Addiction is really stupid

[ledbyher]

i'm behind money wise and skill wise but i'm still a spring chicken and i know it's not too late.

 

[washingtonbound]

still stuck in the game of not dealing with being uncomfortable, realising I can do a few days of pain to feel good for a short while.

When I plug out of the sensation seeking etc, I feel everything turn to nothings my ego screams and bends for its control.

No megadosing of psychedelics or meditation has fixed this. Every part of body aches and hurts.

I do it good, ie throwing myself into exercise, healthy eating, doing things for others etc, then when it stops working so the bad rinse repeat.

I’m not comfortable and never have been. I try to let go but it just becomes physical agony and mental of course unless I’ve taken stimulants.

It all passes by yes but into something else. I enjoy sleeping which is why I ponder about death

I can really relate to the uncomfortable feeling. Lately I have started becoming more bothered by eating for instance. No matter how well I eat, I’ll always just digest it and have to eat again or starve. Even if I sleep well, the morning will come and you’re stuck in the loop again. Been unemployed for years and I become extremely restless sitting around. However, the last job I had, I was miserable after a month and couldn’t stand it.

I guess what I’m getting at is the constant loop of needing to satisfy your body or mind or whatever is just unpleasant in general and that’s what I think Buddhism gets at, ridding yourself of the attachments as much as possible to hopefully remove yourself from the cycle.

 

[TheOldHippiebilly]

Alcohol is especially ugly

I'm a recovering alcoholic who also endured severe addictions to IV cocaine, opioids, & methamphetamine.

Alcohol caused me more problems by far than all the others combined.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

you seem bound to find an answer in religion and if you do, god bless!

uncomfortable --- noone better to ask than an aurelius --- isn't "Uncomfortable, searching for more" kind of the state of all humans?

Yea you dont wanna get stuck in a loop --- work can feel ALOT like biological fulfillment a loop as well, just a heads up since you say its been awhile

I can really relate to the uncomfortable feeling. Lately I have started becoming more bothered by eating for instance. No matter how well I eat, I’ll always just digest it and have to eat again or starve. Even if I sleep well, the morning will come and you’re stuck in the loop again. Been unemployed for years and I become extremely restless sitting around. However, the last job I had, I was miserable after a month and couldn’t stand it.

I guess what I’m getting at is the constant loop of needing to satisfy your body or mind or whatever is just unpleasant in general and that’s what I think Buddhism gets at, riding yourself of the attachments as much as possible to hopefully remove yourself from the cycle.

 

[KurtAurelius]

I'm a recovering alcoholic who also endured severe addictions to IV cocaine, opioids, & methamphetamine.

Alcohol caused me more problems by far than all the others combined.

I’ve been addicted to Opioids, Benzodiazepines and Ketamine, Alcohol was my closet run in to permanent and irreversible damage.

I was drinking 700ml of Rum a Day by the time I was 21.

The way I felt is the deterrent that has made it so next month in March would have been 4 years without a drop.

I’ve started re-taking Opioids in that time on and off alongside stimulants and cannabis but I’ll always pay myself the respect that so far I’ve never even considered having a single drop. Not even at my lowest.

Awful awful stuff, I know it’s cliche but it’s so unbelievably true

 

[washingtonbound]

I’ve been addicted to Opioids, Benzodiazepines and Ketamine, Alcohol was my closet run in to permanent and irreversible damage.

I was drinking 700ml of Rum a Day by the time I was 21.

The way I felt is the deterrent that has made it so next month in March would have been 4 years without a drop.

I’ve started re-taking Opioids in that time on and off alongside stimulants and cannabis but I’ll always pay myself the respect that so far I’ve never even considered having a single drop. Not even at my lowest.

Awful awful stuff, I know it’s cliche but it’s so unbelievably true

And it’s the one main substance that’s legal and socially acceptable, really sick when you think about it

 

[streaM Freak]

It's pretty incredible how alcohol makes our decision making so terrible. It's the one substance that I can't recall making a notable decision that benefitted me.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

we all agree here than going thru an opiate wd is worse than thc wd

Is Kratom a Opiod > then no. Plain leaf WD over Cannabis cessation any day for me.

 

[ledbyher]

Is Kratom a Opiod > then no. Plain leaf WD over Cannabis cessation any day for me.

you may be an outlier? i had heard most kratom was very wide spectrum and thus pretty hard to come off a solid habit.

 

[ledbyher]

i get more anhedonia for months after quitting weed usually weeks-months.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Do we all agree there is no w/d addiction involved in putting your cellphone down.

How about when you stop drinking 3 coffees a day

It is not that I have zero sympathy -- it is just something I don't particularly register as an addiction. Nor would I coffee or screen time ( I dont own a celly but im sure on BL alot! .. but when my internet goes down, no biggie!)

No seen it with phones, PC screen s, TV s, hording. Saw a great movie last night 'The Whale' which also about food addiction. The mechanic s very much resembled drug addiction. Imo feelling bad, taking it to relive, come down, guild and the consequences.

But you are right one shoe doesn t seem fit 4 all. Had no WD from Tobacco.
Coffee needed way more time for my body to adjust to without. Personal chemistry.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

you may be an outlier? i had heard most kratom was very wide spectrum and thus pretty hard to come off a solid habit.

It is hard, but physical and worst over in a week. Cannabis way harder a lot mentally. Depressive/ agitated/ hyper. But also insomnia, lack of appetite. For me it s harder.
Trust me if stop Weed you ll notice and it last s. My Kratom WD s assuming i got addicted and didn t taper. You won t. Necessarily.

