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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2
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That's cute you think that.
How is a naive person supposed to compare a chemical ingested today to something from 30 years ago?
Because it's not rocket science some of us some of us still have batches from 20- 30 years ago aka LE JUNKThe op and some us have magic within the past 1-5 years
We then INTENTIONALLY give these people meh and junk. Even INTENTIONALLY not telling them it is junk, not this thread . Not telling them to temper expectations or what to even expect... We don't even tell them how much we give em. I know when I run these tests when I do find a niece person from time to time and or they maybe have done it once or 2x MAX "back in highschool but it was a pill and I didn't test so it maybe could been anything from foxy, Bk mdma or who knows what because they were probably 16-18 when they first tried it with no kits." So In lay mans terms they are a Virgin or a virgin who has been finger F, sorta deal. But let's say 18 years had passed and they are VERY naive user regardless or flat out virgin and are say 32-35 years old now
I INTENTIONALLY made sure they have a empty or light stomach, I alsomade it a super super dosed but safety concerns are real they may or may not get an allergy test sample say 10-20mg of meh well below threshold but if we just met at the bar the day before or whatever probably not either way has no bearing on outcome.
While there is no "official" mg I use, it's based on weigh of person...oh you're 90lb skinny Asian chick, cool you get 200mg to 250mg. And if are like my weight at 145lb to 150lbs cool you get between like 250-320mg. And above that for serious concerns would be 300-350mg. I tell them eitherway, you are always welcome to more, but you can't take less well unless you puke.But it's not abnormal for people to take a booster dose 1-2hrs later of 1/3 to 1/2 later of the dose you took if you need it. We( the admins testing) go thru the list either by memory or if we think we forgot something sneaky to the bathroom to see if I missed something and when the booster dose timer is up, I ask them how do you feel do you think you need a booster etc would you like a half or 1/3 of what you took. They almost always want 1/2 some might want a 1/3. Are you "rolling" ya know the classic "roll" of the ups and downs of the rollercoaster the OGs know. If it's really bad mdma, it could range from I feel hot but that's it, ima little relaxed but not "high", I ask do you get the brain buzz feel, you know when you have 1-2 drinks but once you get to drink 3-4 you're sloshed. Do you have a buzz... Answer nope, but like I think "I think the rocket is about to take off but idk what I'm supposed to feel." Mind you 250mg to 300mg+ would make even someone experienced they would puke if it's even somewhere any halfway decent meh at 400-500mg in 2 hours is A LOT. Hell it's could be very outright dangerous but not only do they not really feel anything, except maybe a little sleepy or relaxed but should make anyone puke I only know it's safe, because eating more etc etc didn't do crap for me and a group of people who aren't naive
The thing with magic TRUE magic you won't get much loss thru tolerance.so you can Roll 3 days in a row with min to no loss of effect
I/we ask them the next day how to you feel, if lucky maybe a light after glow but not hungover etc. Then I say I know last night sucked but it was intentional, I promise you THIS is what you want, I can't tell you why or what is different other than this is a different batch of mdma I MUCH prefer. I wanted to hand you weaker stuff to see if you could handle this.
I hand them a SINGLE pill of MAGIC weighing 80-120mg . Now with magic some may puke some might not.reguardless this time they are ROLLING FOR SURE HARD even after puking. Noone dares for a booster dose this time. And then I tell them the difference
For the not nieve circle, a lot of if not ALL my circle quit mdma making "false claims" they have probably built a tolerance and it sucks or not the same. These are people who were definitely around the 80s-90s and know what good MDMA was.are absolutely FLOORED this was as good if not better then what they had in the 90s a single 100mg pill showed them that tolerance was not an issue. Cheap and subpar mdma was, that tolerance was a lie because I encourage them, try other people's mdma either the next day or 2-3 months from now., hell if they are close to me I'll even match. Not exactly 1:1 weight but if they buy, here's the RAW MDMA before purification and see for yourself it's the product and not you with a tolerance.
