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Jesus christ why would you shoot 7oh? Save the needle for the really good stuff imo. I didnt even waste oxy by shooting it i always ate it cause thats the way it worked best. However diludid and morphine work best IV. Though oral morphine does work for me
 
ave the needle for the really good stuff imo. I didnt even waste oxy by shooting it i always ate it cause thats the way it worked best.

Exactly. Many benzos and opioids have excellent oral bioavailability and are meant to be taken orally.

The only thing I shoot is heroin.

Note: Don't start shooting opiates. It goes nowhere good.
 
well opioids --- dilaudid like 15% oral bioavailability and gives a better rush than H. Morphine like 30% (opiate not oid I suppose but still) -- actually heroin has a higher oral bioavailability than morphine.....

. IV oxy was a giant thing and idk i have done it and thought 'not worth the poke' compared to oral/insufflated. 85% oral or something -- that other 15 percent aint worth it
 
Exactly. Many benzos and opioids have excellent oral bioavailability and are meant to be taken orally.

The only thing I shoot is heroin.

Note: Don't start shooting opiates. It goes nowhere good.

I can confirm the path leads nowhere good
 
Well no never use a needle period...never seems to end well. But since guy already is shooting H (which I can only hope is H)
 
dilaudid like 15% oral bioavailability and gives a better rush than H.

Eh, that's debatable. The amount of fuck around required if you want to do it right - using proper filters to remove binders/fillers and such - is not worth it, in my opinion. I'd rather just shoot a larger amount of H.

. IV oxy was a giant thing and idk i have done it and thought 'not worth the poke' compared to oral/insufflated. 85% oral or something -- that other 15 percent aint worth it

Absolutely not worth it.

But since guy already is shooting H (which I can only hope is H)

I'm in Australia which has traditionally had a good record when it comes to proper, high purity H, but recently I have got fucked up by stuff that obviously had something else in it. Not sure whether it was fent or nitazenes, but what I found (to my dismay) was that Suboxone does NOT work with whatever was in my "h". Best case I found that subs were ineffective compared to previous times, and worse case I was put into precipitated withdrawal which knocked me out worse than any WD I've previous been through is (which is dozens upon dozens).

It's quite a shock when you take 32mg subs and it knocks you on your fucking arse.... sweating, spinning, puking, shitting, etc like never before for close to 48 hours before it even lets up a little.
 
Eh, that's debatable. The amount of fuck around required if you want to do it right - using proper filters to remove binders/fillers and such - is not worth it, in my opinion. I'd rather just shoot a larger amount of H.



Absolutely not worth it.



I'm in Australia which has traditionally had a good record when it comes to proper, high purity H, but recently I have got fucked up by stuff that obviously had something else in it. Not sure whether it was fent or nitazenes, but what I found (to my dismay) was that Suboxone does NOT work with whatever was in my "h". Best case I found that subs were ineffective compared to previous times, and worse case I was put into precipitated withdrawal which knocked me out worse than any WD I've previous been through is (which is dozens upon dozens).

It's quite a shock when you take 32mg subs and it knocks you on your fucking arse.... sweating, spinning, puking, shitting, etc like never before for close to 48 hours before it even lets up a little.

Ive never done H as i have usually had a opiate script so why bother with street gear? I was going to try it once years ago when my script ran out but the guy ran out and only had dilaudid which i was ok with getting. One thing i hated about coke (and one reason im glad i quit) is you have no idea how much your actually using. Atleast with pharmaceutical's you always know how much your using. I ended up having a seizure from coke the only problem i ever had from IVing pills was getting cotton fever twice. But that was from the water i was using not the pills themselves.

I always use a micron filter when i can and this only takes about 2 minutes longer to prep up then just using cotton. I never used a micron filter for coke though. Sadly the needle exchange here is out of micron filters and has no idea if they are getting anymore. They are expensive as fuck online to so i dont know wtf im gonna do
 
Atleast with pharmaceutical's you always know how much your using

Oh absolutely. It's so nice knowing what you are taking and how much compared to the crap shoot (pun not intended) of street gear. But we work with what we must, and I have been lucky to find some very good sources who sell H with no other shit in it.

the only problem i ever had from IVing pills was getting cotton fever twice. But that was from the water i was using not the pills themselves.

What water did you use?!

I'm using saline all day, every day.

And yes micron filters are the right way to do it if you're going to shoot pills. The gear I get here in Aus is number 4 and dissolves real quick into some saline so there's virtually no prep (except for an antiseptic wipe on the shooting spot if I'm feeling fancy).
 
