Fake coke

[4DQSAR]

We did it purely out of curiosity and as usual, I was in the odd squad.

I guess she may have obtained the same 10% solution (still used medically) as my associate did. But you have to appreciate that at the time the stuff was only used by rock stars and their like. I have to say, nobody was that impressed. Even three decades later, the one's I kept in contact with are only so-so about the stuff.

We had no real expectations other than it being a stimulant with a short duration of action. But as I said, just a little bit ruined a couple of evenings/nights for me. That's time I won't get back. So I don't dwell on it but it doesn't suit me.

If people like it, fine. I don't judge someone just because they do or don't consume a chemical.

I hate to generalize but some people drink to become more confident and I do wonder if that might be the attraction? I think I always worry that I will lose my already fragile judgment and I don't like that. I do enough dumb stuff without being 'chemically enhanced'. Nobody can ever accuse ME of being sane ;-)

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I will have to inquire -- I believe it was in the 70s or early 80s -- I don't know if she will recall the strength solution wise but I can ask surely and gain some more context by where it came from.

Unimpressed was her as well -- she said the ppl around her really dug it --- I highly suspect that wasnt the only cocaine they were doing though lol

 

[4DQSAR]

I think you might be describing expectation.

But I think you are right.

Sidewinders (any mixture of uppers and downers) does seem almost how people use such things. Typical that only in the UK did we actually prescribe them. Purple hearts (Dexamyl) were an amphetamine mixed with a barbiturate and no suprise - the Mods lived off those pills.

My dad mentioned he was slightly into the Mod culture and guess what? HIS mother (my grandmother) had been prescribed Dexamyl for depression but she took two and forgot the rest of the bottle. Now my dad would never admit it, but to this day, nobody knows where that bottle went. I have my suspicions...

 

[Ismene2]

Jerry lee lewis said Desbutals - the speed containing with barbiturate- "them motherfuckers were so good they had to ban them. Lord have mercy. I toured all over america on those. You could put your head down and get to sleep in 30 minutes. Best goddamn pill there ever was"

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

The speedball pill was kind of wild -- what was that for medically, just curious?

It get clipped (made illegal) before all barbs or at the same time?

 

[4DQSAR]

In the UK the ONLY example I know of is the original Brompton Cocktail. That was cocaine and diamorphine (heroin) dissoved in alcohol. In fact, the VERY orginal also contained tincture of cannabis. I knew a pharmacist who made up those cocktails. Only for those in pallistive care i.e. about to die.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Huh I thought there was a pill with -- memory dexedrine I wanna say and some kind of barb, ill run a google and see if anything turns up

Guy nailed it desbutal -- methamphetamine and pentobarbital. Damn that is a drug! --- The second one is the one I heard of I think

The Brompton cocktail can be --- nay could be (Sigh) made at home pretty easily....H is hard to source now days with no active cuts

Excuse the A.I overview Desbutal (methamphetamine + pentobarbital) and Dexamyl/Drinamyl (dextroamphetamine + amobarbital) are historical examples of drugs combining a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant (upper) and a barbiturate (downer) in a single pill. Marketed in the mid-20th century, these drugs were used for obesity, depression, and anxiety, but were discontinued due to high potential for abuse and dependence.

Depression anxiety -- now you get what most commonly an SSRI and maybe a z-drug, probably trazadone.....That is a net loss for the good people!! Especially those that enjoy catchin a buzz lol

RE: Pharm cocaine -- solution unknown - source was the wife of a pharmacist. (and again this was in the 70s)

 

[4DQSAR]

Sorry - I thought you were asking what a speedball was used for medically.

Desbutal and Dexamyl were both weight loss medications sometimes used off-label to treat depression or a patient complaining of feeling 'run down'.

Bet they worked!

My grandfather had to pull a 12 hour shift at work and then drive for 12 hours. My grandmother gave him one Drinamyl and in his words, after 24 hours awake, he felt 'fresh as a daisy'. It's funny when an 80 year old tells you about crazy pills.

But he warned me that there was an OTC pill called 'Night Owls' which a friend of his abused. The friend dropped dead of a heart attack at 40. So I was lucky. Even my grandparents gave me the true picture. Fine occassionally, potential very bad if you get hooked.

He died in 1995 and I still think of him every day. My grandmother died in 2018 and I think of her every day. My parents I rarely even bother to think of.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

The Brompton cocktail can be --- nay could be (Sigh) made at home pretty easily....H is hard to source now days with no active cuts

On one atm a 2/ 3 DIY self medicating.

Dextro Amphetamine 15 mg, 3.5 gram Green Malay Kratom & some Cali Cooky Runtz.
Why was there Alcohol in it, was that for keeping thing s in solution. Or the taste.
Or as a active ingredient wonder what ammount if ? Also @4DQSAR as you got first hand info.

