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Addiction is really stupid

notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
I am going to call fallacy here too. I have personally been ready to throw the towel in or do something very rash on many occasions. Smoking a joint and sitting back and running the logistics on any 'rash' decision I was going to make almost always keeps me from doing said rash thing....and when it doesnt I don't regret it. ( I thought it through and chose to act )

What about the guy who was gunna kill himself but just took a handfull of benzos and went to sleep to deal with it tomorrow (sure the problem is still there but some cool down time IS GOOD).

Perhaps I have been / am that guy in all cases.


Nicotine is a shitty addiction for sure. None are great -- I am NOT ADVOCATING FOR ADDICTION. I want to be clear on that!!




This is a fallacy! I agree being addicted is certainly an anchor/obstacle not a path to success. "Ultimate happiness lies in sobriety" -- There are many paths to happiness. Sobriety is not the only one - I would like you to realize that.

The guy who has a drink or a cigar to celebrate a promotion. The fella that enjoys a joint after a satisfying day at work. Drugs should be used to enhance and celebrate life. (As a rule)

I dont know I think people see it as "Drugs are used to escape things" --- when for me it is is "Drugs are used to enhance things or deal with very short term problems"
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I reworded that last bit because it didn’t quite convey what I was trying to say. I was trying to make the point that in my case, any kind of substance use comes with a strong low afterward, and thus decreases my well being over time. It has gotten this way in the past couple years, where smoking a joint means terrible anxiety and a bad time, not relaxing or fun anymore at all, since you mentioned that. And if I get a short term benefit from something, I pay for it afterwards.

However someone else reacts is unique to them but I personally haven’t gotten anything positive from my substance use
 
washingtonbound said:
I reworded that last bit because it didn’t quite convey what I was trying to say. I was trying to make the point that in my case, any kind of substance use comes with a strong low afterward, and thus decreases my well being over time. It has gotten this way in the past couple years, where smoking a joint means terrible anxiety and a bad time, not relaxing or fun anymore at all, since you mentioned that. And if I get a short term benefit from something, I pay for it afterwards.

However someone else reacts is unique to them but I personally haven’t gotten anything positive from my substance use
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That is fair -- everyone is different.

I do not think I slept 8 hours straight in my entire life till I discovered marijuana. Was also kind of a violent prick (hate to admit it -- I only made it to 13 I didnt do that much harm)

Who knows maybe these 25 years have been the short term benefit and the rest of my life is really gunna be some backlash?
 
There are many completely Happy Sober people. It's a state of mind. And of course they can be
Happy. They have many other things to be happy about. And one would be ... they aren't ' addicted. '

Just a different perspective from the Sober point of view. I see sober people all of the time ... that are
completely Happy. So it is possible to be Sober all of the time and if it is something that you are familiar
with and comfortable with, it can be a Superpower.

If not, just Be Careful !

Smile. Have a Good Day. You can. It's a good habit to practice. ;)<3
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
That is fair -- everyone is different.

I do not think I slept 8 hours straight in my entire life till I discovered marijuana. Was also kind of a violent prick (hate to admit it -- I only made it to 13 I didnt do that much harm)

Who knows maybe these 25 years have been the short term benefit and the rest of my life is really gunna be some backlash?
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I would just recommend staying away from the concentrates as that’s what started to really do me in with THC. Was common to sit around doing dabs in my friend group and this shot tolerance up and started increased agitation during withdrawal. I saw a friend of mine in acute withdrawal who used wax all the time and it wasn’t pretty.

If you can manage to be fairly sober during work/tasks that require focus and enjoy a joint to unwind at the end of the day, not saying there’s anything wrong with that, just to be aware of the addictive risks with the super high THC % stuff.
 
i would be in recovery and sober if i wasn't on invega.. if u haven't been on it for a while, u won
t know what it does to kill joy.
 
like i feel enlightened when i'm high and i have all the naswers but it never seems to transfer to teh come down i just forget everythign most of th eimte its very unreliable..
 
Well just stay high? --- I had to cop out too. I do not feel enlightened or like I have all of the answers or any nonsense like that. Life is just slightly more enjoyable.

hypothetically in a world close to ours --- I dont know if I been sober in 25 years lmao (Minus two years of probation which felt like 20)

No w/ds from weed though -- the not sleeping again was by far the worst part.

