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16g nutmeg - moderately moderate and quite quite fun

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Hello, my name might as well be George for the purposes of this document. Although it isn't. I am a 18 year old male with years of cannabis experience, also several lysergic adventures with hawaiian baby woodrose seeds. One experience with speed which did little for me, a few alcohol experiences, synthetic cannabinoids (spice,) codeine, tramadol and finally nutmeg this report will be about my most recent experience with nutmeg which is taking place as I write this. Please note all times given are approximate.

I woke up around 10 am slightly hungover from an impromptu drinking session with my father last night but quickly fixed myself up with tea and breakfast. I'm in a pretty relaxed mindset as usual, hanging around with Bob Dylan and George Harrison.

I always thought of nutmeg as being an all encompassing drug. What I mean by this is that it seems to have some element of every kind of drug. In my previous experiments with this spice I found it at one stage to produce a stimulating, amphetamine like effect, or an alcohol buzz, marijuana high, at later stages at higher doses it can become more like a mild psychedelic mixed with a narcotic opioid.

My intention behind today's experiment is a fairly typical one when it comes to drugs. Recreation. So let's see what happens.


1pm (0:00) Ingested approximately half a 32 gram jar of Schwartz ground nutmeg. Just tipped it from the jar into my mouth and chased with water. The taste was only mildly unpleasant but the texture was that of sand or fine gravel. Before ingestion I had several cups of tea containing black tea, sage, cloves, cardamom, star anise, ginger root and black pepper. Also some minestrone soup.

1:30 (+0:30) no effects felt yet besides a strange sandy feeling in my stomach. I know this stuff takes around 5 hours to kick in so I'll keep my eye on the clock.

2:00 (+1:00) made some peppermint and nettle tea (twynings if you're interested.) Sat on my sofa listening to Sergeant Pepper. Slight effects are presenting themselves but considering its only around an hour since ingestion it is likely to be placebo/expectation. The commonly reported Nutmeg flavoured burps are certainly presenting themselves but it's not really an issue.

3:15 (+2:15) something is definitely beginning to happen here. I feel mildly sedated, calm and bubbly. Stretching feels very nice. Some minor stomach discomfort is noted but nothing too horrid. Will report back when it REALLY begins.

4:30 (+3:30) I feel very faded. I expect the quality of my writing to rapidly deteriorate. I will probably have to edit this when I come back from the other side. Ok I suppose I should describe it a bit more... I feel similar to how I do on cannabis but but with more of a body high. My vision is ever so slightly out of focus and my mind is very relaxed and having some pleasant/interesting thoughts. Definitely entering the realms of what I would call a high. I keep pressing the wrong buttons as I type this. Clearly some coordination has fucked off as well.

Going to eat a full English soon which I'm really looking forward to. George Harrison's "Best of Dark Horse" is the album of the evening. Here comes the moon, Crackerbox palace, Poor little girl. I'm really digging it more than usual (which is usually quite a lot anyway) I feel as though I'm about to start rambling if I haven't already so I'll put the kindle down for now til I actually have something worth saying. I'm intrigued by the fact that this is only the come up and also comforted by the knowledge that I've done this before and don't have any major surprises coming up.

19:15 (+6:15) Slowly but surely getting stronger. The food was brilliant. I am finding it difficult to think in the traditional thought to thought manner. My body feels as though it's made of some kind of liquid metal and tendons. I stretch and contort and find myself sitting in the strangest positions. Have noted some minor physical discomforts such as a twitch or 2 and what I can only reasonably describe as a weird feeling in my heart. But nothing in any way sinister or distressing. I think I will take a shower now, lucky it has chairs and a sauna I guess.

20:30 (+7:30) I had a wonderful shower during which the tone of my high changed somewhat drastically. I went from feeling stoned and sedated as I mentioned earlier to feeling very stimulated while being in a very psychedelic headspace. My imagination became quite vivid in this time as I imagined in depth conversations with myself elaborating on my own personal characteristics and beliefs. It is perhaps worth noting that I spent the vast majority of my time in the shower in complete darkness.

22:30 (+9:30) I am starting to get tired, but not in a sleepy sort of way, more a kind of... already asleep kind of way. Like when you have a dream where you get up in the morning and get ready only to realise soon after that it's a dream. I have been watching "No direction home" a documentary on Bob Dylan. I feel similar to how I did on a mix of weed and codeine. I like it a lot.

23:30 (+10:30) That's it I'm done for the night. My warm leather sofa is calling to me, the quilt feels smoother than usual. The air I breathe feels as though it's gently caressing my lungs. In short I feel pretty blissed out. I'm gonna finish writing this up and call it a night.


