Miscellaneous What should I try if I really, really like zolpidem?

[OrconectesLimosus]

I've always considered it my absolute favorite substance because of how surreal and ecstatic the whole experience feels, and the deranged unpredictability of thought patterns when under its effects.
After about 3 years of intermittent use, I started to know what to expect in advance and it definitely lost its value as a creative ace in the sleeve, even if I take it once a year.
Whenever I had to write something truly bizarre before, I knew I could cheat by taking zolpidem and following my step by step strategy for writing on zolpidem, but that can happen no more. The magic has been lost.

What can I use to reach that surreal connection again?
I had experiences with all "Famous" drugs.
Sleep deprivation can come close, but is too heavy on mood and cognition. Lucid dreaming is an all-out upgrade, but prevents one from doing something at the same time and is very hard to achieve consistently.

 

[PenguinWithNapalm]

I've always considered it my absolute favorite substance because of how surreal and ecstatic the whole experience feels, and the deranged unpredictability of thought patterns when under its effects.
After about 3 years of intermittent use, I started to know what to expect in advance and it definitely lost its value as a creative ace in the sleeve, even if I take it once a year.
Whenever I had to write something truly bizarre before, I knew I could cheat by taking zolpidem and following my step by step strategy for writing on zolpidem, but that can happen no more. The magic has been lost.

What can I use to reach that surreal connection again?
I had experiences with all "Famous" drugs.
Sleep deprivation can come close, but is too heavy on mood and cognition. Lucid dreaming is an all-out upgrade, but prevents one from doing something at the same time and is very hard to achieve consistently.

It kinda sounds like you would like just plain old psychedelics. You sound like someone that would enjoy acid. Maybe take some Xanax with it to throw that hypnotic downer spin to it

 

[paranoid android]

It kinda sounds like you would like just plain old psychedelics. You sound like someone that would enjoy acid. Maybe take some Xanax with it to throw that hypnotic downer spin to it

All benzos kill my trip i would advise against it

Try amanitas if you like z drugs from what hear they act similar

 

[OrconectesLimosus]

I've heard about amanita but I'm very bad at mushroom hunting, also I haven't seen it around here for a long time, but I'm looking to try it without hurry. The psychedelics I tried (cubensis mushrooms, LSD and 2C-B) were almost the opposite - sharp thinking, sense of purpose in every action, looking for patterns, high anxiety, sense of constant effort.

For example, A was drawn on LSD and B on zolpidem, both in the same week. Only B is truly random/psychotic, not to mention the fact that I thought I was giving birth to a creature that would manifest in the tangible world and kept kissing and caressing the paper as I was drawing B (talking about the bottom thing, the catfish was drawn during the comeup).
While drawing A I had a clear plan, got myself to stop when hands were shaking too much, looked at a friend becoming pink and growing horns in various shapes for 3 hours and restarted during the comedown. Very different effect, at least for me

 

[PenguinWithNapalm]

All benzos kill my trip i would advise against it

Try amanitas if you like z drugs from what hear they act similar

I actually enjoy taking benzos with psyches sometimes if I’m in the mood to just see cool visuals but don’t feel like dealing with all of the mental stuff. I love the mental stuff the vast majority of the time but sometimes it’s fun to take a stronger dose of shrooms and some Xanax and just walk around looking at crazy visuals. It’s actually kinda trippy because there have been times where the blank head space has allowed me to focus ONLY on the visuals which led to some really crazy visuals since I was putting all of my concentration and mental energy into them. There was one time where I took shrooms and Xanax and I stg anything that I thought of would come into existence. I was looking at this wall in this park that was part of this art installation and I thought to myself “I want this to freeze over with ice” and the entire wall started turning into ice. Then I was like holy shit and looked at my friend and thought “I want your hair to turn red” and it just changed to red. Such a crazy experience. It usually dulls the experience though so I use it on the comedown if at all. It definitely helps for an acid comedown with all of the excess stimulation

 

[OrconectesLimosus]