I will staunchly argue that THC is not addictive and if you think it is you need to do a few months on a short acting opioid; endure the week of w/d and get back to me and about that weed addiction.
 
of course we do!

Do we all agree there is no w/d addiction involved in putting your cellphone down.

How about when you stop drinking 3 coffees a day

It is not that I have zero sympathy -- it is just something I don't particularly register as an addiction. Nor would I coffee or screen time ( I dont own a celly but im sure on BL alot! .. but when my internet goes down, no biggie!)
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
of course we do!

Do we all agree there is no w/d addiction involved in putting your cellphone down.

How about when you stop drinking 3 coffees a day

It is not that I have zero sympathy -- it is just something I don't particularly register as an addiction. Nor would I coffee or screen time ( I dont own a celly but im sure on BL alot! .. but when my internet goes down, no biggie!)
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mildest passable addiction would be.. people get really addicted to codeine.

its rly hard to not pick up the phone and arrange getting gear or 420.

psychological beating down can be almost as painful as physical pain.

what are you striving for? what is sacrificed for your aim. who do you sacrifice to achieve your largest goals.
 
still stuck in the game of not dealing with being uncomfortable, realising I can do a few days of pain to feel good for a short while.

When I plug out of the sensation seeking etc, I feel everything turn to nothings my ego screams and bends for its control.

No megadosing of psychedelics or meditation has fixed this. Every part of body aches and hurts.

I do it good, ie throwing myself into exercise, healthy eating, doing things for others etc, then when it stops working so the bad rinse repeat.

I’m not comfortable and never have been. I try to let go but it just becomes physical agony and mental of course unless I’ve taken stimulants.

It all passes by yes but into something else. I enjoy sleeping which is why I ponder about death
 
ledbyher said:
mildest passable addiction would be.. people get really addicted to codeine.

its rly hard to not pick up the phone and arrange getting gear or 420.

psychological beating down can be almost as painful as physical pain.

what are you striving for? what is sacrificed for your aim. who do you sacrifice to achieve your largest goals.
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Codeine is a heavier addiction than pot I promise you this. First probation attempted poss of codeine -- 2 days before probation started I went into my long time doc with a cough and got a bottle of codeine. That was important, I just stopped smoking.
I would set it on my desk during the "Rehab classes" and take a sip of codeine when that fool annoyed me; in a very obvious, standoffish way. (Generally dumb but I did have her job before those 8 classes were over, well she didnt have it and I only did 6 classes!) So I suppose I would have preferred to say nothing and her job was collateral damage --- but she broke confidentiality in a way that put both of us on the spot....

I am in MI and yea it never was hard -- never was any psychological beatdowns involved either. Just boredom and knowledge I wasn't living "my best life"

What am I striving for? To be a content, genuine human being who does not betray my principles. Or do you mean like in life??

What is sacrificed for my aim?? I must have interpreted the question wrong, what have I sacrificed for pot?? Opportunity cost and time - LOTS of both. I will not bullshit about that. If I was giving a "Dont smoke pot" speech it would be --- "You got ALOT you are suppose to achieve during these years of your life and you very well may end up content just sitting around smoking pot -- which will seem fine at the time; than ppl will be moving forward with families, careers, etc and you could still be sitting around smoking pot -- POT ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH FOR A CONTENT LIFE"

Who do I sacrifice to achieve my largest goals? ( I am trying to answer this in good faith here --- so I am going to interpret that as who gets sacrificed or harmed in your pursuit of 'staying high' --- and I wanna go with a classic answer of "Noone that doesnt deserve it" but I will extrapolate --- anyone that MJ offends there delicate sensibilities; anyone who I cannot trust to keep there mouth shut (actually its legal now here so that one can go), mainly my $$ -- lots of my $$ are sacrificed for pot.

I could have alot of cool things (but I have almost all the stuff I want so its kinda a *Shrug* situation) -- not to mention in the same hypothetical world pot definitey provided me with experiences I never would have had, great ppl I never would have met, and some of the best times of my life....... Would I rather have the money? Probably not to be honest.

I did my best to answer fairly and without prejudice
 
i lik e beinga bit perma fried, it's better to have a better facade of under rated.

then you surprise with positive news.

smoking weed for 10 years back to back was productive.

yes it was productive. it prepared me for who i am today.

i'll miss it but i'm going no contact for the best of both of us.
 
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