A Brompton like coctail. Wtihout stim. The OG is nice described in the book:
'The English Patient' Carravagio the painter also play s a part.

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-s...t/108b37498e84/sub-buzz-2323-1712789152-1.png

 

[Ismene2]

That sounds like the perfect drug - speed and a barb in one pill? If Jerry Lee is right and you could get to sleep if you laid your head down for half an hour? fucking hell. What a drug!! Jerry calls them "Desoxys". He got busted on his plane once with 13 different kinds of amphetamine - but everyone got off because no-one could prove who the drugs belonged to.

I remember Jerry Lee got to a gig late and the promotor said people might want their money back and Jerry said "Listen up ol' hoss, get me a sixpack of beer and I'll take me two of these little old pills and if anyone asks for their money back you give everyone it back"

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

^Desoxyn is just meth in a pill 10mg usually I believe

The OG brompton cocktail was indeed made for ppl on they deathbeds so I imagine doses to be quite 'heroic' but I do not know..... I think the alcohol would be a -- nah they had preservatives -- to keep it sterile? (To add a little kick to everything else cocoaethylene 3x as potent as cocaine and only forms when alcohol is around) --- In the tradition of opium brandy? I got theories but an answer would be cool haha

I do know a homemade brompton adjusted to your current dosing convenience of all 3 variables is a GREAT time and probably the better way to go than getting a "Set ratio/dosage" but I am curious too --- Speedball plus weed and arguably one drink - idk if I ever added the drink honestly --- felt like maximum hedonism levels already lol

 

[Ismene2]

The Jerry Lee book with all this shit in is the Rick Bragg biography of him. Best rock n roll book I've read in years.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Sorry - I thought you were asking what a speedball was used for medically.

Desbutal and Dexamyl were both weight loss medications sometimes used off-label to treat depression or a patient complaining of feeling 'run down'.

Bet they worked!

My grandfather had to pull a 12 hour shift at work and then drive for 12 hours. My grandmother gave him one Drinamyl and in his words, after 24 hours awake, he felt 'fresh as a daisy'. It's funny when an 80 year old tells you about crazy pills.

But he warned me that there was an OTC pill called 'Night Owls' which a friend of his abused. The friend dropped dead of a heart attack at 40. So I was lucky. Even my grandparents gave me the true picture. Fine occassionally, potential very bad if you get hooked.

He died in 1995 and I still think of him every day. My grandmother died in 2018 and I think of her every day. My parents I rarely even bother to think of.

Aye I feel responsible for what I put in my body and I would rather have the barb/meth pill as an option for anxiety depression than an SSRI and trazadone (But trazadone gave me mad RLS, for real didn't have to fake that side effect) and the SSRI's I honestly dropped years ago in favor of a trip or roll on occasion ..... Than just never started takin em again because they never helped IME/O

I suppose a speedball will cure most depression and yea bad to do everyday (Real bad) but still a kickass option. I see why people were so much 'tougher' back than. (false premise but a fun thought)

 

[4DQSAR]

@notsmokeymcpot42088 - once again, on the nail. I belive it was because ticture of cannabis isn't water soluble so that's probaly also a part of it. Germ theory was somewhat adoted by 1896 when Herbert Snow first introduced the Bromptom Cocktail. So while I'm pretty sure absolute alcohol was available, it is costly and experience has shown that while hashish won't readily dissolve in the 40% ethanol spirit drinks common to the UK today, it will dissolved in the 60% overproof spirits it's possible to buy.

It may well have been English cask strength brandy wine which was typically 61% ethanol.

We could surely spend an almost infinite amount of time identifying the various possibiliites but I think the point is that the cocaine was added to offset the sedation caused by the opiate.

As for the tincture of cannabis. Well, the pharmacist explained that while the mixture of cocaine and diamorphine 'brought on the dancing girls', the tincture of cannabis was 'to make them take their clothes off'. I bet whoever taught him explained it in those terms because palliative care is quite depressing for a pharmacist so feeling you made another person's last few days as pleasent as possible would somewhat ameliorate that depression. A typical pharmacist might be making up multiple prescriptions each day knowing each time that a person is suffering.

As to you second post. Again, I can only agree with your assessment.

But I hope we all have a general consensus that at least a sizable proportion of people who consume stimulants pair them with a sedative. Not all, maybe not even a majority, but still quite a lot.

 

[Bleaney]

Just bought some super fake coke off of some old dudes in Portugal, knew it was going to be fake off the bat but whatever. If they get my €40 off of what they call a gram then I guess they need it more than me. It's fine.
Anways, it was cut with salt ofc, but it was not just salt. It was also almost definitely not coke. No numbness at all, just stimulation. Pretty sure it is some sort of weak ass cathinone.
Anyways, I'm just curious if anyone has any guesses as to what it is.

Great username by the way. Slaughterhouse 5 was my first foray into Kurt Vonnegut, and I think it definitely needs a re-visit. I must admit to being lost and confused at times, first time round.