I actually enjoy taking benzos with psyches sometimes if I’m in the mood to just see cool visuals but don’t feel like dealing with all of the mental stuff. I love the mental stuff the vast majority of the time but sometimes it’s fun to take a stronger dose of shrooms and some Xanax and just walk around looking at crazy visuals. It’s actually kinda trippy because there have been times where the blank head space has allowed me to focus ONLY on the visuals which led to some really crazy visuals since I was putting all of my concentration and mental energy into them. There was one time where I took shrooms and Xanax and I stg anything that I thought of would come into existence. I was looking at this wall in this park that was part of this art installation and I thought to myself “I want this to freeze over with ice” and the entire wall started turning into ice. Then I was like holy shit and looked at my friend and thought “I want your hair to turn red” and it just changed to red. Such a crazy experience. It usually dulls the experience though so I use it on the comedown if at all. It definitely helps for an acid comedown with all of the excess stimulation

this actually sounds very interesting btw, never tried this combo
I'll report what happens when I try it

 

[pupnik]

I never thought I would recommend Ketamine, but here I am recommending low doses of it 30mg-60mg especially mixed with something upper like a low dose of MDMA 30-60mg, it is an ecstatic and restful sit back and enjoy the screen, the breath, the sky, or whatever.

Higher doses of it make me sloppy and drunk and uncomfortable.

 

[TheLightBringer]

I've heard about amanita but I'm very bad at mushroom hunting, also I haven't seen it around here for a long time, but I'm looking to try it without hurry. The psychedelics I tried (cubensis mushrooms, LSD and 2C-B) were almost the opposite - sharp thinking, sense of purpose in every action, looking for patterns, high anxiety, sense of constant effort.

For example, A was drawn on LSD and B on zolpidem, both in the same week. Only B is truly random/psychotic, not to mention the fact that I thought I was giving birth to a creature that would manifest in the tangible world and kept kissing and caressing the paper as I was drawing B (talking about the bottom thing, the catfish was drawn during the comeup).
While drawing A I had a clear plan, got myself to stop when hands were shaking too much, looked at a friend becoming pink and growing horns in various shapes for 3 hours and restarted during the comedown. Very different effect, at least for me

Amazing drawings mate.
Its not recommended but id say if you want a novel/strange manic headspace for creating art then 3-MeO-PCP (or another stimulating PCx analog) might bring you to a new state of mind. Optionally throwing a low dose of a psychedelic, stimulant or zolpidem into the mix to reach your desired state of mind, but be careful with this one.

 

[OrconectesLimosus]

I never thought I would recommend Ketamine, but here I am recommending low doses of it 30mg-60mg especially mixed with something upper like a low dose of MDMA 30-60mg, it is an ecstatic and restful sit back and enjoy the screen, the breath, the sky, or whatever.

Higher doses of it make me sloppy and drunk and uncomfortable.

Amazing drawings mate.
Its not recommended but id say if you want a novel/strange manic headspace for creating art then 3-MeO-PCP (or another stimulating PCx analog) might bring you to a new state of mind. Optionally throwing a low dose of a psychedelic, stimulant or zolpidem into the mix to reach your desired state of mind, but be careful with this one.

I may try ketamine and stims at some point, I'll look into MDMA at threshold doses but I'm not too sure since I suspect it fucked with my mood a lot after the 2 times I took it. Dissociatives usually make me want to do the rip your skin off thing thoughg.
I actually tried PCP + zolpidem, meaning that after taking zolpidem I thought it would be labubu to snort a ketamine-sized PCP line, doubling it down since I "Didn't feel it" and in the end it wasn't labubu: it was one of the most horrifying drug experiences I ever had
thanks for complimenting the cat 8)

 

[TheLightBringer]

I may try ketamine and stims at some point, I'll look into MDMA at threshold doses but I'm not too sure since I suspect it fucked with my mood a lot after the 2 times I took it. Dissociatives usually make me want to do the rip your skin off thing thoughg.
I actually tried PCP + zolpidem, meaning that after taking zolpidem I thought it would be labubu to snort a ketamine-sized PCP line, doubling it down since I "Didn't feel it" and in the end it wasn't labubu: it was one of the most horrifying drug experiences I ever had
thanks for complimenting the cat 8)

Ouff if you already tried PCP then Im not sure. You could try amanita muscaria or zaleplon if you want something even closer to zolpidem with a shorter duration and more visuals. However if zolpidem lost its magic then zaleplon might not bring it back.

