they were only on the market for a few years OTC before the Government realized it was becoming a problem so they started to cut back on allowing them to be used so freely. Some tank crews and pilots were given emergency supply of Pervitin pills in case they were needed by crews/pilots that needed to stay awake for 2-3 days during maneuvers. But use of them was regulated and they were only used when required.

The Germans also had a pill called D-IX, which was a combination drug that contained 5mg of Eukodal (oxycodone)+5mg of cocaine+unknown amount of pervitin (meth). It was developed late in the war around 1944 but sources don't agree if it ever saw any use before the war ended.

Use of meth (well dex) is still very common even modern western armed forces. US pilots are regularly given "go pills" (dextroamphetamine and later modafinil) when woken up for missions. When their mission is over they're given "no-go pills" (I think z-drugs and/or benzos, not sure) so they can sleep afterwards.

Concerning roids in the military: It's well known that in the modern US military that most people cycle roids (or roid-like medications) in the weeks leading up to performance reviews. I would not be surprised if the same was true of the German military during WW2. I had a lot of friends that were in the US military during the war of on terror since a lot of guys in my graduating class signed up for the military after 9/11 happened (we watched the towers falls while sitting in our Junior year classes). Every one I knew in the Navy, Army, Marines and Air Force was cycling some kind of performance enhancing drug to put on muscle back then. They were all terrified that if they didn't they'd get killed in the sand box and they all wanted to do the best they could during performance reviews in the hopes of getting better placement (many were attempting to make the Rangers and various other higher position jobs within whatever branch they'd signed up for). The brass was known to look the other way at the time. Many of them continued doing regular cycles after they'd served their time and gotten out.

I also know that use of various substances in the Japanese military was widespread during WW2 and the other wars they were involved in leading up to it. From people I've talked to serving in the modern JSDF use of performance enhancing drugs and meth is pretty common. Since they work closely with the US military (their home islands is basically a US airbase after all) and they all want to become special forces.

Japan in general has a lot of meth abuse. It's the most commonly abused drug within the country and law enforcement is known to look the other way. Meth and other forms of speed are widely tolerated due to the work culture just like heavy intake of alcohol. Ironically, smoking weed will get you in far more trouble than taking meth to get through a busy work/school day or drinking alcohol to the point of getting so drunk you can't walk. Seeing a business man passed out on the street due to being blacked out drunk is very common over there. Since you're expected to go out drinking with your co-workers every evening after work hours and it's pretty much required if you ever want to move up the ladder in your company.
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
To those of you taking test are you getting it through a doctor or buying it elsewhere? As far as I know it's nearly impossible to get is prescribed these days. I know 60+ year old men that can't get it through a doctor.

As I'm getting older I've considered to start supplementing with it because I've noticed an extreme lack of motivation and I know my years of opioids intake must have tanked mine. I've been seeing a major decline in my ability to build muscle since getting into my late 30s.
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Wow, wow, brother…..unacceptable.

Exactly my case. Years of opioids due to medical condition and I noticed a drop in desire for sex, soft erections, o desire, etc…..my doc did blood work and my free testosterone levels were very low. Due to opioids

He set referral to a T specialist…..150mg starting….,blood work done, levels slightly increased. Finally set on depo-Testosterone 200mg IM ever 2 weeks X 9-10 repeats ….do bloodwork every 6 months or so to ensure in normal heathy range.