Oh absolutely. It's so nice knowing what you are taking and how much compared to the crap shoot (pun not intended) of street gear. But we work with what we must, and I have been lucky to find some very good sources who sell H with no other shit in it.



What water did you use?!

I'm using saline all day, every day.
And yes micron filters are the right way to do it if you're going to shoot pills. The gear I get here in Aus is number 4 and dissolves real quick into some saline so there's virtually no prep (except for an antiseptic wipe on the shooting spot if I'm feeling fancy).

When i got the cotton fever i was using boiled tap water. Usually i use sterile water from the needle exchange but in this case i had run out and was flat broke. I strongly recommend using sterile water from the needle exchange and nothing else. You should stock up on it like i do

Ya my really good friend from Aus had heroin once when she was 16 and it was number 4. She said she smoked it then puked so hard cause she had no tolerance lol
 
Eh, that's debatable. The amount of fuck around required if you want to do it right - using proper filters to remove binders/fillers and such - is not worth it, in my opinion. I'd rather just shoot a larger amount of H.

Well personal metabolism varies-- oh you mean the rush, I suppose it is subjective--- but the vast majority of ppl experienced in both prefer the hydromorphone rush. They were the safest pills to shoot of any pill I have ever heard of ..... What binder in what brand was harmful?

Some idgets backloaded em and swore by it. In the US I would feel safer shooting dilaudid than "heroin"

Absolutely not worth it.

Absolutely not. That is the contrast 15% v 85% -- one of those I can see a person going well son of a bitch I want 100% not 15 and be reasonable. But 85 v 100 -- may as well shoot a benzo.

I'm in Australia which has traditionally had a good record when it comes to proper, high purity H, but recently I have got fucked up by stuff that obviously had something else in it. Not sure whether it was fent or nitazenes, but what I found (to my dismay) was that Suboxone does NOT work. with whatever was in my "h". Best case I found that subs were ineffective compared to previous times, and worse case I was put into precipitated withdrawal which knocked me out worse than any WD I've previous been through is (which is dozens upon dozens).

Darn Australia is a tough walnut to break for drug smugglers -- if they hittin you guy's h at the prices it runs .. bad news for everyone. Similar thing happened to me but it was about 2015 -- all of a sudden the dope cut straight through suboxone. I fell out on a half back 24 hours after taking 4 mgs a sub every day for a long time before that..... pwd are about the most miserable thing on earth and i am sorry you went through that!!

I would honestly start forming a plan RIGHT NOW if I were you, IME once they start cutting something it never goes back and only gets worse. Took me fallin out twice to figure out! I truly hope I am wrong and this was a bad batch!


It's quite a shock when you take 32mg subs and it knocks you on your fucking arse.... sweating, spinning, puking, shitting, etc like never before for close to 48 hours before it even lets up a little.

You went through precip for 48 hours!?? Or did I misinterpret
 
Hey Notsmokeymcpot, thanks for the quality responses!

They were the safest pills to shoot of any pill I have ever heard of ..... What binder in what brand was harmful?

I have no idea. Honestly speaking, I just believed that any binders and fillers in tablets were bad news and to be avoided. I don't actually know which specific tablets are more harmful. That's an interesting point and it'd be good to learn more about the specifics.

Darn Australia is a tough walnut to break for drug smugglers -- if they hittin you guy's h at the prices it runs .. bad news for everyone.

Australia is indeed a unique environment - we pay out the arse for drugs here. Like insanely high prices.

I would honestly start forming a plan RIGHT NOW if I were you, IME once they start cutting something it never goes back and only gets worse.

This is exactly what I'm doing, my friend! (Forming a plan, I mean.) What worries me is that nitazenes are showing up quite a bit in Australia, and those are far less understood than fent but can be equal in strength (or higher, but it really depends on which nitazene and which fentanyl we're talking about). The gear I was using for a few months was definitely H but it was laced with something very strong. Whatever it was, Suboxone did not do much to stem the WDs and in fact seemed to throw me into precipitated WDs despite me having waited more than long enough (and being very sick).

