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Meth Moderate exercise + meth

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CarryBagMan

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Is it okay to get the heart rate up and partake in moderate exercise with meth in your system (approx 18 hours after ingestion) Sometimes random cardiac events can be triggered in this way, no? )
[Although it seems to happen anecdotally more amongst cocaine users it seems (I.e. heart attack during coitus) ]

I don't want to needlessly trigger a cardiac event so I won't partake in the exercise if it even increases the chances of adverse outcomes by a smidgen or two. Thank you for any help you may have
 
CarryBagMan said:
Is it okay to get the heart rate up and partake in moderate exercise with meth in your system (approx 18 hours after ingestion) Sometimes random cardiac events can be triggered in this way, no? )
[Although it seems to happen anecdotally more amongst cocaine users it seems (I.e. heart attack during coitus) ]

I don't want to needlessly trigger a cardiac event so I won't partake in the exercise if it even increases the chances of adverse outcomes by a smidgen or two. Thank you for any help you may have
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If you have dextromethamphetamine in your system than it's absolutely ok for you to workout and exercise since this is methamphetamine's intended purpose as a functional drug that is meant to help you function longer/better at work and when working out. This is why it was used by both Japan and Germany as a functional drug during ww2 and given to their soldiers
 
YusufIslam said:
If you have dextromethamphetamine in your system than it's absolutely ok for you to workout and exercise since this is methamphetamine's intended purpose as a functional drug that is meant to help you function longer/better at work and when working out. This is why it was used by both Japan and Germany as a functional drug during ww2 and given to their soldiers
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“Dextromethamphetamine” is the only real psychoactive isomer of meth so of course that’s what he has. That isn’t meths “intended” purpose. It was way back then. Now the only accepted medical need for it is ADHD and in extremely rare cases short term for obesity. Jesus Christ.
 
PenguinWithNapalm said:
“Dextromethamphetamine” is the only real psychoactive isomer of meth so of course that’s what he has. That isn’t meths “intended” purpose. It was way back then. Now the only accepted medical need for it is ADHD and in extremely rare cases short term for obesity. Jesus Christ.
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1 While dextromethamphetamine is what gets you high from meth by releasing dopamine to a lesser extent serotonin (which is why it's a functional drug) it's not true that is what he has. This is because when ephedrine and pseudoephedrine were heavily restricted groups started to use P2P as their replacement to manufacture meth which makes racemic meth and not d-meth like ephedrine and pseudoephedrine do.




Mexico's precursor chemical controls: Emergence of less potent types of methamphetamine in the United States



• With a P2P-associated change in isomers, methamphetamine potency should change as well. Mendelson et al. (2006) compared d-methamphetamine, l-methamphetamine, racemic methamphetamine and a placebo regarding ability to produce intoxication and a “high.” Twelve methamphetamine abusers received intravenous administrations of each in a 6-session, double-blind, balanced crossover design. Using a 100-point scale, the subjects assigned ratings for intoxication resulting in the following mean scores: d-methamphetamine: 46.0 (SD 35.3); l-methamphetamine: 30.3 (24.9); racemic methamphetamine: 24.7 (27.4); and placebo 1.7 (4.7). The mean scores for a “high” were d-methamphetamine: 46.5 (SD 35.0); l-methamphetamine: 31.0 (25.9), racemic methamphetamine: 25.4 (28.4); and placebo 1.5 (3.7).

• The ratings for d-methamphetamine were significantly higher than all other conditions, while the placebo's ratings were significantly lower than all other conditions. Racemic methamphetamine ratings were below those for l-methamphetamine, but the difference was not statistically significant. These findings indicate that l-methamphetamine and racemic methamphetamine both produce intoxication and a high, but neither is as potent as d-methamphetamine. They also indicate that although racemic methamphetamine includes the more potent d-methamphetamine, racemic methamphetamine's potency is no greater than that of l-methamphetamine, and possibly less"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0376871612003961



2 Using dextromethamphetamine as a functional drug to help people function better and longer at work/physical exercise was it's first large scale intended legal purpose. That's why it was used by countries during ww2 and given to their soldiers to help them function better just like amphetamine was used by the allies for the same purpose. It was also later used for fat loss, depression, and by people who wanted to improve their performance in sport. It was only when the racist war on drug's started and it got heavily restricted that it got mainly used for adhd
 
I would say its dosage and individual dependent of course. I did martial arts at the tail end of a 48 hour vyvanse or speed binge a few times like 7 years ago before I lost all my hobbies and training to my addictions. As you can imagine I felt fucking awful, irregular heartrate, inability to get a proper pump, shaky, cold hands and dizzy. Felt like asthma + impending doom.


If youre not sleep deprived it might feel fucking awesome though, my cousin used to do amphetamines and take lots of oral AAS before lifting and go fucking crazy in the gym. Well to be fair hes not in the best mental or physical health anymore 😅 but for a while he was a greek god repping 260kg/575lbs on squats.
We also used to ride our bikes stimulants during summer and never felt any discomfort, this was back when we were teens and more conservative with our doses though.