Methadone 75mg for 15 years (currently 100-125mg daily)

In in Ontario Canada 🇨🇦……but wherever you are, see your family doc and ask for full blood & urine analysis for annual checkup……specifically you want to test your free testosterone levels as you have many of the symptoms of low T ……they SHOULD write you a script no problem

Initially I would go into the doc office every 2 weeks for my shot…..but Fck that, T specialist said I can administer every 2 weeks at home, 10 repeats each time, cute little 10ml glass vial of 1,000mg of oily Testosterone

You’re basically 19 years old again…..an energetic go getter, up best positive mind set and super confident, but not a cocky prick, a certain warm positive energy that’s more likely to be of assistance to someone while doing it with a smile on your face

Simply AMAZING compound….in your free-T levels are on the low end, No reason what so ever you shouldn’t get a script. Get referral from doc. If doc brushes you off, go to a walk-in clinical, tell them same concerns and they will refer you to a specialist

In Canada I can purchase on clear net (only ships within Canada due to customs) but I have a valid legal script so no need. Best of luck bro 😎
 
….and yes, no the entire German army was on testosterone, just Adolf Hitler so could pound Ava Braun. Oxycodone (Eukadol) was also his favourite drug lol

American, U.K …all on Benzedrine Sulphate (racemic Amphetamines)
Germany & Japan…..all on Pervitin & Philipon (d-N-Methylamphetamine HCL) Desoxyn/Methedrine

All spec ops Tier 1 operations use various compounds especially when “in country” to neutralize an HVT (high value target) …..stimulants are ABSOLUTELY staple as well as rapid acting Opioids, Ketamine and “fuel” MRE’s, H2O, ammunition

The compound raided where Bin laden was hiding EVER SINGLE PERSON was erraticated with precision heat shot using night vision, and suppressed (silencers) …..his wife, sons…,you fckn name it, the family dog…..,hyper velocity 5.56mm NATO 64 grain jacketed soft points for soft human targets in a fully decked out Colt M4 Carbine with optics, picatinny rail, vertical battle grip, SureFire sound suppressor, night vision SAFE/SEMI/AUTO the selector reads

Same Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine 5.56mm I’ve owned since age 19 bought at Al Simmons gun shop brand new in the box for 2K CDN…except mine in SAFE/FIRE (no fully automatic provision) …,and no SureFire sound suppressor (Fck u Liberal Canadian f@ggot Govt)

Colt M4 Carbine 5.56mm NATO
Springfield Armory M14 battle rifle 7.62mm NATO ….. both my prized long guns …..the M14 would punch through 3 modern automobiles and still tag the guy hiding behind with lethality ……a TRUE combat battle rifle

the Springfield M14 battle rifle 7.62mm NATO …..the Army took em out of storage when in Afghanistan the full sized Colt M16-A4 didn’t have the long range lethality & hitting power shooting mountain to mountain…..,out comes the Springfield Armory M14 Battle Rifle in the larger 7.62mm NATO cartridge with its 147 grain full metal jacket bullet travelling 3X speed of sound

Browning M2 .50 cal belt fed machine gun with 100-round belt …can drop a chopper with that, cut a house in half

Watching live videos of ABRAMS M1 battle tank completely destroying entire blocks in the sand box ……using the main gun (massive cannon) to make a house disappear with terrorist threats inside , while the ABRAMS M1 .50 Caliber gunner empties 100-round ammo can, after 100-round ammo can……those .50 BMG bullets are Fckn MASSIVE and blow through steel & cinder block walls like they were made from paper

By age 19 I’ve owned $30,000.00 dollars worth of hi-end precision weapon systems, all 100% USGI Mil-Spec all used by Navy SEAL Operators….$2,000 Benelli M4 Super 90 combat shotgun, $2,500 H&K MARK 23 SOCOM .45 combat pistol, Colt M4 Carbine, Springfield M14, Remington 700 M40A1 bolt-action precision sniper rifle, 15 pistols, Smith & Wesson 629 Classic .44 Magnum CANNON ……5 safes full of breathtaking works of art

Member of 2 gun clubs, private invitation to Base Borden (Canadian Military Base) the only 1,000 yard sniper range in Ontario (short of some farmers field lol)

Firearms are in my genetic makeup….,,I had a sub-compact Glock 27 .40 cal in an ankle holster with factory night sights, fully loaded with premium Federal 180 grain Hydra-Shok hollow points …..if I had a daughter she would be carrying concealed 24/7 ….,1 rounds centre mass. Done deal. A massive 230 grain jacketed hollow point from a Glock 30 in .45 ACP ……survivability……ZERO

