Opioids The Great Fentanyl Drought of '24 USA

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Ok well hopefully people do research before they use. Obviously what you order online is not the same as we get at the Mexican border lol.
And just so.we are both on the same.page ....
As I said " freebase "
This is from Wikipedia.

" Recreational Use: The term "free-basing" also refers to the process of converting a drug from its salt form to its free base form, often for the purpose of smoking, according to wikidoc. This can be a dangerous process and is often associated with the use of recreational drugs.

This is from the DEAs site .

" Purity Varies Widely: The purity of illicit fentanyl produced in Mexico and trafficked into the US can vary greatly. DEA analysis of seizures revealed a range from 0.07% to 81.5%. Other DEA reports show average purity levels for seized powder samples around 13-14%, with ranges reaching as high as 75.6%.".

Obviously not -- what you order online may actually show up as a pure product. You are using freebase as a verb -- freebase means not in HCL water soluble form as a noun. You are freebasing Fentanyl HCL (if you are lucky).

Average purity around 13-14% Ok that tracks --- 75% did not -- that is an batch they grabbed up before it was cut down to 13% (Which still sounds a bit high but like you said we all live in different places)

 

[Psynaught]

I never IVed fent but i did smoke the gell, put the gel under my tongue, snort the frozen gel, put heat on the patch and so on. Fent just doesent give me any euphoria. Honestly codeine is more euphoric for me

I think i will just stick with my morphine

Agreed. Fentanyl by itself is simply no fun. I have a bunch and I keep it because it is effective for pain. Last Saturday I took 1 fent (a Mexican blue) and 1 30 mg Oxy. It enhanced the high from the Oxy but by itself does not give euphoria.

I also hear that you will test positive for fent for 4 weeks. Oxy is only 2 days, correct? It is starting to seem that I might have the long form of Covid. The last thing I want is to go to the doc and test positive for Fent. I can go without opioids for extended periods no problem, but 4 weeks is a long time. I don't think anything can be done about long term Covid, it is just killing my workout routine.

EDIT: Sorry to go a it off topic, but you guys are the experts. I don't know much about opioids, except the fact that you guys scare the snit out of me (a good thing). So, will I test positive for 4 weeks from taking 1 Mexican blue?

 

[paranoid android]

Agreed. Fentanyl by itself is simply no fun. I have a bunch and I keep it because it is effective for pain. Last Saturday I took 1 fent (a Mexican blue) and 1 30 mg Oxy. It enhanced the high from the Oxy but by itself does not give euphoria.

I also hear that you will test positive for fent for 4 weeks. Oxy is only 2 days, correct? It is starting to seem that I might have the long form of Covid. The last thing I want is to go to the doc and test positive for Fent. I can go without opioids for extended periods no problem, but 4 weeks is a long time. I don't think anything can be done about long term Covid, it is just killing my workout routine.

EDIT: Sorry to go a it off topic, but you guys are the experts. I don't know much about opioids, except the fact that you guys scare the snit out of me (a good thing). So, will I test positive for 4 weeks from taking 1 Mexican blue?

Fentanyl has a half life of 3 to 7 hours. The rule is 5 times the half life and it should be out of your system. Dont know why you thought t would be 4 weeks.

Fent s fantastic for pain. Useless for getting high but fantastic for pain. I wish i had some fentayl lolipops on hand for my trigeminal neuralgia

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

I don’t believe the statistics saying the average purity of FENTANYL is 13%. That would mean a 0.1g bag contains 10mg. That is absolutely absurd and would kill even a HIGHLY seasoned veteran.

I do, however believe that could be an accurate number for the analogue listed.

These numbers are also coming from the DEA as well, and they always exaggerate or “mistakenly” misrepresent data.

That one non-DEA study is also rather misleading. They refer to the results as fentanyl, while acknowledging it’s actually a mixture of fluorofentanyl and fentanyl, just fluorofentanyl, or fentanyl alone.

The study then proceeds to state average purities without giving actual specifications of what’s actually being measured each time.

Also, as for the most mentioning seeing “100% purity fentanyl” available. That simply doesn’t exist and isn’t possible lol. The finest that was ever available was 98%-99.8%

 

[Psynaught]

Fentanyl has a half life of 3 to 7 hours. The rule is 5 times the half life and it should be out of your system. Dont know why you thought t would be 4 weeks.

Fent s fantastic for pain. Useless for getting high but fantastic for pain. I wish i had some fentayl lolipops on hand for my trigeminal neuralgia

Thank you, I always get excellent advice on this forum. I did a Google search, that is where I got the 4 weeks...which as you note makes no sense. I keep pain pills on stock because I don't trust the medical industry. They've done some pretty Nazi doctor crap with me on more than 1 occasion. The last one was shoving a camera down my penis all the way to examine my prostate...no meds at all!.

I had Covid....was sick for about 5 days then seemed to be recovered. I started pushing myself hard at the gym (my workouts are insanely tough) and I have just been feeling worse and worse. I thought long term Covid was just something wimps made up, LOL, now it seems I am learning first hand. I am tempted to take something tonight, I feel really crappy. Not fully sick like I was, but something is definitely wrong.

