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Benzos Is 16.75 mg of xanax a safe amount to take at once?

BlueVex said:
To be honest I am not in the best mental state at the moment, I just want to forget about everything for a long long while. Which is why I asked.
I'll probably just stick to doing 3 mg at once but I was curious if it would be safe or not.
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3-5 mg should be plenty to knock you out for 8-14 hours. Than you can do that x many more times. I will not judge I hypothetically numbed with benzos for a couple of years --- I had to so I could be strong for the people that weren't numb. (or so I tell myself)

for further context the person that had a seizure on Lyrica just got out of the hospital after a traumatic experience and took 3 75 mg pregabilins and (about) 18 mg of clonazolam (About 2x as potent as Xanax longer duration, stronger)
 
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BadBoy377 said:
Whereas regular mild benzo use is perhaps worse than regular heavyish alcohol use? Phsyiologically, the alcohol is worse. But the addiction risks are worth with regular benzos, even light.
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I would almost argue that alcohol use is worse as it is a neurotoxin -- really cancerous to everything but the retina of your eye. Ranked the #1 most harmful drug (That included to others as well though) by the NICHS (Or w/e the acronym is lol - there may still be a link)

Addiction -- I would say alcohol is worse honestly. It is stronger (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) it hits the Gabba receptor more directly, and the duration is much shorter so re-dosing is needed.

In general I feel like drugs with longer halflifes are less addictive --- ala cocaine v crack. Perhaps that is an over simplification....

Either way W/D's from either lead to seizure and possibly death --- what I will say for alcohol is unless you run out of money you can grab more. (no risk of plug vanishing)
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
I would almost argue that alcohol use is worse as it is a neurotoxin -- really cancerous to everything but the retina of your eye. Ranked the #1 most harmful drug (That included to others as well though) by the NICHS (Or w/e the acronym is lol - there may still be a link)

Addiction -- I would say alcohol is worse honestly. It is stronger (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) it hits the Gabba receptor more directly, and the duration is much shorter so re-dosing is needed.

In general I feel like drugs with longer halflifes are less addictive --- ala cocaine v crack. Perhaps that is an over simplification....

Either way W/D's from either lead to seizure and possibly death --- what I will say for alcohol is unless you run out of money you can grab more. (no risk of plug vanishing)
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Nice one, thanks 🙂
 
BadBoy377 said:
Whereas regular mild benzo use is perhaps worse than regular heavyish alcohol use? Phsyiologically, the alcohol is worse. But the addiction risks are worth with regular benzos, even light.
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Something like that, at least when it comes to withdrawal ethanol is quite unique in comparison to other GABAergics. It generally takes a lot longer to build the same tolerance to ethanol and for withdrawal to set in.

Altough it makes me wonder if that occurence is more common with direct agonists like muscimol for example which doesnt seem to have as bad of a withdrawal as benzos and other PAMs either…. 🤔
 
The pharmacology of alcohol is unique as hell though, direct GABA-A receptor agonist, NMDA antagonist, not to mention other effects on VGCC, adenosine, glycine, muscarinic receptors, acetylcholine, Opioid PAM and ion channels I wont go into detail on and a few more. To me alcohol always felt like a mix between dissociatives and benzodiazepines.

If you remove the GABAergic benzoy feeling from alcohol youd be left with a typical dissociative feeling. If you remove the dissociative feeling from alcohol youd be left with a more benzo-ish feeling imo

But I feel like Im going off topic, this deserves a thread of its own with more in depth detail
 
Benzos are hypnotic and loaded with fuckery. My doctor only gives me a certain amount of Ativan
 
^Factual

Some much more so than others --- for me Ambien was a trip to hypnotic fuckery land.

Actually last time I was in a legit fist fight I was on 14 damn ambiens and my father (RIP) told me before I left the house -- "You are looking to get your ass beat going out like this".....and off I went.

Than I was locked out of the 'business' room at the party --- which I normally ran that damn room. So I had questions ---- xyz says you a snitch --- gimme your phone (Calls xyz who ducked out of the party and went home that he better bring his mouth running ass back and say that shit to my face)

Made everyone throw they cellphones in a pillowcase (as I was on probation hence the 'suspected snitch' situation) --- Got my damn ass beat. Dude had 50-60 lbs on me (No excuses) and I pretty much got my ass kicked. BUT POINT MADE. He was Ejected from the party afterwards not me --- I just had to not bleed on things. Reputation restored. Asswhooping worthwhile --- the 14 ambiens certainly did not help me I am sure though. (Pretty confident I woulda handed dude his ass if I was sober - no excuses though he beat me ass)

Every time those things were trouble for me ---- normal benzos I take to like water --- idk this is just an anectdotal warning of how much these things can vary.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
I will not judge I hypothetically numbed with benzos for a couple of years --- I had to so I could be strong for the people that weren't numb. (or so I tell myself)
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I need to use that phrase too when needed. We are doing them all a favor are we not?? I mean I did that too......with morphine. :)
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
sorry to triple post!
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No apologies needed. I listen to you when it comes to this class of drugs.

notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Let me be clear -- it was not easy and I LOST about 7 years of my life to tapering! (Not the 5 or 6 wild years before that). I mean really cabin in the middle of the woods with that being my sole focus in life --- and I was lucky enough to have plenty to taper with!
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Yeah the warnings are credible. Glad you got out alive and with sense of humor in tact. And also coming back here to help others. I've seen it! And yes you speak clear. Usually people that do (or did) a lot of benzos make a lot of typos. Not smokey, clear as a bell.