Castle doctrine, stand your ground, concealed carry, fully armed ……house perimeter security, Magnum 000 Buckshot, AR-15 assault rifle 30-round magazines X 10 mags ……911 to come clean up the mess

God bless the USA 🇺🇸 ..,,,,,,@#$& you Canada
 
Dextro .45 said:
….and yes, no the entire German army was on testosterone, just Adolf Hitler so could pound Ava Braun. Oxycodone (Eukadol) was also his favourite drug lol

American, U.K …all on Benzedrine Sulphate (racemic Amphetamines)
Germany & Japan…..all on Pervitin & Philipon (d-N-Methylamphetamine HCL) Desoxyn/Methedrine

All spec ops Tier 1 operations use various compounds especially when “in country” to neutralize an HVT (high value target) …..stimulants are ABSOLUTELY staple as well as rapid acting Opioids, Ketamine and “fuel” MRE’s, H2O, ammunition

The compound raided where Bin laden was hiding EVER SINGLE PERSON was erraticated with precision heat shot using night vision, and suppressed (silencers) …..his wife, sons…,you fckn name it, the family dog…..,hyper velocity 5.56mm NATO 64 grain jacketed soft points for soft human targets in a fully decked out Colt M4 Carbine with optics, picatinny rail, vertical battle grip, SureFire sound suppressor, night vision SAFE/SEMI/AUTO the selector reads

Same Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine 5.56mm I’ve owned since age 19 bought at Al Simmons gun shop brand new in the box for 2K CDN…except mine in SAFE/FIRE (no fully automatic provision) …,and no SureFire sound suppressor (Fck u Liberal Canadian f@ggot Govt)

Colt M4 Carbine 5.56mm NATO
Springfield Armory M14 battle rifle 7.62mm NATO ….. both my prized long guns …..the M14 would punch through 3 modern automobiles and still tag the guy hiding behind with lethality ……a TRUE combat battle rifle

the Springfield M14 battle rifle 7.62mm NATO …..the Army took em out of storage when in Afghanistan the full sized Colt M16-A4 didn’t have the long range lethality & hitting power shooting mountain to mountain…..,out comes the Springfield Armory M14 Battle Rifle in the larger 7.62mm NATO cartridge with its 147 grain full metal jacket bullet travelling 3X speed of sound

Browning M2 .50 cal belt fed machine gun with 100-round belt …can drop a chopper with that, cut a house in half

Watching live videos of ABRAMS M1 battle tank completely destroying entire blocks in the sand box ……using the main gun (massive cannon) to make a house disappear with terrorist threats inside , while the ABRAMS M1 .50 Caliber gunner empties 100-round ammo can, after 100-round ammo can……those .50 BMG bullets are Fckn MASSIVE and blow through steel & cinder block walls like they were made from paper

By age 19 I’ve owned $30,000.00 dollars worth of hi-end precision weapon systems, all 100% USGI Mil-Spec all used by Navy SEAL Operators….$2,000 Benelli M4 Super 90 combat shotgun, $2,500 H&K MARK 23 SOCOM .45 combat pistol, Colt M4 Carbine, Springfield M14, Remington 700 M40A1 bolt-action precision sniper rifle, 15 pistols, Smith & Wesson 629 Classic .44 Magnum CANNON ……5 safes full of breathtaking works of art

Member of 2 gun clubs, private invitation to Base Borden (Canadian Military Base) the only 1,000 yard sniper range in Ontario (short of some farmers field lol)

Firearms are in my genetic makeup….,,I had a sub-compact Glock 27 .40 cal in an ankle holster with factory night sights, fully loaded with premium Federal 180 grain Hydra-Shok hollow points …..if I had a daughter she would be carrying concealed 24/7 ….,1 rounds centre mass. Done deal. A massive 230 grain jacketed hollow point from a Glock 30 in .45 ACP ……survivability……ZERO

Castle doctrine, stand your ground, concealed carry, fully armed ……house perimeter security, Magnum 000 Buckshot, AR-15 assault rifle 30-round magazines X 10 mags ……911 to come clean up the mess

God bless the USA 🇺🇸 ..,,,,,,@#$& you Canada
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And his niece 😍
 
Dextro .45 said:
Wow, wow, brother…..unacceptable.