The 48 hours thing... well it was more like 36 hours, but it was still a nightmare. I took my normal amount of subs but didn't feel better, and in fact started feeling a bit worse. That had not happened before, and I didn't think it was precip from H because I've done this so many times and know the timings and doses that work for me. So I took a larger dose of subs, and all hell broke loose. I was struck down; when it hit I staggered to the bed, lay down and didn't get up for 36 hours (except for a few crawling to the toilet to purge trips). For those hours I was awake and delirious and almost tripping, like it was a different dimension, a liminal space - I was dissociated, sweating, freezing cold (even though I was in heavy clothing and under my blanket and the temp was 32 degrees Celsius LOL), and in a special kind of pain.

I found a different source after that experience, but I think you are correct that once the box has been opened it will not be closed again. Nitazenes are frightening substances and are likely to just keep turning up from now on because, like fent, they are cheap and ultra potent.

You know the worst thing? I live in Melbourne where a free substance testing service has been set up (by Tronica, the Bluelight Manager, and her colleagues, no less) and I never used it. Fuck! All I needed to do was take in a small amount (like 10-20mg) and have it tested for free, no need to give personal info out. I so regret not keeping just a tiny bit and having it tested.

But I guess that's kind of the thing about being a "full-timer" with opiates (i.e. chemically dependent) - even 10mg is precious.
 
I absolutely agree as a rule pills are not to be shot.

once you break that precipous of course there is a spectrum of safety between which ones are "safe" to shoot and which ones make sense to shoot.

I know they drew up clear even at 24mg (Which as you know does not neccessarily mean binder free) the old yellow ones in particular with K's on them I believe. The m/4 m/8's drew clean too.

Good on you -- Yup i believe nitazines or xylazine are what got me as the effects lasted a long arse time but were distinctively not an H high -- cold, almost just "Conscioous or asleep" be lucky if there was fent or any H in it prolly

Nitazenes and suboxone seem not to play well with eachother but that was indeed the route i went when i started falling out on half packs and shite (only happened twice but thats 2 times too many!) --- 36 damn, I think I usually waited like 12 hours! But I normally had morphine .. was just gettin into the habit of dope when it went bad. Bang for buck, I had medicaid still before ze fuhrer took it away -- suboxone was the the cheapest and only legal way to get past. (Didnt hurt I was about to start probation and woulda had to do rehab anyways -- was able to skate by using a sub clinic as my 'rehab' proactively. hehe lol

(Really another example of the double tiered justice system in the US -- said it before, suboxone is green privelage) -- NO MEDICATION JAILS THOUGH (Feels criminal, always went Medical than Legal in priority order; and indeed someone died from w/d's in our local jail -- well "starvation" was the listed reason which is worse arguably -- but if you read the article it was clear)

Damn I am so sorry about the precip!! That is a nightmare that few people know the excruciation of.

Oh you are lucky you got a testing place --- lol we gotta wait for someone to get busted to find out whats in there (Thats how it works now days it seems from my observation around here) -- That is an invaluable service and BL and Tronica are awesome for providing it!!

Been there myself gettin 2 packs -- "man that test shot could kill my whole rush" another famous last words thread deserving thought.

Morphine pills required some work or more water than you would wanna run. Probably pretty unsafe since most were ER and had wax -- not like timerx level or anything though.
Than there was pills like ritalin that were known to cause certain problems pretty much period if you did it extensively.
 
and indeed someone died from w/d's in our local jail -- well "starvation" was the listed reason which is worse arguably -- but if you read the article it was clear)

What an absolute nightmare scenario. Like, that is actually something I am afraid of (somehow being incarcerated or stuck somewhere and forced to cold turkey). I can't think of much worse than fucking dying from withdrawals in jail. That's so inhumane. Unbelievable.

That is an invaluable service and BL and Tronica are awesome for providing it!!

Fuck yeah, it's invaluable. It is awesome to see someone from this community make tangible change. Tronica deserves massive credit for her work.

said it before, suboxone is green privelage

Excuse the ignorance, but what does "green privilege" mean"?
 
What an absolute nightmare scenario. Like, that is actually something I am afraid of (somehow being incarcerated or stuck somewhere and forced to cold turkey). I can't think of much worse than fucking dying from withdrawals in jail. That's so inhumane. Unbelievable.

Something I had to come straight up against; my case was a very beatable constructive poss of mj paraphanelia and I was not the driver nor was it my pipe. I would have fought that I probably woulda ended up in a no medication jail and at the time I was on sub and even worse c lam (HEAVY!).... So I basically had to plea guilty to avoid the 4 days in jail or w/e --- shoulda used the prison pocket but when your life is on the line.......Spend the $$ on a lawyer if ya have it.