This forum is a great source of info. The best of which is to not take opioids on the regular!

 

[paranoid android]

Thank you, I always get excellent advice on this forum. I did a Google search, that is where I got the 4 weeks...which as you note makes no sense. I keep pain pills on stock because I don't trust the medical industry. They've done some pretty Nazi doctor crap with me on more than 1 occasion. The last one was shoving a camera down my penis all the way to examine my prostate...no meds at all!.

I had Covid....was sick for about 5 days then seemed to be recovered. I started pushing myself hard at the gym (my workouts are insanely tough) and I have just been feeling worse and worse. I thought long term Covid was just something wimps made up, LOL, now it seems I am learning first hand. I am tempted to take something tonight, I feel really crappy. Not fully sick like I was, but something is definitely wrong.

This forum is a great source of info. The best of which is to not take opioids on the regular

Long term covid is no joke please look after yourself And ya its best not to take opiates everyday. I learned that the hard way with over a decade of opiate addiction.

I would advise against exercisng util you feel alot better. I lift weights 6 days a week. I wouldnt lift with covid though thank fuck i havent had t. Even exercising with the flu is a bad idea imo never mind long covid. I would also talk to yur doctor about this.

What opiates d you have to take? Some codeine or hydrocodone work great for flu symptoms and such so they should help long covid.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I don’t believe the statistics saying the average purity of FENTANYL is 13%. That would mean a 0.1g bag contains 10mg. That is absolutely absurd and would kill even a HIGHLY seasoned veteran.

I do, however believe that could be an accurate number for the analogue listed.

These numbers are also coming from the DEA as well, and they always exaggerate or “mistakenly” misrepresent data.

Aye those #'s are not representative of the average fentanyl purity on the streets. Once you mistake, or exaggerate data it ceases to be data.... Misrepresent is a tricky one though.

That one non-DEA study is also rather misleading. They refer to the results as fentanyl, while acknowledging it’s actually a mixture of fluorofentanyl and fentanyl, just fluorofentanyl, or fentanyl alone.

The study then proceeds to state average purities without giving actual specifications of what’s actually being measured each time.

Also, as for the most mentioning seeing “100% purity fentanyl” available. That simply doesn’t exist and isn’t possible lol. The finest that was ever available was 98%-99.8%

^ Ok now we are talking sensibly -- The study I was referring to with up to 90% H was "Bought on street corners throughout Detroit & Baltimore" (Respectively, seperate studies)

So we learned once again not to trust studies on drug purity without checking the citations thoroughly.

You got me on the last one I think it was 97.6 and 98.2 --- straight from the non gel patches with a simple soak you can get 90% of what is in a patch -- and that looked crystalline. (What little of it there was)

(If you want I will try and find the cited articles but they were years-- decadeish ago. Usually shit stays put online though)

*** EDIT Helpmeescapethis, I now see you were not the same person. May explain the increase in sensibility*****

 

[Psynaught]

Long term covid is no joke please look after yourself And ya its best not to take opiates everyday. I learned that the hard way with over a decade of opiate addiction.

I would advise against exercisng util you feel alot better. I lift weights 6 days a week. I wouldnt lift with covid though thank fuck i havent had t. Even exercising with the flu is a bad idea imo never mind long covid. I would also talk to yur doctor about this.

What opiates d you have to take? Some codeine or hydrocodone work great for flu symptoms and such so they should help long covid.

I am feeling better today...I might just do some bi's forearms and calves, not a very taxing working. I got 8.5 hours of sleep. My workouts are normally supersetting...doing one exercise right after another. But I have been feeling like death (even when healthy these workouts are brutal, especially at my age). I simply could not do my leg workout yesterday so I went for a bike ride. But even with only that I felt bad.

I have a stash of Oxy, Fentanyl and Tramadol. I took 1 Tramadol and an ibuprofen last night, it helped. I try and save the Oxy's and only take them twice a month at most. I try and only take a real opiod once a week, although I take 4 grams of Kratom 5 days a week. Kratom definitely helps with the symptoms but I did not want to take any late at night because it might keep me up.

 

[Dino_Megamethazoid]

I can't break it down scientifically but many studies are available online . For example, science plus recently tested over 700 samples of crystal and less then 1 percent had traces of fent and that's likely from cross contamination ( scales , packaging etc .).
I was reading a post on here where the scientific reasons where listed and I'll try to round that up .