Exactly my case. Years of opioids due to medical condition and I noticed a drop in desire for sex, soft erections, o desire, etc…..my doc did blood work and my free testosterone levels were very low. Due to opioids

He set referral to a T specialist…..150mg starting….,blood work done, levels slightly increased. Finally set on depo-Testosterone 200mg IM ever 2 weeks X 9-10 repeats ….do bloodwork every 6 months or so to ensure in normal heathy range.

Methadone 75mg for 15 years (currently 100-125mg daily)

In in Ontario Canada 🇨🇦……but wherever you are, see your family doc and ask for full blood & urine analysis for annual checkup……specifically you want to test your free testosterone levels as you have many of the symptoms of low T ……they SHOULD write you a script no problem

Initially I would go into the doc office every 2 weeks for my shot…..but Fck that, T specialist said I can administer every 2 weeks at home, 10 repeats each time, cute little 10ml glass vial of 1,000mg of oily Testosterone

You’re basically 19 years old again…..an energetic go getter, up best positive mind set and super confident, but not a cocky prick, a certain warm positive energy that’s more likely to be of assistance to someone while doing it with a smile on your face

Simply AMAZING compound….in your free-T levels are on the low end, No reason what so ever you shouldn’t get a script. Get referral from doc. If doc brushes you off, go to a walk-in clinical, tell them same concerns and they will refer you to a specialist

In Canada I can purchase on clear net (only ships within Canada due to customs) but I have a valid legal script so no need. Best of luck bro 😎
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My doc started me on 150mg every 2 weeks as well. Now i do 200 a week which works much better. You should split your doses into weekly injections though imo because there would be much less fluctations then every 2 weeks

Anabolics are super easy to get here in Canada though. Plenty of places on the clear net to get them
 
gmanzalready1 said:
I'm 57 and wondering what would be my best go to .start with trt injections o pills
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Pills do not work they have very poor bioavailability and you need to take a ton which is costly for suboptimal results.
TRT injections are optimal im on it 10 years now I don’t feel any good effects from testosterone but when I did use high dosages I felt them now I’m just normal , also it gets old to remember every Monday to pin your butt , but it is what it is.
 
paranoid android said:
Honestly rations where probably so short for the German army back then that steroids where probably not feasabile. Stimulants like meth in particular would be alot more practical i think
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Hitler became chancellor of Germany in 1933 (secretly building up the Weirmatch, Lufftwaffa Airforce, SS Comandos, Inztienguippeien SS - horrid death squad that followed the armed forces and eradicate any Jew, mentally or physically ill, homosexual, intellectuals, etc, etc

1939 WWII breaks out after Britain and France declares war on Germany for invading Poland….after they peacefully took Cheqslovakia (sp?)

The German military was VERY well armed and equipped …..putting into action Blitzcreiz “Lightning War” …..what the US and every other nation does to this day……the Air Force has airial domination over the sky, while the navy and army attack after …..the BEST military on earth at the time…..their tanks had communication radios ….1st ever, V2 ballistic missile, first assault rifle ever made, best technology, best everything

Hitles private doctor Theodore Morrel regularly supplied him with Testosterone, Oxycodone was his favourite, and of coarse Pervitin (d-Desoxyephedrine) Methamphetamine