Overall I would say that if you're interested in taking nutmeg in this way then please please please just do your research, this stuff can do some pretty interesting things but it can also kill you or leave you in immense physical or mental suffering if you aren't careful. But I think that there is something for everyone here and is worth investigating despite all the bad publicity. The most important thing to remember when taking nutmeg in this way is definitely to stay hydrated, not with beer or fucking coca cola but good clean wet water. Your body and mind will thank you profusely.

I would just like to say as this is my first trip report, that while I don't imagine this report will have any major value to the community it has certainly been a very valuable thing for me as it gave me something to focus my high onto as opposed to my usual routine of simply sitting around being high on my own and then forgetting all about it.
 
I heard it may not even really be very much of a deliriant if at all, and actually I have a theory the so called anticholinergic effects could possibly be from adrenergic 2 agonist effects, or canabinergic effects. I don't know forsure, but I believe it could still be impart by deliriant, or other effects that cause dry mouth, sedation, etc...
 
Hello, my name might as well be George for the purposes of this document. Although it isn't. I am a 18 year old male with years of cannabis experience, also several lysergic adventures with hawaiian baby woodrose seeds. One experience with speed which did little for me, a few alcohol experiences, synthetic cannabinoids (spice,) codeine, tramadol and finally nutmeg this report will be about my most recent experience with nutmeg which is taking place as I write this. Please note all times given are approximate.

I woke up around 10 am slightly hungover from an impromptu drinking session with my father last night but quickly fixed myself up with tea and breakfast. I'm in a pretty relaxed mindset as usual, hanging around with Bob Dylan and George Harrison.

I always thought of nutmeg as being an all encompassing drug. What I mean by this is that it seems to have some element of every kind of drug. In my previous experiments with this spice I found it at one stage to produce a stimulating, amphetamine like effect, or an alcohol buzz, marijuana high, at later stages at higher doses it can become more like a mild psychedelic mixed with a narcotic opioid.

My intention behind today's experiment is a fairly typical one when it comes to drugs. Recreation. So let's see what happens.


1pm (0:00) Ingested approximately half a 32 gram jar of Schwartz ground nutmeg. Just tipped it from the jar into my mouth and chased with water. The taste was only mildly unpleasant but the texture was that of sand or fine gravel. Before ingestion I had several cups of tea containing black tea, sage, cloves, cardamom, star anise, ginger root and black pepper. Also some minestrone soup.

1:30 (+0:30) no effects felt yet besides a strange sandy feeling in my stomach. I know this stuff takes around 5 hours to kick in so I'll keep my eye on the clock.

2:00 (+1:00) made some peppermint and nettle tea (twynings if you're interested.) Sat on my sofa listening to Sergeant Pepper. Slight effects are presenting themselves but considering its only around an hour since ingestion it is likely to be placebo/expectation. The commonly reported Nutmeg flavoured burps are certainly presenting themselves but it's not really an issue.

3:15 (+2:15) something is definitely beginning to happen here. I feel mildly sedated, calm and bubbly. Stretching feels very nice. Some minor stomach discomfort is noted but nothing too horrid. Will report back when it REALLY begins.

4:30 (+3:30) I feel very faded. I expect the quality of my writing to rapidly deteriorate. I will probably have to edit this when I come back from the other side. Ok I suppose I should describe it a bit more... I feel similar to how I do on cannabis but but with more of a body high. My vision is ever so slightly out of focus and my mind is very relaxed and having some pleasant/interesting thoughts. Definitely entering the realms of what I would call a high. I keep pressing the wrong buttons as I type this. Clearly some coordination has fucked off as well.

Going to eat a full English soon which I'm really looking forward to. George Harrison's "Best of Dark Horse" is the album of the evening. Here comes the moon, Crackerbox palace, Poor little girl. I'm really digging it more than usual (which is usually quite a lot anyway) I feel as though I'm about to start rambling if I haven't already so I'll put the kindle down for now til I actually have something worth saying. I'm intrigued by the fact that this is only the come up and also comforted by the knowledge that I've done this before and don't have any major surprises coming up.

19:15 (+6:15) Slowly but surely getting stronger. The food was brilliant. I am finding it difficult to think in the traditional thought to thought manner. My body feels as though it's made of some kind of liquid metal and tendons. I stretch and contort and find myself sitting in the strangest positions. Have noted some minor physical discomforts such as a twitch or 2 and what I can only reasonably describe as a weird feeling in my heart. But nothing in any way sinister or distressing. I think I will take a shower now, lucky it has chairs and a sauna I guess.

20:30 (+7:30) I had a wonderful shower during which the tone of my high changed somewhat drastically. I went from feeling stoned and sedated as I mentioned earlier to feeling very stimulated while being in a very psychedelic headspace. My imagination became quite vivid in this time as I imagined in depth conversations with myself elaborating on my own personal characteristics and beliefs. It is perhaps worth noting that I spent the vast majority of my time in the shower in complete darkness.