Price/ their experience from their timeline is sadly their determinating factor and they will like to say, well idk your price is too high, our mutual friend who moves weight is 3x cheaper then you. I tell them if you want junk I have it, I can match and beat it. Sadly for 75% middle grade meh mdma is fine, not absolute junk I used for testing purposes it's 1/2 decent but it's definitely lacking something. Good enough to resale for those that are cheap and not have to deal with refunds being absolutely junk like the stuff I use for testing (and yes BOTH MDMA have been labelled tested multiple times with MEH getting the NMR Treatment with the known discrepancy from energy control saying it is MDMA but NMR showed MDDMA or MMDMAA I forgot but it's on here posted. . And depending which batch of magic round one also got NMR, but future rounds of magic got UVIC/GYTD was fine because
"That mdma batch is pure artistry, even betting out that previous 'MAPS' batch you had prior and I really really like that stuff" it was sold by e******* in past years. I have to remind them, it's a "bootleg batch" as in they follow the roadmap but to follow to a T means they followed GMP practices which have VERY VERY expensive reagents, solvents etc no ASC grade in this house, I'm talking 2-3 grades up at all steps independently tested for purity for potential degradation. This person calls his maps mdma but he even said it follows the route they published, not diverted mdma from maps
I call mine "maps equivalent" as it probably did not follow the maps route let alone the GMP practices required to be called maps mdma and 95% chance came from glycidate via catalytic hydrogenation instead.
I was told from a few people that has had both ******* bootleg MAPS and my ultra recrystallization batch done 2-3 times are both FANFUCKING tastic reminds me of the good old days 100% worth the 2-3x premium you charge Vs the Dutch dirt you sold or came from keep either one in stock for the OGs of the 70-90s who knows or have taken the Pepsi challenge and seen the light. But if it happens to be at or around the same premium I've been told more than once. I like your maps equivalent VS XxxX bootleg maps. Not that bootleg MAPS is bad or even close to meh, no it definitely far past meh. Just your 2x recrystallization ultra pure has a slight edge in quality I/we like Vs ******* bootleg MAPS
The difference of course, besides how we got to have the end product mine is a small microscale/brewery recrystallization while ******* is heinzenberg.
As I've said earlier anyone can learn the chemistry to not only make their own route mdma, follow one published, or even simpler (but still deceptively a little challenging to consistently achieve recrystallization to the level I have) is equal to making waffles with your own sourdough starter at the farmers market..
This heinzenberg (not his real name or handle) but in the mdma world is the chemical engineer at Kellogg's. Anyone can learn, the chemistry... But even I know, on scale and aspects, I would have a very difficult time completing step #1 of maps method without some serious issues and trial and errors (which hopefully I'm being very vague and you really can't do anything with or means much to anyone unless you are one of the few people here)
That would be attempting the gringard of an olfen/phenol using bromine in a contious flow lab. And I have much much greater detail then maps has given out to achieve it
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There is also small, but legitimate, physical risk and death from water, should we start banning and it heavily restricting water? Should we bring back the banning and petitions and notify everyone we wish to run concurrently the banning and dangers of DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE and instead lets decriminalise MDMA at the same time.Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it
any longer!??
I mean hopefully people will be gullible enough and fall for it again XD
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It already is in multiple multiple places, decriminalisation, but it also means different things to different people usually it means the smallest punishment up to the officer and courts discretion...To some it may mean the Amsterdam model where personal is tolerated, but dealing is illegal so to transport if you are caught you could go to jail, but once it's in a shop it's legal to resell with a license cuz the city gets their tax money. A shop still may face civil asset forfeiture, a revoked license or potential jail time for having over 500g or more TOTAL off all products hell I have 4x that right now without a medical exemption in California when the law is an Oz and everything over is a felony, I just know if they wish too I can argue, my exemption expired and I'm too broke but I have it here before the court today and I have 4k of flower smalls because I wish to make bubble has and press that into rosin and I expect around a 10% yield. But I know cops don't really care about 4lbs of weed. Hell I could have grown it for all they know with 8 plants ...not 50-100 plants even then 99 plants and under is just a "red tag" of your property pull all plants in 1 week or be forced to move it results in $5000 fine. But you can do whatever you want with the half finished plants.
