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Benzos Is 16.75 mg of xanax a safe amount to take at once?

Safe? Or recommended.

he acute oral LD 50 in rats is 331–2171 mg/kg. So IF YOU HAVE NO OTHER CNS DEPRESSANTS IN YOUR SYSTEM. (That is important, 1 drink your dead, 1 painpill your dead, hell maybe even a Benadryl or w/e) according to that information 18.5 mg of Xanax is relatively "Safe" to take at once.

May I ask your intentions? Feels like a fair question when someone asks something like this.

You will most likely black out and not remember the time period you are under the influence of that heroic dose so I would maybe call one trusted friend to 'sleep sit' you as it is in this case and make sure you don't get any impulsive ideas while intoxicated. (Most ppl dosing in that range are not in a great mental state - which is why I ask for context)

That said I have been told by nurses who I asked "How much *Klonopin* would it take to OD? (Klonopin in my case; which has more of a chance of OD being a nitrobenzo*)

The answer I got was "Well probably however much it takes to choke to death on it" --- which is a bit of hyperbole but not much. I have known quite a few people to swallow 15-30 of em (Sometimes a suicide attempt) to wake up either just fine or in jail a couple days later.

Hypothetically at one point I was in the triple digit land -- not 100mg either further up than that -- of course my tolerance was sky high.

TL:DR --- You are PROBABLY safe if there are ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER CNS DEPRESSANTS in your system at the time as the LD50 appears about 100mg per pound (Rough KG to LBs estimation - do the math yourself) MOST IMPORTANTLY -- THIS IS NOT MEDICAL ADVICE AND I RECOMMEND YOU DO NOT DO THIS UNLESS YOU FEEL COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE DOING SO.

IMO benzos are under explored --- meth medical dose 10mg -- Recreational like 70 100 mgs ---- noone bats an eye when they do a half gram (500mgs) in a day.
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Apply that to benzos with a lower OD margin and say 2mg is the recommended dose -- multiply that by 7 -- 14mg that is a recreational dose (To me --- But I am a limit pusher). 18.5 feels fine (TO ME).
(14mg x 5 for fun 56mg daily = 1/2 g of meth in habit severity: according to my very crude reductionist formula) Say you take 56 mg of alp a day and ppl seem to freak out way worse than if you say 1/2 g of meth a day -- I do not know if I agree with that.
keep in mind if you run out of meth, your plug vanishes etc --- mostly mental psychosis. At 56mg of Xanax a day you are facing DEATH or severe seizures almost gauaranteed if your connect vanishes. So that is a big difference

But be ready for the difference between a therapeutic and recreational dose - you gunna be feeling it forsure
 
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Lol. Define "safe". Benzos are hard to physically OD on if you have nothing else in your system, as has been said. And, people hooked on them can get up to very high doses. But, that's a knockout dose. Although you might still be walking around on it with a tolerance, walking around knocked out is not safe. Neither is going into a sleep so deep you could conceivably asphyxiate.

Short answer is really "no".
 
Not really. Unless you have a ridiculous tolerance. No judgement there.

It might not kill you outright but very likely to make an otherwise normal situation highly risky.

Seems kinda wasteful at the very least. What are your intentions if you don't mind me asking?
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
You will most likely black out and not remember the time period you are under the influence of that heroic dose so I would maybe call one trusted friend to 'sleep sit' you as it is in this case and make sure you don't get any impulsive ideas while intoxicated. (Most ppl dosing in that range are not in a great mental state - which is why I ask for context)
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That is what happens on therapeutic doses to me. A few weeks ago (emptying a house full of furniture to sell) At night I took 15 mgs of diazepam and 300 mgs of gabapentin. Laid down. I could not remember what I was watching the night before on TV. I feel like I need a psilocybin trip to heal my brain of the amnesia.

16 mgs of xanax would last me months even in crisis mode.

Smokey you are one of the people here that has taken enormous amounts of benzos but post clear, thoughtful and proper grammar posts. Living proof that benzos do not have to eat a brain up. Use the brain as a muscle and it will stay strong.
 
Gabapentin is a whole different animal for me -- couple of those feels like a couple shots of whiskey and a hit of speed. Do not trust the stuff. Certainly you cannot mix it with 16.5 mg of alp and expect to be as safe as if you did not mix

in fact I have seen Lyrica (Pregabalin*sp*) and high dose benzos lead to seizure --- in an already seizure prone person so make your own of that anectdotal experience
 
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JackARoe said:
That is what happens on therapeutic doses to me. A few weeks ago (emptying a house full of furniture to sell) At night I took 15 mgs of diazepam and 300 mgs of gabapentin. Laid down. I could not remember what I was watching the night before on TV. I feel like I need a psilocybin trip to heal my brain of the amnesia.

16 mgs of xanax would last me months even in crisis mode.

Smokey you are one of the people here that has taken enormous amounts of benzos but post clear, thoughtful and proper grammar posts. Living proof that benzos do not have to eat a brain up. Use the brain as a muscle and it will stay strong.
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sorry to triple post! But thank you....sometimes I wonder if I am making any sense myself.

Let me be clear -- it was not easy and I LOST about 7 years of my life to tapering! (Not the 5 or 6 wild years before that). I mean really cabin in the middle of the woods with that being my sole focus in life --- and I was lucky enough to have plenty to taper with!