22:30 (+9:30) I am starting to get tired, but not in a sleepy sort of way, more a kind of... already asleep kind of way. Like when you have a dream where you get up in the morning and get ready only to realise soon after that it's a dream. I have been watching "No direction home" a documentary on Bob Dylan. I feel similar to how I did on a mix of weed and codeine. I like it a lot.

23:30 (+10:30) That's it I'm done for the night. My warm leather sofa is calling to me, the quilt feels smoother than usual. The air I breathe feels as though it's gently caressing my lungs. In short I feel pretty blissed out. I'm gonna finish writing this up and call it a night.


Overall I would say that if you're interested in taking nutmeg in this way then please please please just do your research, this stuff can do some pretty interesting things but it can also kill you or leave you in immense physical or mental suffering if you aren't careful. But I think that there is something for everyone here and is worth investigating despite all the bad publicity. The most important thing to remember when taking nutmeg in this way is definitely to stay hydrated, not with beer or fucking coca cola but good clean wet water. Your body and mind will thank you profusely.

I would just like to say as this is my first trip report, that while I don't imagine this report will have any major value to the community it has certainly been a very valuable thing for me as it gave me something to focus my high onto as opposed to my usual routine of simply sitting around being high on my own and then forgetting all about it.

Very cool report. thanks :)
 
I heard it may not even really be very much of a deliriant if at all, and actually I have a theory the so called anticholinergic effects could possibly be from adrenergic 2 agonist effects, or canabinergic effects. I don't know forsure, but I believe it could still be impart by deliriant, or other effects that cause dry mouth, sedation, etc...

If It affects GABA & Serotonin It will mimic M1 antgonism & Dopamine agonism.
 
I believe the active compounds are volatile allylbenzenes. They don't sound too appealing given they are found to be cytotoxic.

Still, very interesting that you can get myrsticine from Nutmeg and get to MMDA, which really is an interesting compound!
 
I believe the active compounds are volatile allylbenzenes. They don't sound too appealing given they are found to be cytotoxic.

Still, very interesting that you can get myrsticine from Nutmeg and get to MMDA, which really is an interesting compound!
Too bad we don't know if it forsure metabolizes in the human body myristicin to MMDA, or not.
 
Too bad we don't know if it forsure metabolizes in the human body myristicin to MMDA, or not.
Well, if the metabolites of MMDA are present when ingesting Nutmeg in urine, it means its highly likely it becomes MMDA in the body.

Also, you could test for MMDA directly in urine after ingesting Nutmeg.

I did a quick search, and could not see whether this analysis has been performed. There is a comment in Pihkal that this did happen in Rabbits, but could not find the source. For all it's great content, Pihkal is severely lacking in Index referencing.
 
Well, if the metabolites of MMDA are present when ingesting Nutmeg in urine, it means its highly likely it becomes MMDA in the body.

Also, you could test for MMDA directly in urine after ingesting Nutmeg.

I did a quick search, and could not see whether this analysis has been performed. There is a comment in Pihkal that this did happen in Rabbits, but could not find the source. For all it's great content, Pihkal is severely lacking in Index referencing.
I think it may too, at least in littlier dosages, same with TMA, and other recreational metabolites of Nutmeg.

There's a report of at least one person getting psychedelic effects from one of the metabolites of Elemicin called Oxoelemicinphenethylamine if I'm not mistaken. They said it's about 1.5 times stronger than Mescaline.
 
I think it may too, at least in littlier dosages, same with TMA, and other recreational metabolites of Nutmeg.

There's a report of at least one person getting psychedelic effects from one of the metabolites of Elemicin called Oxoelemicinphenethylamine if I'm not mistaken. They said it's about 1.5 times stronger than Mescaline.
I've also read that MDA has been found in humans urine after consuming Safrole, but that's just what I read.
 
Well, if the metabolites of MMDA are present when ingesting Nutmeg in urine, it means its highly likely it becomes MMDA in the body.

Also, you could test for MMDA directly in urine after ingesting Nutmeg.

I did a quick search, and could not see whether this analysis has been performed. There is a comment in Pihkal that this did happen in Rabbits, but could not find the source. For all it's great content, Pihkal is severely lacking in Index referencing.
Oh shit I just realized you said MMDA metabolites, what metabolites were they?!
 
Well, if the metabolites of MMDA are present when ingesting Nutmeg in urine, it means its highly likely it becomes MMDA in the body.

Also, you could test for MMDA directly in urine after ingesting Nutmeg.

I did a quick search, and could not see whether this analysis has been performed. There is a comment in Pihkal that this did happen in Rabbits, but could not find the source. For all it's great content, Pihkal is severely lacking in Index referencing.
Look what I just read...