Weed get s me through times of no Kratom better then other way.
But my YoYo-ing drug s is more [sometimes lesser] under control. Old age.

when not available. Was a good point made. Even prescription s get stopped every once in while, well mine. But it s good to have other thing s. Either way would love to get it at least a bit out of my mind.That would help living more relaxing.


In a time kot s of interacting with the outside world took place. Did that under influence and 1/2 year and then 2 year without. About ~ the same circumstances.

So using that as reference and what sober then felt to me.Was not that convincing. Rather use the suffer a few, and enjoy the rest rhythm. When in rough weather.

Just back stabbed by society repeatedly. Great excuse. Sobering up a bit.
Sound s great Wonder what other people experiences were.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

i get more anhedonia for months after quitting weed usually weeks-months.

Me too. Quitting Kratom is real flu like bad. Muscle aches goose bumps. Like your skin is to tight. But somehow way more manageable then persisting anhedonia & apathy. Seem they overlap. Pure mental torture.

Lasted my full sober period s 1/2 & 2 year s. Everything flat-lined. Was there did all.
Got no good or bad memory s, thinking about it. But from the other post get you have no experience with Kratom ?

In general the WD s are way worse, don t wanna give the wrong idea.
Chronic addict. Been doing it since teen year s.

 

[ledbyher]

i tried 9 months sober i didn't really get very close back to 'normal'.

 

[washingtonbound]

Me too. Quitting Kratom is real flu like bad. Muscle aches goose bumps. Like your skin is to tight. But somehow way more manageable then persisting anhedonia & apathy. Seem they overlap. Pure mental torture.

Lasted my full sober period s 1/2 & 2 year s. Everything flat-lined. Was there did all.
Got no good or bad memory s, thinking about it. But from the other post get you have no experience with Kratom ?

In general the WD s are way worse, don t wanna give the wrong idea.
Chronic addict. Been doing it since teen year s.

I’m lucky that Kratom and opiates in general never did much for me. With Kratom I might feel a slight mood lift for a short period, accompanied by strong agitation. Felt that way with Percocet as well.

Therefore never went down the opiate rabbit hole since I never enjoyed them much.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

When I say addiction is stupid, I don’t mean to demean anyone or imply that people struggling with it are stupid. I’ve just noticed now that I’m older, how substance dependency is flat out bullshit that solves nothing. Whatever short term “benefits” you get from a drug occur only because your receptors are being tricked, and the brain adapts quickly to the point where you need the drug just to feel normal. There is absolutely nothing solved by tricking the brain like this repeatedly. I have thankfully gotten rid of past substance dependencies with the exception of nicotine, which I simply hate. I’ve gotten addicted to the pouches and logically know how stupid it is, withdrawal starts fast, but I have gotten my brain changed to crave it in an endless feedback loop. It helps nothing, and it is a worthless pursuit.

Addiction certainly gets in the way of well being and causes enslavement, and while causal use is possible, some of us tend to slip off the deep end more than others.

Spoken yet again by someone who clearly hasn't understood the simple equation of a Real Heroin addiction.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I had a brief stint with opiates and benzos and realized they were destructive in different ways than psychedelics.

1) anything that is Tryptamines related cannot be addictive or "destructive"
2) Please don't speak about Opiates when by your own post you have very limited experience of them, would I dare go lecture someone like the UFC Legend Khabib Nurmagomedov about Brazil Jujitsu after having 3 lessons? No I wouldn't as I would look Foolish, go figure

 

[washingtonbound]

1) anything that is Tryptamines related cannot be addictive or "destructive"
2) Please don't speak about Opiates when by your own post you have very limited experience of them, would I dare go lecture someone like the UFC Legend Khabib Nurmagomedov about Brazil Jujitsu after having 3 lessons? No I wouldn't as I would look Foolish, go figure

There was a period of three weeks when I developed a Percocet habit. My best friend at the time got addicted and went from taking 20mg to 300mg a day. I was able to get off of them because there were enough unpleasant effects that made it easy to kick.

I can speak on my experience from seeing my friend turn into a terrible person from his addiction that it isn’t something anyone would want to deal with. Not sure what the condensation is about.

 

[ledbyher]

Me too. Quitting Kratom is real flu like bad. Muscle aches goose bumps. Like your skin is to tight. But somehow way more manageable then persisting anhedonia & apathy. Seem they overlap. Pure mental torture.

Lasted my full sober period s 1/2 & 2 year s. Everything flat-lined. Was there did all.
Got no good or bad memory s, thinking about it. But from the other post get you have no experience with Kratom ?

In general the WD s are way worse, don t wanna give the wrong idea.
Chronic addict. Been doing it since teen year s.

i'm a downer guy so i love kratom. i live in aus and there are no domestic sources -.-

i have got it through customs a couple times, a 5x extract was such a treat to me.

i would probably be addicted to kratom rn if we had laxer laws around it.

i think the wd's of kratom would wipe me out tho...

 

[emkee_reinvented]

i'm a downer guy so i love kratom. i live in aus and there are no domestic sources -.-

i have got it through customs a couple times, a 5x extract was such a treat to me.

i would probably be addicted to kratom rn if we had laxer laws around it.

i think the wd's of kratom would wipe me out tho...

Never quit both at the same time that s for sure. Cannabis for all i know the PAW last s forever, persisted 2 year. Nothing like the acute WD of Kratom short and strong. When physically addicted to it.

Other Opiod s never really tried them. Good thing love downer s. all kind s.
Would be a great 'Junky' if i d led me. Don t see getting sober as a option atm.
Restricting seems the best next thing. Might work on that in the near future.

The lasting soberness problem s people experience at least prov we are not alone