Mental Health Antipsychotics suck!

[Pinkbeam]

Today, I finally got fed up. I went and bought a ball of meth and while I was there she offered me a line of cocaine, and of course I said yes. It was such a big line it took me two tries to snort it all. She said it was fire coke. My throat got really numb and of course, I felt nothing at ALL.

When I got home, I loaded my pipe to test out my meth.... why? I cant feel the shit anyways.

I ended up laying down on the couch and taking a three hour nap directly after.

I'm so sick of not being able to get high anymore. Today I started the tapering of my Abilify. I will stay on my Effexor.

Do any of you know if Effexor blocks the high, too?

I think I will be okay if I remain on one.

My mental health is important so I am going to proceed with caution in this taper and see how I feel. I guess I rather be numb and sober than depressed and crazy impulsive. So dont judge me. I will make the best decision in the long run when it's time. I'm just doing some experimenting.

My husband thinks my BPD tendencies will come back if I stop taking my Abilify. Can that little blue pill really control my actions that much?

I've been very good for the two years I've been on it. No bad impulsive behavior, lying, or cheating. But I thought I changed because something inside of me wanted to change. Not because of the Abilify.

What do you guys think about all this? Go easy.

 

[Rectify]

I am dependent on antipsychotics, mainly for sleep. I take high dose Zyprexa (olanzapine), Seroquel (quetiapine), and Invega Sustena (palliperidone). However, Focalin (dextromethylphenidate) is my true love.

 

[Bella Figura]

I don't think Effexor blocks the effects of stimulants but the antipsychotics most definitely will. I was prescribed Seroquel for a short period of time and it would knock me out completely.

Was also on Effexor for a very short time and used speed on it...

If you suffer from BPD I'd stay on the meds, stimulants are only going to make your depression worse.

 

[Schizopath]

For me zyprexa has been a lifesaver. Is your life better of worse than before? Are you taking a huge dose?

 

[Zephyn]

Please do stay on the meds, I know they suck but if its helping keep you sober why not? Trust me you're not missing as much as you think without them. I know the frustration though, smoked crack on zyprexa once and was like WTF. I could say it could be dangerous leading to overdose because you might think its tolerance and keep dosing higher and higher
Id stay on them, you can think of it like vivitrol for meth!

 

[4DQSAR]

Effexor is venlafaxine I believe. Now that's a very dubious medication because the researchers were looking for a novel analgesic so repurposing it as an antidepressant has to be the most rampent example of 'infication creep' I know of. I do know that all but one person prescribed it mentioned how nasty the side-effects were but for the person it worked for, apparently it worked very well.

Abilify is aripiprazole I've read but it may also have antidepressant activity. Now all neuroleptics are 'dirty' i.e. they act on many receptors but often we don't know why a specific medication works which is bad but generally neuroleptics are only prescribed when the outcomes are better WITH the medication.

Both will tend to dull the action of stimulants, entactogens and psychedelics but I assume clinicians have weighed up the risk/benefit ratio of taking those medications. Obviously I have no idea why they were prescribed but if stimulants were the reason, it's up to you if you want to go back to wherever you were when the medicines were prescribed. Nobody on Bluelight is in a position to offer informed opinion on your mental health. Only you know.

But I would ask if maybe it was time to stop. That way at least you and the clinicians are on the same page.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Abilify is weird because the low doses of it work differently than the higher ones. They might give 2-5mg for depression, like 10-15mg for bipolar, then at the other end is 20-30mg for psychotic illnesses.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

CYP2D6 activity should be considered by perscribers. Poor metabolizers should be given half doses and should be aware the drug has double the half-life. 146 hours instead of 75. hangs around a very long time after cessation. St Johns Wort speeds up elimination.

Well they definitely consider that, lol. They look at other medications one takes.

As for metabolism otherwise, I don't think that any such easy test exists and can be administered. That said, if it were that extreme a disparity, then the medication wouldn't be safe. It's the metabolites that are at play in the half life, and not for as long as you're lisitng.

Wrt the SJW thing, that's a good reason for one to be honest with their doctor.