Otherwise maybe give salvia divinorum a try, you dont have to smoke the insane extracts and go crazy you could smoke regular leaf or chew(quidding) for a longer effect. Youll have your whole mouth full of bitter leaves though but I find salvia definetly puts me in an interesting state of mind.

One time I quidded a bunch of salvia mixed with opiates and stimulants and I look over to my friend who now looks ”toy-like” or ”mechanical” in his movements and actions, my whole surrounding felt playful as well

 

[BadBoy377]

Hey OP,

If you like zolpidem you might like to try zopiclone or eszopiclone. I've always found zopiclone to be stronger out of the z drugs. With more of a heavy delirium or dream like state. It's closest I've had to pulling the dream world out of your head into waking life. The recurring taste is kind of unpleasant though.

The slightly rarer Zaleplon is not as potent and I found the least recreational of the lot.

I would urge caution though. I think these drugs are potentially more damaging than benzos. Long term regular use seems to cause anxiety in a lot of users.

Your drawings are really cool. Hopefully you'll find a non pharmaceutical method to access that creative space.

BB

 

[TheLightBringer]

I've always found zopiclone to be stronger out of the z drugs. With more of a heavy delirium or dream like state. It's closest I've had to pulling the dream world out of your head into waking life. The recurring taste is kind of unpleasant though.

The slightly rarer Zaleplon is not as potent and I found the least recreational of the lot.

Interesting, I always found zopiclone to be the least recreational, least visual yet the most ”benzo-like”. Zolpidem was the most recreational for me

Never tried zaleplon but from what people say its a lot more euphoric and visual than the other Z-drugs when taken intranasally

I wonder how visual all of their strange cousins are, Alpidem, Saripidem, Pagoclone, Suriclone, Suproclone, Divaplon, Indiplon and like 20 more Z-drugs that I cant remember the name of. Its a shame most of them showed some form of liver toxicity in long term use :/

 

[BadBoy377]

Interesting.

There does seem to be a split of users with some folk loving zolpidem or zopiclone. Perhaps by the time I used zolpidem I had used too much zopiclone and I think there's a degree of perma tolerance.

I've tried nasal zopiclone as recommended by somebody here but it didn't hit as hard as I hoped. I wasn't impressed by nasal or oral zaleplon, I found it really weak.

I'd second the recommendations earlier in the thread for salvia but it has to be treated with respect. Amanitas too. The tinctures or capsules seem to work well. I've found a bit of synergy with amanita and pregabalin which would give me quite pronounced CEVs.

It does sound like you're coming to the end of the good times with the zeds. Maybe you're gets perma tolerance too. I found even after big breaks that things never regained their magic. Maybe you'll be different?

 

[BadBoy377]

Just realised I started my post with "interesting" too. Not trying to be funny or anything. Genuinely interesting. I don't know many other people who have been so inclined towards this family.

 

[TheLightBringer]

Just realised I started my post with "interesting" too. Not trying to be funny or anything. Genuinely interesting. I don't know many other people who have been so inclined towards this family.

Hahaha no worries brother I did not take offence

 

[Psynaught]

I have a script for Zolpidem, take 10 mgs every night for sleep. Have never been high on it, however.

 

[BadBoy377]

The high comes on before you sleep. Obviously that is counterintuitive for a sleep med.

But say you eat a meal before bed so you take your medicine beforehand to make sure it works. Half an hour later you start to feel it as you go to bed. Dreamy and dissociated. Your brain has started dreaming but your body hasn't quite caught up.