In Portugal you can have a 10 day supply
In Prague/ Bruno the punishment is less criminal and instead a monetary/civil fine instead of a criminal matter for 4 pills. Example is like crossing illegal into USA is a criminal offence overstayed visa is not. Are my 4 mdma pills legal in the eyes of the officer pic below at end for a laugh
In both federal and I believe every state. There is the opportunity to be eligible for deferred entry of judgement. Feds will I heard even present this offer to people who were in possession of let's say 1-2 kilo of cocaine. They have also on the state level presented it as well. With a FIREARM which is a huge no is California. But generally on the federal level it's called pretrial and state it's called a deferred entry of judgement DEJ under penal code 1000 FOR CALIFORNIA .Get caught again. It is no longer pretrial but instead PROP 36. You admit guilt under the pretense of a wobbler and charged as a felony. Complete the program again the felony is dropped to a misdemeanor then removed from your record this way you were never charged with a felony let alone convicted. Get caught again... A shitty lawyer or public defender might not have an ace. But a smart defendent will ask for either veterans court or mental health court with similar stipulations to pc1000 or prop 36...been like 10 years since all this happened the cycle is eligible to be repeated XD
My county home of ken keasy and the marry pranksters decriminalised shrooms the law is no manufacturer for commercial use but there is no set guidelines example you might have 1-2 rooms FULL of growing shrooms. It COULD be grounds for an officer to arrest you. That doesn't mean it's commercial. The size of the rooms your experience and the amount of fully fruiting bodies matter. I'm sorry your honour, I'm still learning and I have a mold issue and they keep contaminating and I only have successfully harvested 1oz or less. Where you loose is it you have 2-5 55 gallon storage totes FILLED with shrooms. 1 maybe you know I like different strains that many nope. Cops here unofficially have a blind eye to ALL psychedelic drugs for personal use and amounts but do go after dealers, and fent/meth regardless. I've had my local cops confiscate my mdma but not press charges before. My friend was once walking downtown and cops began required him to stop and identify himself. The grounds were that there was a be on the look out for a white male, with dreads and blue jeans in the area this is like no joke 50% of all adult males in the county. The cop began a safety frisk and asked him do you have anything that will hurt me. He goes no but I have 4 hits of LSD in my right pocket. The cop GOES SIR, this is not a search and seizure I'm asking you again, this is for our safety do you have any weapons. The cop just looks at the 4 hits of acid and puts it back in his pocket because he didn't want to do a report XD 5 min later he said sorry about that all good to go
Fairfield has recognised and has told officer to decriminalise any marijuana grows within city limits who obtain a growers with a total combined area of a 10x10ft canopy at their discretion. There is strict rules, you need to document the marijuana for personal use and ammounts or if a caregiver to the patient why 30 plants is needed or whatever is because you are pheno hunting currently and I am asking my friend for a mix of sativa indica and these types of smells or reps blah blah . This is NOT IMMUNITY. It is an Affirmative DEFENSE if the officer decides to arrest you. The law is 10*10* to decriminalise but there is 0 guidelines on the number plants and yields to the number of patients 30-35 plants might be my friends goal. At the same time is a clone a plant... Or is it a potential plant and is currently a stick/leaf with no root mass? 99 clones don't take up any space or that much, if the flowering canopy has a space for 30 plants and 2/3 die that leaves 30 plants if he intentionally kills 3 because there is no room that is 30 plants? If 99 plants is a red tag and all clones have a root structure and 100 plants are illegal can he flower all 100 with a commercial grow license which is 100,000 times at minimum more expensive and way more regulated, watched etc including required to be on farm land and source and recycling of nute water ? Maybe the law is a 10*10 canopy at no point does it say 10*10*10 so I could have a 10*10*30-100ft tall and have 3 separate layers XD the cop might be mad and still confiscate it his right, and will probably issue a notice to appear before the magistrate or an potential arrest. He could argue.. he has better success with a 100 plant sea of green instead of 30 plants monsters and he has intentionally keeps extremely detailed logs as outlined on the city website, and results show it doesn't matter if it's 100 plants or 30 plants. The end yield is the same but lab results have continued to show the terpenens or THC /CBD yield is higher. That this is not for marijuana but for rosin and here are the yields after processing, that I testify in court and tell the judge.. I am the patient and he is my caregiver and I specifically instructed him, to grow as many plants and you feel is reasonable under city guidelines to obtain X amount of product but also to work within his own comfort zone and encourage his use of any reasonable accommodations medical accomodations that he might address or need to attend to and he fell off his bike and broke his wrist at 12 years old and it's easier to prune 100 small plants then 30 big plans moving giant pots around to get in deep and inspect for bugs or mold...