Fuck yeah, it's invaluable. It is awesome to see someone from this community make tangible change. Tronica deserves massive credit for her work.
Absolutely --- I think she owns the site now but dont qoute me on that (Im sure it can be searched)
Excuse the ignorance, but what does "green privilege" mean"?

Financial privelage -- If you can afford suboxone you effectively get to have a legal opioid habit -- albeit not a choice opioid partial agonist BS. I believe MOST PLACES you get your suboxone in jail ... these no medication jails seem like a violation of rights not to mention a real recipe for bad news!! ( The last thing I want if Im running a prison is for them to be off there meds )

If you don't you are going sick -- which almost surely means back to the streets where you risk getting busted again or killed etc
 
What an absolute nightmare scenario. Like, that is actually something I am afraid of (somehow being incarcerated or stuck somewhere and forced to cold turkey). I can't think of much worse than fucking dying from withdrawals in jail. That's so inhumane. Unbelievable.



Fuck yeah, it's invaluable. It is awesome to see someone from this community make tangible change. Tronica deserves massive credit for her work.



Excuse the ignorance, but what does "green privilege" mean"?
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Thank you much
 
Mate, what? first off, ADHD happens to both genders, it is just more commonly diagnosed in boys. Secondly, ADHD is something you are born with and doesn't go away but can be helped with medication like Adderall
Not in my days it only was diagnosed in boys mainly. Called MBD. Minimal Brain damage, the theory Oxygen shortage during birth ? Correct where wrong.

It was believed to resolved after puberty. Knew someone that had that stigma.
It was not medicated then in his case don t know if they used ADHD med s. Amphetamine was around but no idea. In 197.. that was the medical gospel.

Totally agree that whatever ADHD is not sex discriminative. And doesn t go away with age naturally. So sorry for confusing we share the same believe. Dorian B story too is about this though she seem s younger then me.
 
Sorry to hear about your brother but unless you physically jump over the counter and help yourself then I would think not .
Looking for stuff around the house to iv is desperate to say the least ,most people have things like aspirin,paracetamol and ibuprofen lying around not anything that would get you high ,hospitalised maybe
In the end I just took a syringe (the ones with no needle) and shot sertraline into a cut vein I had at the time. Gave a nice warm feeling. Better than snorting it
 
What an absolute nightmare scenario. Like, that is actually something I am afraid of (somehow being incarcerated or stuck somewhere and forced to cold turkey). I can't think of much worse than fucking dying from withdrawals in jail.
While it does suck, it's not the end of the world. I've unfortunately have gone thru w/d in jail on more then one occasion, I believe 2 or 3 times.

One of the times I was in a jail where they have an introduction pod, so I was in a cell by myself for the first week.. which made going thru the w/d better then having to go thru it in front of a cellmate, or a whole dorm. I went thru all symptoms in the cell, but after it was done.. I felt good. I got my appetite back, and started eating like crazy.. eating everyone else's food they didn't want, and got my weight up. That was the only way for me to get clean, as I damn sure wasn't doing it willingfully. So I was actually thankful that I got to get clean, and get my weight up. I remained in jail for like 9 months, and eventually was released to an impatient program.

The second time, I was put in a dorm and I pretty much stayed on my bunk for 3 days straight, other then to piss and shit. Skipped out on chow most times, but on the third day went just to grab the juice and fruit. Slept most of the w/d off. Had to deal with the restless legs, but didn't have much of the hot and cold which was a God send. Crazy thing is, I went to court on the 4th day, and was let go from the courthouse. So went thru all that, just to be let go. Left the court house, walked to the grocery store which was right down the street, grabbed 3 big bottles of Instant Coffee, brought them to the customer service desk, returned them without a receipt.. got around $22, which was enough to take the city bus to the hood, and go buy 2 bags and some loose cigarettes, and picked right back up where I left off from. XD
 
Not in my days it only was diagnosed in boys mainly. Called MBD. Minimal Brain damage, the theory Oxygen shortage during birth ? Correct where wrong.

It was believed to resolved after puberty. Knew someone that had that stigma.
It was not medicated then in his case don t know if they used ADHD med s. Amphetamine was around but no idea. In 197.. that was the medical gospel.

Totally agree that whatever ADHD is not sex discriminative. And doesn t go away with age naturally. So sorry for confusing we share the same believe. Dorian B story too is about this though she seem s younger then me.
Ohhh, lol. Sorry for the misunderstanding
 
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