Maybe it's a book that's works much better in printed book format, as opposed to audio book.

If there's different fonts or italics or some other markings used to signify the time and consciousness shifts in the printed book, it would make things much easier to follow.

With the audio book you don't get any kind of 'heads up' at all other than suddenly realising that you don't have a clue wtf is happening any more.

But it all eventually starts to make some kind of sense, and I could sense the book's brilliance and emotional depth. And I'm pretty sure that I'll get a lot more out of it, second time round. Going into it with some kind of notion of familiarity regarding the format.

This was the total opposite of the audio book for Cormac Mcarthy's Blood Meridian, where the narrator used different voices or accents for the different characters, and inserted his own punctuation and quotation marks where there was none in the book. So that was much easier to follow on audiobook as opposed to the printed book.

They could maybe have done something like that for the time and consciousness shifts in Slaughterhouse 5, but alas they didn't.

 

[Tralfamadorian]

Great username by the way. Slaughterhouse 5 was my first foray into Kurt Vonnegut, and I think it definitely needs a re-visit. I must admit to being lost and confused at times, first time round.

Maybe it's a book that's works much better in printed book format, as opposed to audio book.

If there's different fonts or italics or some other markings used to signify the time and consciousness shifts in the printed book, it would make things much easier to follow.

With the audio book you don't get any kind of 'heads up' at all other than suddenly realising that you don't have a clue wtf is happening any more.

But it all eventually starts to make some kind of sense, and I could sense the book's brilliance and emotional depth. And I'm pretty sure that I'll get a lot more out of it, second time round. Going into it with some kind of notion of familiarity regarding the format.

This was the total opposite of the audio book for Cormac Mcarthy's Blood Meridian, where the narrator used different voices or accents for the different characters, and inserted his own punctuation and quotation marks where there was none in the book. So that was much easier to follow on audiobook as opposed to the printed book.

They could maybe have done something like that for the time and consciousness shifts in Slaughterhouse 5, but alas they didn't.

Thank you!
I've read the book a half a dozen times at this point although not in the last two years or so because I lent my copy away and never got it back. As far as I can remember there isn't anything demarcating the time shifts in the book either, and they are sometimes intentionally vague. I've always found it easy to understand but it was also the first "real" book I think I ever read, at age 12 or something.
I've always had a hard time with audiobooks personally. I would recommend reading it again if you feel like it. It is super short.

 

[4DQSAR]

Vonnegut was a versatile author. His mother Edith took her own life by consuming a handful of sleeping pills and he mentions in his writings that when he got down, he would go to the doctor, get a pill that 'fixed me up' - Ritalin.

Later he also tried to take his own life mixing sleeping pills and alcohol. So was that because the Ritalin consumed alone produced insomnia? Because EVERYONE will crack if insomnia goes on for a long time.

So while I see the logic of the sidewinder, I think they all got banned because long-term use lead to bad outcomes.

But yeah, Slaughterhouse 5 is an important book.

 

[Cuncefuct]

We can guess, but that's all it will be. It's not really going to help much?

Caffeine often turns up as an ingredient in fake or weak stims. You can see this on the UK drug testing website Wedinos.

It helps the fakers that it is also a white powder, and obviously it's also stimulating, so the buyer might believe there might be something worthwhile in what they've bought.

But you could have been sold €40 worth of salt and caffeine. Nice!

I've never heard of salt being used before as a cutting / faking agent.. That's just brutally cheap and nasty. And so obvious to detect. At least they could have had the decency to use sodium bicarbonate or something like that, along with what was possibly caffeine powder.

Salt is rather uncommon cut for coke. But I've had slightly burnt Himalayan rock salt sold to me as "MDMA" before. It sucks especially when you lost all the money you had available for this kind of recreation.

 

[Ismene2]

Jerry Lee said "Desbutal - them motherfuckers was so good they had to ban them"

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Vonnegut was a versatile author. His mother Edith took her own life by consuming a handful of sleeping pills and he mentions in his writings that when he got down, he would go to the doctor, get a pill that 'fixed me up' - Ritalin.

Later he also tried to take his own life mixing sleeping pills and alcohol. So was that because the Ritalin consumed alone produced insomnia? Because EVERYONE will crack if insomnia goes on for a long time.

So while I see the logic of the sidewinder, I think they all got banned because long-term use lead to bad outcomes.

But yeah, Slaughterhouse 5 is an important book.

Very subjective take and I only read a couple Vonnegut books -- I did not love him inserting himself into the story though.

I could almost feel the insomnia through the writing. (Which actually is probably a positive thing to say now that I think about it -- any art that makes you 'feel' anything is good)

Slaughterhouse 5 is the gold standard of Vonnegut? Had alot of friends that loved his writing -- I felt like I was missing something. (Very may well have been lol)