Pervitin was carried by every German soldier. Benzedrine for the US and UK. Japan 🇯🇵 had insaine amounts of Methamphetamine as it was synthesized their and had the largest black market surplus of Methamphetamine after the war ended

Yes…during the last year or so before hitters suicide and Germany defeat they were scarce ….. but in general during the war Germany was very well equipped with the best of the best …..if it wasn’t for battle of Stalingrad in Russia, and the -40 freezing weather that stopped the Germans dead in their tracks ….Soooo cold tanks couldn’t start unless fire started under the diesel engine, guns would freeze closed, you couldn’t even take a crap or piss due to freezing to death. They would use dead soldiers frozen stiff as tables, something to sit on, etc
 
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That is an intense personal account. The comparison to military use is unsettling but historically grounded. Glad it helps your mood though.
Ismene2 said:
Testosterone is about the best thing for my mental health ive found - fucking phenomenol.
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Dextro_45 I feel you on that first-shot glow. I'm on 150mg/week self-prescribed because my doctor had me on 200mg every 2 weeks and the crash by day 10 was brutal. That said, I tried adding Ritalin to the mix once and my heart felt like a jackhammer — can't imagine Desoxyn on top. You ever actually run that stack or just theorycrafting?

Also, that 10ml vial with 10 repeats — who's your doctor? Asking for a friend 😂
Dextro .45 said:
Testosterone 200mg IM injection every 2 weeks for years

AMAZING antidepressant & mood-boosting agent. After my first shot, few days after driving, I was like, why do I feel so good, absolutely glowing. Enhanced cognitive function and vigilance, increased strength and sexual desire, happy and upbeat, confident and secure

d-Methamphetamine (Desoxyn/Methedrine) and Testosterone + low dose Oxycodone would be the ultimate soldier/combat fighting cocktail…..which was often used by the German army in WWII

To this day, Tier 1 Spec Op Operators (Navy SEALS, etc) use Testosterone prior to an operation and CNS stimulates such as Dexedrine or Desoxyn

On CNN a story surfaced Navy SEALS were caught in heavy Cocaine use in South American operations

Testosterone is absolutely Staple…..most important……and you add d-Desoxyephedrine to the mix and you’re Superman…..fully geared up with night vision, body armour, silenced automatic weapons and explosives …..my lord….12 men trained to the max all jacked up…..that’s the US Special Forces

But for the 40+ year old man……Amazing compound.

10ml vial / 1,000 mg of depo-Testosterone X 10 repeats……nice to have with Ritalin & Opioids + occasional Benzodiazepines
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Haha I feel you. Docs are way too conservative with dosing. That every-2-week protocol is trash — half of its leaving your system before the next shot. You doing your own bloodwork or just going by feel?
paranoid android said:
I take test 150mg's a week. Gonna go up to 200mg's a week next month likely. Im scripted 150mg's every 2 weeks but that dose wasent doing it for me so i upped the dose myself. I loe test and ive put on so much muscle since starting it its been great.
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I should specify that adding Desoxyn (d-Meth) is in low therapeutic doses. 5-25mg daily adult dose max.

Generally an adult male would suffice on:
Depo-Testosterone 200mg IM injection 1-2 days prior to event (reaching peak serum levels)
Desoxyn 5mg single tablet sould suffice hour before event
Oxycodone IR 5mg would suffice hour before event

Laser focus & supercharged vigilance…..testosterone boldness + Oxy IR anxiolytic & mood-boosting narcotic analgesic

I would have various IR tablets on person…plus med kit, tourniquet, potent opioid analgesics + dopaminergic stimulant as needed.
 
saduncan said:
Haha I feel you. Docs are way too conservative with dosing. That every-2-week protocol is trash — half of its leaving your system before the next shot. You doing your own bloodwork or just going by feel?
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Ya its a really old protocol. I get blood work done. My estradiol is high but not getting any side effects so i dot know if i should invest in AI's or not.. I started pinning twice a week so hopefully that will get the estradiol down abit
 
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