Yes, the statement is correct: DMMDA is a metabolite of myristicin, which is a naturally occurring compound found in plants like nutmeg. DMMDA stands for 3,4-methylenedioxy-5-methoxyamphetamine, and it is a psychoactive substance that is structurally similar to other amphetamines, including MDMA.
  • Myristicin as the precursor: Myristicin itself has been explored for its psychoactive potential and can be used in the chemical synthesis of related compounds like DMMDA.
  • Metabolism: When myristicin is metabolized in the body, it can be converted into DMMDA, which can then produce psychotropic effects.
  • Psychoactive effects: The psychoactive effects of DMMDA are similar to those of other amphetamines, such as MDMA.
  • Source: Myristicin is found in high concentrations in nutmeg, which is why nutmeg is sometimes used for its psychoactive effects, although normal dietary intake is unlikely to cause them.
It also listed other metabolites when I looked up recreational metabolites of MMDA just a few moments ago, I picked one, and then googled "Is DMMDA a metabolite of Myristicin?".

I read it's almost, or around the strength of LSD I'm pretty sure it said.
 
Look what I just read...

Yes, the statement is correct: DMMDA is a metabolite of myristicin, which is a naturally occurring compound found in plants like nutmeg. DMMDA stands for 3,4-methylenedioxy-5-methoxyamphetamine, and it is a psychoactive substance that is structurally similar to other amphetamines, including MDMA.
  • Myristicin as the precursor: Myristicin itself has been explored for its psychoactive potential and can be used in the chemical synthesis of related compounds like DMMDA.
  • Metabolism: When myristicin is metabolized in the body, it can be converted into DMMDA, which can then produce psychotropic effects.
  • Psychoactive effects: The psychoactive effects of DMMDA are similar to those of other amphetamines, such as MDMA.
  • Source: Myristicin is found in high concentrations in nutmeg, which is why nutmeg is sometimes used for its psychoactive effects, although normal dietary intake is unlikely to cause them.
It also listed other metabolites when I looked up recreational metabolites of MMDA just a few moments ago, I picked one, and then googled "Is DMMDA a metabolite of Myristicin?".

I read it's almost, or around the strength of LSD I'm pretty sure it said.


EDIT: Now after looking it up again it's saying that it's not a metabolite of Myristicin, or MMDA. Smh 😒🙄
 
Reading up very briefly on MMDA it sounds quite appealing, especially Wikipedia claiming no dopamine or nopinephrine release and stating it’s non neurotoxic.

What a shame, it’s a pipe dream to even think about obtaining.
 
I was just reading Myristicin can be metabolized to MMDA threw CYP1A1, and may explain why only some people get high from Nutmeg (because some don't have that enzyme, or whatever I'm not a chemist lol).

Actually I just made a hold thread avout it.
 
Nutmeg - that's got 1-8% myristicin in the powder and around 8-15% in the essential oil.
 
You mean for all substances?!


Atypical Deliriants affect 5HT2A & Nicotine the same way Classical deliriants affect Dopamine. Go watch Alice in wonderland, the story presents Itself as some trippy fantasy but It outrights shows she suffering from deliriant effects seen In datura.
 
@bigjackaal96 - isn't there an old medical rhyme to describe anticholinergic syndrome?

Hot as a hen,
Dry as a bone,
Red as a beet,
Blind as a bat,
Mad as a hatter,
Full as a flask.

I've had to babysit someone who incautiously consumed a classical deliriant. Interesting but not fun.

Is that indirect dopamine activity that makes such trips good or at least OK for those who repeatedly consume such things?

I also heard an anecdotal story about someone who was given a hand-rolled cigarette that contained the flower of a plant that contains scopolomine and their experience of not knowing exactly what they had consumed, only that it produced charitaristic EOVs and lasted a long, long time. This occured when they were still at school, so I can imagine that being unsettling to say the least.
 
@bigjackaal96 - isn't there an old medical rhyme to describe anticholinergic syndrome?

Hot as a hen,
Dry as a bone,
Red as a beet,
Blind as a bat,
Mad as a hatter,
Full as a flask.

I've had to babysit someone who incautiously consumed a classical deliriant. Interesting but not fun.

Is that indirect dopamine activity that makes such trips good or at least OK for those who repeatedly consume such things?

I also heard an anecdotal story about someone who was given a hand-rolled cigarette that contained the flower of a plant that contains scopolomine and their experience of not knowing exactly what they had consumed, only that it produced charitaristic EOVs and lasted a long, long time. This occured when they were still at school, so I can imagine that being unsettling to say the least.

Your high on dopamine regardless of dose since your D2 levels are 50x higher than someone with acute parkinson's, Doing DPH or datura add's a toxic level of dopamine. It would explain why antipsychotic's can reduce Deliriant dysphoria but not the actual delirium. Hell It explain why SNRI's are god teir with DPH/Datura since 5HT2A & 5HT2C reduce dopamine levels.
 
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