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Alcohol GHB of unknown concentration

Foreigner

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Hope I tagged this post right, sorry if not.

Long story short... life's been a shit show lately and I'm broke on top of it all. I just want to get drunk, but I can't tolerate ingesting the quantities of alcohol. A friend had GHB in his freezer, he's had it for a couple of years, about 20mL. Gave it to me. He has used this batch himself but couldn't remember the concentration or how many mL he used to take of it. Also claims that it had some evaporation (not sure). I've also never done G before.

I'm aware of all the safety data on this drug already, I know the risks on paper. Should I just take drop doses and go from there?
 
if you must than start with 1ml, wait for min or 5min if it is salty its ghb if not than gbl would be industrial taste like bad taste, max 2ml but after 1hr try to be somewhere where you cant fall also well sit on couch or similar.

do not mix it with benzos or alcohol

let us know what it is as how you are

just be safe ok.
 
ĐmantuNJofra said:
if you must than start with 1ml, wait for min or 5min if it is salty its ghb if not than gbl would be industrial taste like bad taste, max 2ml but after 1hr try to be somewhere where you cant fall also well sit on couch or similar.

do not mix it with benzos or alcohol

let us know what it is as how you are

just be safe ok.
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Do G and GBL have the same dosing thresholds?
 
"At around 0.7-1.0 gram of GHB per millilitre of water (g/ml),
the solution becomes quite viscous, and may even begin to crystallise"

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_article1.shtml

Never made it so thick but i knew how much went in.
Evian, GBL/ Gamma-Butyro-Lactone total amount of total ml.
GBL pure [food-grade] 1 ml. will equal 1.66 gr GHB.
So the dose equal to GHB in each ml. was known.

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/GBL

Add the right amount of NaOH/ SodiumHydrOxide [100%/ food-grade].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_hydroxide
[very often named Caustic Soda which damages human tissue !]
edit: made a error. Shoul be NaOH. Not HydroChloride a relative of ChlorHydrate.
A sedative/ hypnotic! So⚠️☣️⚠️, Not ! HCl/ HydroChloride. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloride

Exothermic reaction. so go slow. Measure the PH after.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid

Just state it so you get residue HCl. is unwanted. To basic can melt skin,
and mucous membranes. 1 is basic/ 14 Acidic. Ph. Should be around 7/ neutral.
In the finished product The Ph. is easy checked with a Ph. paper/ strip.
[why wearing glove/ mask and goggles is not unnecessary effort]

When kept sealed there should not be any/ little evaporation.
How was it kept ? Over a 'couple of year s', What condition s ?
[frozen, seems preferred]. Didn t it get stale.
Don t no much about storing, made it as needed .

Its simple to do some random test s, without knowing what substance it is !
You know your friend, does he know GHB/ GBL ?
Access GBL is less of a problem in the end product, then HCl.

"The three distinct species of lactone, free acid and anion may all coexist in an aqueous sample containing GHB.The relative concentration, or distribution, of these species is a function of solution pH and may be determinedfrom the equilibrium constants. At equilibrium, GHB exists predominantly as the anion under basic conditions(pH greater than 7), occurring as dissolved salts, commonly with sodium or potassium as the counter-ion.Under moderately acidic conditions (pH less than 4), the free acid and GammaButyroLactone predominate in aqueous solution in a proportion of approximately 30% GHB to 70% GBL. Most aqueous samples of GHB, though, fall in the intermediate region between pH 4 and 6 where a mixture of all three species occurs."

https://www.swgdrug.org/Monographs/GAMMA-HYDROXYBUTYRATE.pdf

GBL properties and 1.4-BD a GHB mimic.
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/1,4-Butanediol
GBL solely is a lot like GHB [ime more habit forming].
Taste s like paint thinner, dilute it ! pure ingestion will burn your throat.
Seems a bit more dangerous, With 1.4-BD/ Butanediol i have no experience.

Just read part of the above, maybe the one typing got distracted:
"Physically, it is a hygroscopic colorless oily liquid with a barely noticeable characteristic odor. Unlike GHB, 1,4-Butanediol has a distinct taste, described as being repulsive, plastic-like and chemical."

The truth, GHB is odouless but tastes unpleasant salty.
GBL taste like nail polish remover or some sort of chemical solvent.
1.4-BD/ Butanediol i assume like wise, but sounded even more nasty to me.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
"At around 0.7-1.0 gram of GHB per millilitre of water (g/ml),
the solution becomes quite viscous, and may even begin to crystallise"

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_article1.shtml

Never made it so thick but i knew how much went in.
Evian, GBL/ Gamma-Butyro-Lactone total amount of total ml.
GBL pure [food-grade] 1 ml. will equal 1.66 gr GHB.
So the dose equal to GHB in each ml. was known.