Oregon decriminalised all drugs, but from what I heard, it's was (no longer is though) similar to California. It starts with out treatment or jail your choice and progresses to in treatment required
So what is decriminalised mdma. Does it need to be on the books? Is my 4 pills of mdma decriminalised in Prague or not here is what they look like XD
I agree while there may have been some mdma pills either intentionally or unintentionally with meth both now and back in the day. It would be very hard to accurately mix what I use to get as "moon rocks" were small diamond like rocks. To consistently mix small rocks of meth into mdma and make it look the same and ensure someone gets 20mg meth and 100mg mdma or whatever is a tall order. Also while 5-10mg is the known medical doses for meth, if you or someone you know that has experienced
Meth pills as Desoxyn, old old school pusedo meth or even efederine meth, the school old peanut butter meth, the hells angels old school crank meth when they switch to P2P then later Phenylacetic acid eaters to the now cartel P2P meth
5-10mg of Desoxyn could if done right match the old old school pusedo meth. But it's easy to either over or under reduce with Li or HI depending if it was hot and cold. But it is not cut and dry..
And that cartel meth even doing 100mg does not remotely do SHIT 80% of the time and my experience mixing sub par with subpar is still MEH. And when I mix some what decent meth with mdma or even Amphamine powder in order to stay away on a 5 day festival like LIB or the burn. It might keep me "awake" if it is semi decent and it's hard to find decent in my experience but it nowhere is near to the amount of serotonin and dopamine that gets flooded Vs magic mdma nor is it the same as 5-10mg of that old school D meth in my experience
And I do A LOT and I mean A LOT less meth then mdma. But when I have a magic batch it definitely is magic.
But meh mdma and meh meth is not the business XD
Good dope, like real, old school Meth isn't really hard, and it isn't super transparent either. It also doesn't shard up super huge. Kids these days lol
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unodelacosa
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The risks for MDMA are roughly the same as they are for classic psychedelics like psilocybe mushrooms or mescaline. For either drug, the risk of fatality or permanent brain damage is very, very low and would require a deliberate overdose. Make no mistake, psilocin has an LD₅₀, even if it's not been established. Meanwhile, many of the deaths attributed to a supposed "MDMA overdose" are technically the result of hyperthermia and dehydration. Let's be careful not to inadvertently spread fear, uncertainty, doubt and dezinformatsiya.
I think it's highly likely that it will be both decriminalized and later re-legalized and controlled. Idk if it will happen in our lifetime, but I also never thought we'd see cannabis where it is now, either, so maybe there's hope. It certainly has the potential for therapeutic breakthroughs in guided clinical settings. But idk, I have to remind myself that just because I'm ready for decriminalization/re-legalization does not mean the whole world is … anymore than the whole world's MDMA supply has been tainted by superstition.
Yeah, idk. The Netherlands has been going the other direction lately with respect to drug prohibition.
Really with Netherlands?
unodelacosa
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Yes, really. In recent years the Dutch government has increased enforcement against cocaine, MDMA, and organized drug trafficking networks, which have become a major issue in the country. There have been proposals made to increase prison sentences for serious drug crimes. Also, a 2025 law bans entire categories of new "designer drugs." plus there are ongoing crackdowns on trafficking and large-scale production. This shift is partly because the Netherlands became a major hub for synthetic drugs and cocaine logistics in Europe, which created political pressure for tougher policing.
There has been a shift since the 2000s from a very liberal harm-reduction model toward more focus on crime control and security, although they're still fairly progressive regarding drugs compared to the U.S., U.K. and Germany…
What about Amsterdam
steewith2ees
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unodelacosa
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Amsterdam is the capital city of The Netherlands, so everything I wrote above about the NL applies to Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht, Eindhoven, etc. You'd have to ask a local for more in-depth knowledge of city-to-city effects…
Amsterdam has different rules to some of the rest of the Netherlands
Didgital
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Unfortunately, lab tests don't mean much in this thread. You can upload pdfs/images all day and provide evidence of 99.8% purity in a GCMS report, but here they will say that it's not accounting for hydrates or its not sensitive enough or its misidentifying the peaks. They will fight to the bone that there is something wrong about MDMA today, no matter how many lab tests you bring them
I've even pointed out that GCMS reports often have a few peaks, that all have different retention factors but all have identical spectra. This is possibly accounting for different hydrates or polymorphs, but they're all MDMA, no adulterants. Clean af experientially.
Again I'm not denying the existence of meh-DMA, I've just never had it. I may* have seen it.