It can be dangerous if you're disinhibited or black out. Just make sure you put your keys an stash away somewhere safe before you begin.

I'm told the best way to get 'high' on it is bigger dose on empty stomach then make sure you stay awake. I've never actually done that though. Seems pretty risky.

 

[TheLightBringer]

The high comes on before you sleep. Obviously that is counterintuitive for a sleep med.

But say you eat a meal before bed so you take your medicine beforehand to make sure it works. Half an hour later you start to feel it as you go to bed. Dreamy and dissociated. Your brain has started dreaming but your body hasn't quite caught up.

It can be dangerous if you're disinhibited or black out. Just make sure you put your keys an stash away somewhere safe before you begin.

I'm told the best way to get 'high' on it is bigger dose on empty stomach then make sure you stay awake. I've never actually done that though. Seems pretty risky.

My favorite way to get high on zolpidem used to be staying up 24+ hours on speed then taking ~15-20mg and smoking a little bit of weed. Those were some of the most unique and interesting hallucinations ive had

I remember one time I felt the zolpidem kicking in and I was sitting on the carpet in my bedroom seeing my room as usual however convinced I was sitting in a grass field surrounded by friends. The carpet was kind of shifting around and glittering and the ”friends” looked similar to shadow people. Everything also had this oil painting look to it, not like on psychedelics but literally like parts of the room were smothered in an oily canvas texture

Ive had other times were ive seen tiny colorful bob the builder looking beings shift around my room before I blacked out

 

[OrconectesLimosus]

Heya
From what you guys wrote, I guess I should try mixing and matching drugs more often. I almost never mix drugs intentionally, it's usually incidental like people offering me a line of this and that while I'm already on something else. I'll get my claws on some amanita and salvia for sure after I move house in december, it's baffling that I never tried those.

Since it's being discussed:
The best way to enjoy zolpidem, from what I've found, is to take it and avoid thinking about zolpidem at all costs, avoid trying to notice the effects. Taking a walk or talking with people and generally not sitting still and waiting seem to potentiate the more desirable effects, like mania and actual psychosis. I think having a light low-fat meal is better than taking it on an empty stomach - the super fast comeup on an empty stomach aggressively puts you in a delirious, chaotic state that's not very interesting. For the same reason, I think lower doses (20-40mg) are preferrable, super high doses doses just make you retarded and manic. Thoughts must be disorganized enough to start forming strange connections, but still organized enough to mantain a sort of "Narrative" with the delusions. Nasal route is very different from oral and way worse IMO, just a dumb feel good high that lasts very little.
I've tried the combination of zolpidem and pregabalin and it was interesting, possibly because I was somewhat sleep deprived. It seems to potentiates the manic psychotic state. I remember stuff like seeing tigers and giant spiders, hearing voices or everything becoming blue. Pregabalin also helps with the horrible zolpidem comedown.

method tl;dr: take after a light meal, avoid super-high doses, concentrate on a mental or physical task, avoid thinking about having taken zolpidem.

 

[OrconectesLimosus]

Also fun fact: zolpidem was the first drug I tried, and the chain of events that led to me taking zolpidem was sort of funny.

I saw the film Leon (1994) and became obsessed with the bad guy, Norman Stansfield played by Gary Oldman. Crooked cop character, joker-ish, that constantly crunches mysterious pills that make him manic and psychotic. Among fans there's a lot of speculation about what he's taking - some say amphetamine, other say benzos, other PCP or even combinations of all of them. I think zolpidem is the absolute best match.
Minutes after finishing the movie I decided to crunch some pills in the bathroom and miraculously went for the zolpidem pills which were prescribed to my dad.
It's so funny to me that I happened to have the specific drug that most resembles the drug used by that character.
This obviously heightened the obsession to dangerous levels. I cosplayed as that guy a couple times, obviously while very high on zolpidem. I don't think anyone recognized the character though.