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/GBL

Add the right amount of HCl/ Hydrochloric-acid [100%/ food-grade].
Exothermic reaction. so go slow. Measure the PH after.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid

Just state it so you get residue HCl. is unwanted. To basic can melt skin,
and mucous membranes. 1 is basic/ 14 Acidic. Ph. Should be around 7/ neutral.
In the finished product The Ph. is easy checked with a Ph. paper/ strip.
[why wearing glove/ mask and goggles is not unnecessary effort]

When kept sealed there should not be any/ little evaporation.
How was it kept ? Over a 'couple of year s', What condition s ?
[frozen, seems preferred]. Didn t it get stale.
Don t no much about storing, made it as needed .

Its simple to do some random test s, without knowing what substance it is !
You know your friend, does he know GHB/ GBL ?
Access GBL is less of a problem in the end product, then HCl.

"The three distinct species of lactone, free acid and anion may all coexist in an aqueous sample containing GHB.The relative concentration, or distribution, of these species is a function of solution pH and may be determinedfrom the equilibrium constants. At equilibrium, GHB exists predominantly as the anion under basic conditions(pH greater than 7), occurring as dissolved salts, commonly with sodium or potassium as the counter-ion.Under moderately acidic conditions (pH less than 4), the free acid and GammaButyroLactone predominate in aqueous solution in a proportion of approximately 30% GHB to 70% GBL. Most aqueous samples of GHB, though, fall in the intermediate region between pH 4 and 6 where a mixture of all three species occurs."

https://www.swgdrug.org/Monographs/GAMMA-HYDROXYBUTYRATE.pdf

GBL properties and 1.4-BD a GHB mimic.
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/1,4-Butanediol
GBL solely is a lot like GHB [ime more habit forming].
Taste s like paint thinner, dilute it ! pure ingestion will burn your throat.
Seems a bit more dangerous, With 1.4-BD/ Butanediol i have no experience.

Just read part of the above, maybe the one typing got distracted:
"Physically, it is a hygroscopic colorless oily liquid with a barely noticeable characteristic odor. Unlike GHB, 1,4-Butanediol has a distinct taste, described as being repulsive, plastic-like and chemical."

The truth, GHB is odouless but tastes unpleasant salty.
GBL taste like nail polish remover or some sort of chemical solvent.
1.4-BD/ Butanediol i assume like wise, but sounded even more nasty to me.
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Thanks for the info. The viscosity info was especially helpful. I am currently keeping it in the freezer so it's quite thick by default (but not frozen). I will let it come to room temp to try and assess the viscosity.
 
Foreigner said:
hanks for the info. The viscosity info was especially helpful. I am currently keeping it in the freezer so it's quite thick by default (but not frozen). I will let it come to room temp to try and assess the viscosity.
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Just out of curiosity, any reason you can't just bake it back to a solid in the oven?
 
Foreigner said:
Interesting idea. That would certainly let me reformulate so I could know the true concentration
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It's what I usually do postproduction or with any of unknown concentration.
Nothing fancy just a Pyrex baking tray in oven on 150c heat and scrape up the soapy solids when fully evaporated.
Store in the freezer using an appropriate Tupperware container
 
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Serious in the day s auto-defrost was unknown here, to me.
Never dried a GHB solution, or evaporated. knew it could be done.

De-hydrating using a de-frost seem s a handy way !
No experience, would be my fist go to.

'Freeze-dried foods have become increasingly popular in recent years due to their long shelf life, lightweight, and retention of nutrients. While traditional freeze dryers can be expensive and bulky, many people are now turning to dehydrators as a more affordable and space-saving alternative.'

Expensive bullshit. am about the only person, with manual de-frost in my freezer.

Put a cloth on it, in case of Tupperware otherwise it won t defrost]
If the freezer is un- sanitary. Clean it need s to be done any way.

It s Du-Tee ! Like my typing pad,
it sticks and backspace and delete are sticky.
Germs & Du-Tee. :sick:
 
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Docta said:
It's what I usually do postproduction or with any of unknown concentration.
Nothing fancy just a Pyrex baking tray in oven on 150c heat and scrape up the soapy solids when fully evaporated.
Store in the freezer using an appropriate Tupperware container
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The heat won't destroy the drug or affect quality?
 
Foreigner said:
The heat won't destroy the drug or affect quality?
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Nope not at all.

The melting point of both salts of GHB (sodium & potassium) falls between 140-150c, give or take a couple of degrees. That's way before sublimation or decomp.

The water evaporates to leave the molten salt that solidifies on cooling to leave a soap/wax like substance that the salt of GHB.

Na-GHB / K-GHB under normal conditions are sold not liquid.
 
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I just wanted to give an update. I didn't end up using the evaporation method, I just titrated my dose from small micro-doses up to what I felt was a tolerable dose. I've decided that G isn't for me... I don't like how it feels. I don't like alcohol either so this isn't shocking.

The taste was very salty.

Thanks a lot to those who helped me and gave advice.
 
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