OFC there are going to be some producers that don't have the know how to make a 99% product (these are very small time operators), or they just produce so much it's not worth it energy/timewise to turn 100kg of 97% into 99%.
But yeah kills me yall are still here.
In my approx 2 years of working at an analytical lab, we tested id say 50 samples of MDMA over that time. The lowest quality I remember seeing was 95%.
I personally recently acquired a UHPLC/Q-TOF/MS and a house a to put it in, so I'll be posting some results eventually. Not like it's going to matter here.
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unodelacosa
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Depends on whom you're talking to and what that person knows about organic chemistry. It also depends on the lab. To me, it seems almost absurd that a testing facility would not have, on file, the standards/spectra for the vast majority of known—and possibly a few theorethical—impurities from the production of MDMA, including shit like MDDMA and MDTMA.
To be fair, some of those labs feel awfully scammy, and the reports have inconclusive results and unidentified portions.
You've never encountered a bunk pill or some sketchy "molly" that smacks of being an RC? I sure have, but it's been many years ago, and it was never super common.
No, I suspect that sometimes the small-time operators are artisans making some of the best MDMA out there. There's no pressure to hurry, rush out a bunch of batches, and potentially fuck things up. They have small setups but fairly sophisticated gear, and they take their time producing MDMA, MDA, 2C-x drugs, and a handful of other phenethylamines. Think about how many brilliant people used to contribute to the-hive.ws back in the late 90s and early 2000s. These people were exploring the depths of "inner space" with epic kitchen chemistry and lab sheds, 2L and 3L round-bottom flasks and magnetic stirrers, store-bought solvents and "side-synthed" metal catalysts.
Much more likely, in my humble opinion anyway.
Kills me that you let that bother you so much. Also ironic that you're still here, too, you know.
Yeah I believe it. But don't tell that to the superstitiously inclined around here.
Oh stop being so grumpy, would you, please? It is going to matter here, and I look forward to seeing those results. Congrats on the new purchases!
Again – you'd have to ask a local. But from what I can tell, there are no special city-by-city drug laws in The Netherlands. Drug laws are national, not unique to Amsterdam. I think it's just that Amsterdam has more coffeeshops and tourism around cannabis, so their laidback approach to (non-)enforcement of drug laws is more evident in Amsterdam and the bigger cities of the country (Rotterdam, The Hague, et al.).
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ThreePointCircle
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I'm finally accepting xmas is over and am getting round to resubmitting a sample to Kykeon who are going to do this in depth byproducts/contaminants analysis. I sort of interpreted what they said as meaning they would like references for things to be tested. I have the following covered:
MDDMA and MDTMA
1,3-bis (3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-propanamine
N-formyl-1,3-bis (3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-prop-2-yl-amine
but wondered if anyone has good references for other potential candidates to be tested for. And maybe in general a shopping list for what people would be interested to look for. I know these have been mentioned before, so apologies for asking you to repeat yourselves.
Original email from Kykeon (bold words highlighted by me):
"At the moment, the techniques available in our laboratory are HPLC–MS/MS (triple quadrupole) and ¹H-NMR (with ¹³C-NMR when needed), combined with simple solvent-based sample preparation. Although we do not currently have MALDI, high-resolution MS, XRF/XRD to physically isolate the “8%” impurity fraction, we can still perform a meaningful impurity investigation with the tools we have.
Using HPLC–MS/MS, we can design a targeted method to look specifically for known synthesis byproducts, intermediates and structural analogues described in the literature, including possible inhibitory impurities such as 1-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)propan-2-ol. Even without isolating the impurity fraction, MS/MS can detect many low-level components if they ionize under ESI, and we can focus our interpretation on non-MDMA signals.
With NMR, we can perform an impurity-oriented ¹H-NMR scan, which is especially good for identifying certain classes of contaminants (alcohols, aldehydes, amides, unreacted precursors). While very low-concentration impurities may fall below the NMR detection threshold, combining the information from NMR and MS/MS provides a much clearer picture of the impurity profile and can highlight unexpected components.
Based on our experience, a combined HPLC–MS/MS + NMR impurity-focused analysis can still reveal many relevant impurities without needing to physically separate them, and it is the most realistic and technically robust approach we can offer in-house."