I was lucky in short. (look at you got me on my best behavior editing my grammar) lol
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Safe? Or recommended.

he acute oral LD 50 in rats is 331–2171 mg/kg. So IF YOU HAVE NO OTHER CNS DEPRESSANTS IN YOUR SYSTEM. (That is important, 1 drink your dead, 1 painpill your dead, hell maybe even a Benadryl or w/e) according to that information 18.5 mg of Xanax is relatively "Safe" to take at once.

May I ask your intentions? Feels like a fair question when someone asks something like this.

You will most likely black out and not remember the time period you are under the influence of that heroic dose so I would maybe call one trusted friend to 'sleep sit' you as it is in this case and make sure you don't get any impulsive ideas while intoxicated. (Most ppl dosing in that range are not in a great mental state - which is why I ask for context)

That said I have been told by nurses who I asked "How much *Klonopin* would it take to OD? (Klonopin in my case; which has more of a chance of OD being a nitrobenzo*)

The answer I got was "Well probably however much it takes to choke to death on it" --- which is a bit of hyperbole but not much. I have known quite a few people to swallow 15-30 of em (Sometimes a suicide attempt) to wake up either just fine or in jail a couple days later.

Hypothetically at one point I was in the triple digit land -- not 100mg either further up than that -- of course my tolerance was sky high.

TL:DR --- You are PROBABLY safe if there are ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER CNS DEPRESSANTS in your system at the time as the LD50 appears about 100mg per pound (Rough KG to LBs estimation - do the math yourself) MOST IMPORTANTLY -- THIS IS NOT MEDICAL ADVICE AND I RECOMMEND YOU DO NOT DO THIS UNLESS YOU FEEL COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE DOING SO.

IMO benzos are under explored --- meth medical dose 10mg -- Recreational like 70 100 mgs ---- noone bats an eye when they do a half gram (500mgs) in a day.
,
Apply that to benzos with a lower OD margin and say 2mg is the recommended dose -- multiply that by 7 -- 14mg that is a recreational dose (To me --- But I am a limit pusher). 18.5 feels fine (TO ME).
(14mg x 5 for fun 56mg daily = 1/2 g of meth in habit severity: according to my very crude reductionist formula) Say you take 56 mg of alp a day and ppl seem to freak out way worse than if you say 1/2 g of meth a day -- I do not know if I agree with that.
keep in mind if you run out of meth, your plug vanishes etc --- mostly mental psychosis. At 56mg of Xanax a day you are facing DEATH or severe seizures almost gauaranteed if your connect vanishes. So that is a big difference

But be ready for the difference between a therapeutic and recreational dose - you gunna be feeling it forsure
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To be honest I am not in the best mental state at the moment, I just want to forget about everything for a long long while. Which is why I asked.
I'll probably just stick to doing 3 mg at once but I was curious if it would be safe or not.
 
BlueVex said:
To be honest I am not in the best mental state at the moment, I just want to forget about everything for a long long while. Which is why I asked.
I'll probably just stick to doing 3 mg at once but I was curious if it would be safe or not
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Fair enough. That sounds more reasonable.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Apply that to benzos with a lower OD margin and say 2mg is the recommended dose -- multiply that by 7 -- 14mg that is a recreational dose (To me --- But I am a limit pusher). 18.5 feels fine (TO ME).
(14mg x 5 for fun 56mg daily = 1/2 g of meth in habit severity: according to my very crude reductionist formula) Say you take 56 mg of alp a day and ppl seem to freak out way worse than if you say 1/2 g of meth a day -- I do not know if I agree with that.
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People freak out over xanax because it is extremly physically addictive and the withdrawal can kill you. Meth can be stopped anytime and not have any physical withdrawal. 56mg xanax is also insane daily id say an equivalent would be closer to 0,5mg medicinal dose, multiplied by 7 = 3,5mg/day then multiplied by 5 like 17,5mg. Maybe around 20mg xanax is equivalent to the 0,5g meth/day habit altough I feel like they cant really be compared since they are so different. Opioids and benzos would be a fairer comparison
 
BlueVex said:
To be honest I am not in the best mental state at the moment, I just want to forget about everything for a long long while. Which is why I asked.
I'll probably just stick to doing 3 mg at once but I was curious if it would be safe or not.
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If you don't have a tolerance, 3mg will be more than enough. Even if you want one of those "reset button" events. Bad day? Take a Zanax... it's tomorrow.
Stay home and watch TV in bed.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
If you don't have a tolerance, 3mg will be more than enough. Even if you want one of those "reset button" events. Bad day? Take a Zanax... it's tomorrow.
Stay home and watch TV in bed.
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I tried this a few times in the last few months too. Using diazepam and lorazepam. Trying to just forget the day I just had, trying to forget my problems and just lay on the couch zone out and go to sleep. The problem with that is tomorrow comes pretty goddamn quick and the same problems are still there. But I do think those reset nights are definitely needed in the middle of heavy crisis.
 
Plus one here for reset nights. Rest brings clarity.

I sometimes wonder what is worse. Getting drunk and a shitty nights sleep or 40mg temazepam just to chill. Or 10mg nitrazepam and a couple of beers for a good sleep.
 
BadBoy377 said:
I sometimes wonder what is worse. Getting drunk and a shitty nights sleep or 40mg temazepam just to chill. Or 10mg nitrazepam and a couple of beers for a good sleep.
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Id say taking benzodiazepines once in a blue moon is objectively less toxic to the body than getting wasted once in a blue moon. However whether or not you can handle the addictive properties is another dilemma…
 
Whereas regular mild benzo use is perhaps worse than regular heavyish alcohol use? Phsyiologically, the alcohol is worse. But the addiction risks are worth with regular benzos, even light.
 
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