 

[paranoid android]

When i was on abilify injectins i had n trouble feeling coke. I felt it abit to much actually and had a seizure after shooting a 1/3rfd of a gram

 

[ions]

APs in my experience only make things worse. Getting high is not guaranteed anymore. And the darkness that it creates for those subjected to the poisons.
They are not medicines, but rather poisons.

 

[paranoid android]

APs in my experience only make things worse. Getting high is not guaranteed anymore. And the darkness that it creates for those subjected to the poisons.
They are not medicines, but rather poisons.

I had a different experience i actually needed them bad and for a whole 3 months i was psychotic because a stupid shrink wouldnt give me antipsychotics

 

[ions]

A life of psychedelics is better than a life of antipsychotics.

 

[paranoid android]

A life of psychedelics is better than a life of antipsychotics.

I take both

 

[ions]

I take both as well. antipsychotics not exactly voluntary. But still get high on psychedelics which is a gift I guess.

 

[paranoid android]

I take both as well. antipsychotics not exactly voluntary. But still get high on psychedelics which is a gift I guess.

They are voluntary for me the zyprexa doesent seem to fuck with shrooms if i take a day or 2 off

 

[ions]

caffeine has no effect. which used to be fun.

 

[4DQSAR]

Abilify is weird because the low doses of it work differently than the higher ones. They might give 2-5mg for depression, like 10-15mg for bipolar, then at the other end is 20-30mg for psychotic illnesses.

This practice has a name. It's termed 'indication creep'.

The logic is that an entirely new medication has to go through an extensive series of safety trials before it's effaciacy is even tested. BUT if the indications for prescribing that medication change, it doesn't need to go through those costly and time-consuming safety trials again.

That's why psychiatrists in the UK still use the DSM 3a. It became obvious that entirely new diagnoses were being added for extremly dubious reasons and medications began to be flagged as treatment options for more and more of these new diagnoses.

Alprazolam (Xanax) is the most infamous example. GAD was added to the DSM 4 and the ONLY medication indicated was... alprazolam.

But neuroleptics to treat depression and bipolar disorder are other good examples.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

This practice has a name. It's termed 'indication creep'.

The logic is that an entirely new medication has to go through an extensive series of safety trials before it's effaciacy is even tested. BUT if the indications for prescribing that medication change, it doesn't need to go through those costly and time-consuming safety trials again.

That's why psychiatrists in the UK still use the DSM 3a. It became obvious that entirely new diagnoses were being added for extremly dubious reasons and medications began to be flagged as treatment options for more and more of these new diagnoses.

Alprazolam (Xanax) is the most infamous example. GAD was added to the DSM 4 and the ONLY medication indicated was... alprazolam.

But neuroleptics to treat depression and bipolar disorder are other good examples.

I was under the impression that every new indication had to be substantiated. I can see them not going through some of the trials, like the ones that determined that they aren't carcinogenic or otherwise toxic. I think that there's plenty of good evidence for some low-dose 2nd and 3rd gen antipsychotics added to an SSRI in depression.

I feel you on the xanax thing though. I think that psychiatry is always improving, just imo, because for instance now benzos are understood for usually being band aids and so many newer and better options for anxiety are available.

 

[paranoid android]

I was under the impression that every new indication had to be substantiated. I can see them not going through some of the trials, like the ones that determined that they aren't carcinogenic or otherwise toxic. I think that there's plenty of good evidence for some low-dose 2nd and 3rd gen antipsychotics added to an SSRI in depression.

I feel you on the xanax thing though. I think that psychiatry is always improving, just imo, because for instance now benzos are understood for usually being band aids and so many newer and better options for anxiety are available

Im quiet happy to have benzos actually. Ive been on them 20 years and the only problem i had with them when i was forced to go cold turkey in the psych ward. But that was their problem not mine so that doesenht even really even count.

 

[M!$TER-ED]

No one can decide what you take or not take for medication except you. Do your research, ask questions and seek professional advice to make the informed decision for your safety and welfare. sometimes you have to pick your battles.