You definetly increase the risk of adverse cardiac events, keep an eye on your BP and heartrate if doing extended cardio, shorter intervals of intense exertion with longer rest periods might feel better but dont take my word for it.
 
It must be a different mechanism at work with cocaine; because anecdotally I have heard of more instantaneous death occurring during exercise (usually sex induced) than I ever hear about in regards to meth.
 
CarryBagMan said:
It must be a different mechanism at work with cocaine; because anecdotally I have heard of more instantaneous death occurring during exercise (usually sex induced) than I ever hear about in regards to meth.
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Im guessing the interaction cocaine has with sodium channels makes it more prone to sudden cardiac events
 
CarryBagMan said:
It must be a different mechanism at work with cocaine; because anecdotally I have heard of more instantaneous death occurring during exercise (usually sex induced) than I ever hear about in regards to meth.
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it’s because coke is way more cardiotoxic. It makes blood pressure a lot higher and more importantly it fucks with the electrical signals that make your heart actually beat. Meth on the other hand just raises blood pressure a bit but mostly heart rate which isn’t nearly as dangerous as blood pressure.
 
If you´re only using relatively small amounts of Methamphetamine, then it shouldn´t be a problem. However, if you´re using Methamphetamine in the high-dose, recreational manner that many of us are used to, then I would be weary of doing high-intensity exercise.

The difference is really going to be when you are a chronic user. Amphetamines don´t generally give people heart attacks if they´ve only used them a handful of times. Using high-dose Amphetamines or other CNS stimulants for years is known to be potentially harmful to the heart. The answer is that moderation is going to be key. If you´re pushing your body into heavy stress, you´re going to be more likely to experience trouble.
 
I was once reminded that stimulants may sometimes cause paradoxical dizziness, for whatever reason IDK, but I have experienced that occasionally (mostly if I have been doing amphetamines consecutive days [sleeping nights]), and that is not great if you have +9000 kg weight above you on bench.
 
CarryBagMan said:
It must be a different mechanism at work with cocaine; because anecdotally I have heard of more instantaneous death occurring during exercise (usually sex induced) than I ever hear about in regards to meth.
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More deaths occur with cocaine from combining with ethanol. It creates cocaethalyne a cardiotoxin that results in sudden cardiac arrest.

If you die fucking on coke you had a bad heart to begin with and shouldn’t be doing stimulants.
 
xXTheGrimOneXx said:
More deaths occur with cocaine from combining with ethanol. It creates cocaethalyne a cardiotoxin that results in sudden cardiac arrest.

If you die fucking on coke you had a bad heart to begin with and shouldn’t be doing stimulants.
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How come this isn't broached more as a harm reduction PSA ?? I mean, drug users in general should know this but more importantly the recreational coke user (weekend warrior) who takes it as an aphrodisiac because they love to fuck and/or are sex addicts. They need to be aware of this even more. I've only suspected this from anecdotal evidence like the list of dead rock stars who croaked while fucking groupies at the Hard Rock in Vegas. RIP John Entwhistle.
 
Keif' Richards said:
If you´re only using relatively small amounts of Methamphetamine, then it shouldn´t be a problem. However, if you´re using Methamphetamine in the high-dose, recreational manner that many of us are used to, then I would be weary of doing high-intensity exercise.
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What would you consider to be a "high-dose, recreational" amount of methamphetamine?
 
I got an enlarged heart form meth after a few years of 4 days a week at the gym, weights and aerobic. It went back to normal when I stopped. Stimulants increase blood pressure quite a bit, which can also be a problem.
 
General alcazar said:
I got an enlarged heart form meth after a few years of 4 days a week at the gym, weights and aerobic. It went back to normal when I stoppedba. Stimulants increase blood pressure quite a bit, which can also be a problem.
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Interesting. I wonder if the enlarged heart would have still occurred without the gym, weights, and aerobic. I am very glad to hear that it has gone back to it's normal size though. Thank you Jesus!
 
I was told once, by a doctor or perhaps it was just a nurse; that chronic use of stimulants will INEVITABLY lead to needing a pace-maker being surgically installed to keep your heart beating as it should. Now I know doctors and nurses can spout out fear-mongering myths and half-truths to scare you off from doing drugs, but I know this has occurred with some professional baseball players who took "greenies" back in the day. Greenies were an amphetamine type diet pill brought up from Mexico (may have been clobenzorex which is sold OTC in Mexico). During the steroid era in baseball (1980s thru early 2000's) many ball players abused greenies thinking the stimulant effects helped them in their performance and stamina. Now the need for a pace-maker may have also been from the steroid plus greenie abuse, I don't know. If anybody has anything to add to the idea that chronic stimulant abuse inevitably leads to the need for a pace-maker later in life please post your thoughts. This may be more of a rare occurrence or depending more on the poly-drug abuse or just peculiarities in personal medical history, I dunno.
 
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