These drugs are strange. So over a couple of months I used about 20 5 mgs diazepam pills and 10 .5 lorazepam pills. My last time, a few weeks ago while still in crisis I had to calm down after a crazy day. Took 15 mgs of diazepam and .5 lorazepam. Not that big of a dose. But I noticed I did something to cut the hell out of my tongue. A bloody rip in the middle. Glad all I did was sleep. It took a week to heal. I have no idea what I did but that type stuff is par for the course in amnesiac states. That sucked. I know why people get hurt on these drugs at the very same time the person thinks they do not feel anything. Deceptive.

I hope the OP is in a better state of mind today. I totally get it.
 
ions said:
No. there are better medicines than benzos.
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For knocking yourself out for 12-18 hours with reasonably no risk of overdose?

I do not disagree there are more euphoric drugs at all but for this purpose about 3mg seems on par. (With nothing else in your system except maybe MJ -- greatly intensifies effects for me and I do not think there is any risk of overdose there. If there is I took it believe that! (NOT THAT YOU SHOULD - but I am pretty sure/positive to the most one can be with these things it is safe

TheLightBringer said:
The pharmacology of alcohol is unique as hell though, direct GABA-A receptor agonist, NMDA antagonist, not to mention other effects on VGCC, adenosine, glycine, muscarinic receptors, acetylcholine, Opioid PAM and ion channels I wont go into detail on and a few more. To me alcohol always felt like a mix between dissociatives and benzodiazepines.

If you remove the GABAergic benzoy feeling from alcohol youd be left with a typical dissociative feeling. If you remove the dissociative feeling from alcohol youd be left with a more benzo-ish feeling imo

But I feel like Im going off topic, this deserves a thread of its own with more in depth detail
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Alcohol is kind of no good for me in general - not even during benzo w/d --- however for PAWS it seems to be acceptable. (Now and than of course)
 
No. I was eating 15-20mg of Mexican pharmapram 2mg bars and slamming a
1/5th of 50 proof bourbon a day.

In detox on anticonvulsants I had seizures multiple times daily.

Benzodiazepines and booze are the only 2 withdrawals that can kill you.

If you’re taking that much you’re pretty fucked
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
I would almost argue that alcohol use is worse as it is a neurotoxin -- really cancerous to everything but the retina of your eye. Ranked the #1 most harmful drug (That included to others as well though) by the NICHS (Or w/e the acronym is lol - there may still be a link)

Addiction -- I would say alcohol is worse honestly. It is stronger (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) it hits the Gabba receptor more directly, and the duration is much shorter so re-dosing is needed.

In general I feel like drugs with longer halflifes are less addictive --- ala cocaine v crack. Perhaps that is an over simplification....

Either way W/D's from either lead to seizure and possibly death --- what I will say for alcohol is unless you run out of money you can grab more. (no risk of plug vanishing)
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Benzos and booze act the same on the brain.
 
xXTheGrimOneXx said:
Benzos and booze act the same on the brain.
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Well they both play on the same receptor(Gabba) -- I do believe alcohol hits it more directly though?

By golly when you say slamming bourbon you don't mean IV right? (As that would be silly)

Yup -- barb w/d can kill you too of course. I also believe barbs hit slightly more directly than benzo's --- I wait for @4DQSAR to give a definitive answer though as I bluster my way through this kind of thing....
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Well they both play on the same receptor(Gabba) -- I do believe alcohol hits it more directly though?

By golly when you say slamming bourbon you don't mean IV right? (As that would be silly)

Yup -- barb w/d can kill you too of course. I also believe barbs hit slightly more directly than benzo's --- I wait for @4DQSAR to give a definitive answer though as I bluster my way through this kind of thing....
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Barbs aren’t really prescribed or a big part in my country.
 
No they are pretty much off the table other than through the black/grey market.... I almost got stuck with a batch of metha-methaquaaluone? (One too many methly's - turned out to be pretty toxic so I passed -- low seizure threshold)

In the US benzo analogues are currently legal to possess but barbs --- idk.

Funny story I was once in rehab at 17 (after a full scale raid) and the rehab teacher did not know the difference between barbs and benzos. Cost her job at my hands. ( I was cutthroat when I was younger and she breached my confidentiality) lol
 
I ended up trying onside by cop. Got petitions to detox and psych. Shit hit the fan. Ended me being a menace to society.
 
Benzodiazepines are essentially non-lethal regardless of dosage provided Benzodiazepines are the only central nervous system depressant consumed. This is a very important fact to note: As soon as you throw another depressant into the mix, this can be an Opioid, Alcohol, Barbiturates, GHB etc. you enter into the danger zone. This is all very clinical though. If you want to talk the practical risks of this practice, literally anything can happen when a person blacks out. You can decide to go for a drive, cross in front of a car and get hit, fall asleep on train tracks and get hit, get robbed/raped/murdered without being able to defend yourself adequately.

A normal person without experience with Benzodiazepines can black out with as little as 2mg and most people will black out either partially or completely after 4mg-5mg. There is no good reason to take that much Alprazolam (Xanax). Any potential enjoyment one could get from the drug would be nullified by the fact that you´re not conscious.
 
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