MDDMA and MDTMA
1,3-bis (3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-propanamine
N-formyl-1,3-bis (3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-prop-2-yl-amine
but wondered if anyone has good references for other potential candidates to be tested for. And maybe in general a shopping list for what people would be interested to look for. I know these have been mentioned before, so apologies for asking you to repeat yourselves.
Original email from Kykeon (bold words highlighted by me):
"At the moment, the techniques available in our laboratory are HPLC–MS/MS (triple quadrupole) and ¹H-NMR (with ¹³C-NMR when needed), combined with simple solvent-based sample preparation. Although we do not currently have MALDI, high-resolution MS, XRF/XRD to physically isolate the “8%” impurity fraction, we can still perform a meaningful impurity investigation with the tools we have.
Using HPLC–MS/MS, we can design a targeted method to look specifically for known synthesis byproducts, intermediates and structural analogues described in the literature, including possible inhibitory impurities such as 1-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)propan-2-ol. Even without isolating the impurity fraction, MS/MS can detect many low-level components if they ionize under ESI, and we can focus our interpretation on non-MDMA signals.
With NMR, we can perform an impurity-oriented ¹H-NMR scan, which is especially good for identifying certain classes of contaminants (alcohols, aldehydes, amides, unreacted precursors). While very low-concentration impurities may fall below the NMR detection threshold, combining the information from NMR and MS/MS provides a much clearer picture of the impurity profile and can highlight unexpected components.
Based on our experience, a combined HPLC–MS/MS + NMR impurity-focused analysis can still reveal many relevant impurities without needing to physically separate them, and it is the most realistic and technically robust approach we can offer in-house."
Didgital
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I dont use the term molly...
If it smacks like an rc, than its an rc...
Its not bad mdma.
Its a completely different drug being misrepresented as MDMA.... and therefore not meh-mdma
If youre saying most meh-dma was fake cathinones and not mdma in the first place, we can finally agree on something.
And unfortunately all i have is gcms and hplc and polarimeter atm.
Soon q-tof/ms
Didgital
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Its a database... if u scrounge the internet.. the spectral data for most known compounds are available. If not... u can compare the spectral data to shulgin index.... for rare things.
If you were an underground testing lab, why WHOULDNT you have known spectral data to compare samples to...??
Sadly i dont have an NMR, and im not sure i could use it if i did. Its more physics than chemistry..
Still.. I dont meed an NMR to know that meh-DMA is basically a myth...
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Didgital
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Would generally agree here.
unodelacosa
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I've been saying this for years now in this very thread. You know where I fall on this topic. My biggest thing is that none of us can even know or prove any of these speculations. It's all just conjecture, so really, who cares? I pointed out many months ago that "what's wrong with today's MDMA" doesn't apply to substances that are not, in fact, MDMA. But let's not play semantics, right?
You're a real sleuth, you know that? Can't slide one past you
Not that Idk what you mean, and not to nitpick, but what is a "fake cathinone"? All the cathinones I've known and loved, liked, hated, or was kinda neutral-ish on, all of them were not what I would consider "fake". They were real… a real shit experience sometimes, haha, but real nonetheless, and sold/bought as what they really were. So maybe "imposter MDMA" is the right term. Now I'm playing semantics
But we're clearly talking about compounds other than MDMA that wind up in a batch of what's represented as "MDMA". The extent to which this has been done intentionally or unintentionally is not known, but to think that MDMA itself has somehow fundamentally changed isn't just idiotic, it's a powerful blend of ignorant and superstitious, something I'm going to call "super stupid".
At any rate, Intentional dilution is very possible, and so is sloppy, large-scale clandestine chemistry introducing byproducts that are not removed, all of this knowingly or not. But I haven't personally had a lackluster MDMA experience in well over a decade+ and it seems like the phenomenon is locally contained in certain spots, so I don't really care but so much, ya know? The various theories have been interesting to ponder though. It's like conspiracy theories. I rarely, if ever, believe any of them or give them much credence, but they're very entertaining sometimes, and they reveal certain things about how people think.
unodelacosa
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This is what I said! That's why I'm like, howTF is Energy Control in Spain gonna sit there and say they don't have the spectral data for MDDMA and MDTMA. I have that data in my copy of The Shulgin Index FFS. It's not like some esoteric wizardry. The Merck Manuel likely has it. That's why I think those services are a scam.
Exactly.
Whatever, either one of us could figure it out, I'm sure.
It's a mythunderstanding, lol