Well something is going on because meth has always been known to dilate you pupils huge it was how cops could tell if you were spun out and opioids make pupils pin point small it how they know if you’re on opioids I haven’t taken an opioid in over a year but the the meth I’m smoking doesn’t dilate my pupils at in fact exact opposite super tiny pin point pupils what the meth I’ve been getting for the past year does and for the most part I will stay up for a few days at a time maybe nodding off here and there until I get back up and smoke some more but sometimes it makes me super drowsy I’ll wake up after having slept for 8 hrs eat some food smoke a bowl and not be able to stay awake and it’s during those times when the meth can make me really sleepy that my pupils are the smallest and why does only sometime the dope I get make my under arm BOdy odor smell almost sweet & sour same time kinda putrid I never had that in all the years I been dabbling since 92 I was reading another post in this thread about the girl saying when they cut the meth with the fentanyl you can smell it through the bag a sickly sweet smell what a coincidence we both describe a kinda sick but sweet sour smell and think something is going on

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

^That passes the initial 'smell test' alright -- constricted pupils means wrong direction. Fentanyl does not typically have any (nor) a sickly sweet smell so it doesn't pass the literal smell test (But who knows what inactives, process was used).

I sincerely recommend if not sending a very small amount in for testing at least get some fent, nitazene, xylazine (anything you suspect) strips and find out what you are dealing with.

Not really a meth person so I don't have alot of personal insight -- but sleepiness from meth does not track, feels common sense.

 

[Esperighanto]

Well something is going on because meth has always been known to dilate you pupils huge it was how cops could tell if you were spun out and opioids make pupils pin point small it how they know if you’re on opioids I haven’t taken an opioid in over a year but the the meth I’m smoking doesn’t dilate my pupils at in fact exact opposite super tiny pin point pupils what the meth I’ve been getting for the past year does and for the most part I will stay up for a few days at a time maybe nodding off here and there until I get back up and smoke some more but sometimes it makes me super drowsy I’ll wake up after having slept for 8 hrs eat some food smoke a bowl and not be able to stay awake and it’s during those times when the meth can make me really sleepy that my pupils are the smallest and why does only sometime the dope I get make my under arm BOdy odor smell almost sweet & sour same time kinda putrid I never had that in all the years I been dabbling since 92 I was reading another post in this thread about the girl saying when they cut the meth with the fentanyl you can smell it through the bag a sickly sweet smell what a coincidence we both describe a kinda sick but sweet sour smell and think something is going on

I would highly advise getting this tested, but I've also passed out almost immediately after administering meth just because I was SO damn tired that even the meth didn't help.

 

[tryptakid]

I would highly advise getting this tested, but I've also passed out almost immediately after administering meth just because I was SO damn tired that even the meth didn't help.

Who knows what concoctions trickle down to the street these days.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I would highly advise getting this tested, but I've also passed out almost immediately after administering meth just because I was SO damn tired that even the meth didn't help.

damn you guys go hard with the ups I do with the downs I couldn't imagine not sleeping for two days. Actually had a buddy that 'accidentally' gave me DOx instead of LSD once and that was about 48 and a court appearance at the end. (Scheduled didn't get in any trouble -- just didn't expect that duration lol)

 

[Letsparty#2]

Safe to say the drought is long over for everyone..????

 

[Psynaught]

Safe to say the drought is long over for everyone..????

Are you saying the supply of fentanyl has increased?

 

[Letsparty#2]

I mean in AZ it has never slowed up..

 

[$park]

I get a decent amount of it.

 

[spypilot]

all of the fent in my area is shit from what ive done
ive only done fent a few times and it was shit
i also dont wanna get hooked on that shit so yeah im not trying it again

 

[4DQSAR]

Fentanyl has a half life of 3 to 7 hours.

Really? That would be plasma levels.

Fentanyl is rapidly redistributed out of the brain.

https://scholarlypublications.universiteitleiden.nl/access/item%3A2938102/view

I truly do not know if that alters your calculation. I suppose the para 18F (N-{1-[2-(4-fluorophenyl)ethyl]piperidin-4-yl} derivative in a functional MRI would tell us a lot more.

I can only guess based on the known metabolites that the plasma levels are subject to CYP enzymes hence the seemingly HUGE range.

It seems to produce a sort of plastic-euphoria at doses quite close to those which are fatal.

I've never been a fanboy of George Marquardt as he lies, A LOT. But I did note that the self-same precursor to methamphetamine was equally a precursor of aMF which is a mixed bag. Longer acting but chiral, wish one isomer being more toxic than the other. I don't buy in to the whole 'too clever to learn' deal. He made a product he KNEW to be misrepresented and people DIED.

But odd that after he was apprehended, aMF has seemingly vanished even though we KNOW the Mexican cartels make that same common precursor. I suppose the man who needs three bags a day and can scrape by for a day or two on two bags a day isn't the goldmine the plain vanilla fentanyl user is.

I feel like I'm screaming into the void whenever I point out that the 1c derivative of R-4066 has such a long half-life that it could likely be a better and safer ORLAAM. Even supervised consumption could be a 3 days a week effort (barrier) to people with the courge to admit fault, get help, get clean, get their lives back.

https://sci-hub.su/10.1021/jm00203a014

BTW yes, it IS costly to make, but it is some 212x more potent than methadone and IF thrice weekly does work, overall it is a saving. I ran the numbers, PM me if you want them.

 

[CalicoCatLover]

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