UK full spectrum cannabinoids providing a much more pleasant effect than regular Green.

[KurtAurelius]

I’m just curious to share my experience and see if anyone else has found the same,

I can’t say from where due to sourcing, but there is a website I purchase CBD Buds, that are advertised as CBD but carefully list the product as full spectrum.

Alongside the legal mumbo jumbo of the less than 0.2% THC.

This stuff gets me high, but in a way that feels like what weed “should be”

Normal THC even when titrated and kept very low can cause very strong effects, and although I’ve learnt to manage them, it’s a bit irritating to have a palpating heart, racing paranoid thoughts etc for 30 mins.

This full spectrum stuff will- noticeably relax me in a psychoactive way, not like how CBD does. I’ve had plenty of CBD isolate before and yes it’s relaxing but so subtly.

I get the vision fog that I do from THC, but not to the point where you struggle to see, heavy eyes but pleasant.

Noticeable enhancement of senses, and honestly cognitive euphoria but I belive this is personal due to my very low mood at the moment.

Mindfulness but with that stony train of thought. Anything you do is so easy to focus but thinking is clouded.

The headspace is completely different however, no paranoia, no frames of reference, anxiety and weird perceptions of people and things.

I’m laughing due to the cost and effect. It’s been nice to have a cheeky smoke now and again and enjoy it.

It lasts as long as the “proper stuff”

I have a friend who smokes “proper stuff” and now they mix CBD full spectrum bud and reduce the amount of “proper”

This is someone previously smoking a gram or two of top shelf a day and now they smoke about half a gram of it with a half of this stuff.

My speculation is to some degree of entourage effect happening without the THC present, just not sure what cannabinoids are doing so.

Another explanation is that it could be sprayed etc, but the company is very reputable, reviews good, and I’ve never had a negative experience.

Odd.

 

[helpingout]

Maybe it has thca?

 

[4DQSAR]

Response letter from Dame Diana Johnson to the ACMD (accessible)

www.gov.uk

It's not clear if any of the named compounds are THC-like.

Lst year my wife visited Amsterdam with a friend and on hearing her heavily accented Dutch, the lady selling edibles pointed out in perfect English products that only contained Δ-8-THC remarking that these are the legal ones for you.

Now the stupidity of the Novel Psychoactive Compound Act is extremely vague. Certainly the properties of Δ-8-THC were published decades before the act, so is it 'novel'? I don't know. But I HAVE noted just how few people have gone not guilty when charged under the act. My hypothesis is that since UK law is based on case law, it seems that the CPS is offering much lower sentences because if in one case a defendent can successfully argue that whatever compound(s) the charges were based on are NOT novel, that's going to establish a defence in law.

I have no proof but 79% of defendents go guilty on charges based on the MoDA but the figures for those charged based on the NPS law appears to be in the high 90%s. So something is going on.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Doubt it has sneaky thc in it. You're still using 'normal' weed too but less of it - that high just probably suits you more when combined with the cbd weed

edit - I'll leave the above but I misread you apols - first sentence still stands and the second stands in relation to your friend

I've only had your thc symptoms twice in four decades or so using, but I prefer some full spectrum cbd oil (also 0.2% thc) before my 'usual' smokes thesedays

 

[KurtAurelius]

Doubt it has sneaky thc in it. You're still using 'normal' weed too but less of it - that high just probably suits you more when combined with the cbd weed

edit - I'll leave the above but I misread you apols - first sentence still stands and the second stands in relation to your friend

I've only had your thc symptoms twice in four decades or so using, but I prefer some full spectrum cbd oil (also 0.2% thc) before my 'usual' smokes thesedays

Not using normal weed actually at all, I don’t think it’s sneaky THC rather other cannabinoids causing psychoactive effects.

Edit- damn adhd lol, just saw your own edit, thanks for sharing your experience

 

[Egzoset]

This stuff gets me high, but in a way that feels like what weed “should be”... ... This full spectrum stuff will-noticeably relax me... ... It lasts as long as the “proper stuff”... ... My speculation is to some degree of entourage effect...

Well that's quite a change from the usual wall-of-shame we get most of the time around here, this was quite refreshing.

 

[rave23]

This stuff gets me high, but in a way that feels like what weed “should be”

Could it simply be that your preferences have changed over the years? Might just be that simple. I get what you're saying though. After smoking weed on and off for 15 years or so I don't get high the way I "should be" anymore. The last time I felt the weed doing what it "should do" was when I bought and tried a new tabletop vaporizer, I got that novel feeling of "woah I'm high".

 

[nepalnt21]

so they don't list what other cannabinoids are in it? just label it cbd full spectrum?

 

[Allylbenzene]

UK full spectrum cannabinoids providing a much more pleasant effect than regular Green.

IMO this is largely because above a certain percentage THC causes negative effects. That, plus the fact that regular green tends to lack CBD, CBG and important terpenes which have the role of balancing (and enhancing) THC. In that context it's easy to see how high-THC green kind of sucks. Back in the day the cannabis had reasonable THC levels and a rich profile of cannabinoids and terpenes. If you read about peoples experiences you'll realise that modern stuff is incomparable. Some of these older varieties produced effects that were reminiscent of caffeine and LSD - thats not a joke.

Alongside the legal mumbo jumbo of the less than 0.2% THC.
This stuff gets me high, but in a way that feels like what weed “should be”
...
This full spectrum stuff will- noticeably relax me in a psychoactive way, not like how CBD does. I’ve had plenty of CBD isolate before and yes it’s relaxing but so subtly.
...
This is someone previously smoking a gram or two of top shelf a day and now they smoke about half a gram of it with a half of this stuff.
My speculation is to some degree of entourage effect happening without the THC present, just not sure what cannabinoids are doing so.

UK CBD flower could contain any number of cannabinoids and terpenes. Many of these are often missing from regular THC-type flower which is why people enjoy combining them as you described.

I'd estimate that Cannabis terpenes contribute to at least 50% of the overall high/theraputic effect. There is plenty of info & research on their pharmacolgoical properties. The picture below covers the more common terpenes but there are at least 100+ of them. The unique profile of terpenes is what defines a "strain" (or one of its phenotypes). If you ever want to "customise your high" you can buy pre-mixed terpenes pretty easily/cheaply since plant essential oils are sold OTC (get the theraputic grade steam-distilled ones), but terpene isolates are also OTC. Eg, I used to buy pure limonene and apply 1/3 of a drop to a rizzla using a toothpick, but now prefer to use lemon essential oil which contains mostly limonene, pinene and y-terpinene. Ditto for all the other terpenes. Linalool/myrcene for added relaxation, pinene/cineole for energetic activies, ocimene/phellandrene for "trippyness" etc

As for cannabinoids, the combination of CBD + CBG is known to create similar effects to THC, iirc it's a ratio of 1:2 CBD:CBG that does it. CBG flower is also available in the UK. The other cannabinoids (see image below - varinoids & olivetoids) will have their own effects, but the magic is from cannabinoids + a "proper" terpene profile. I'm guessing that CBD/G-type flower might contain CBDV, CBGV and probably small amounts of the CBC/E/L/T ones (see image). Maybe even THCV. The amounts might be small but entourage ftw.

 

[nepalnt21]

(i've said this before and ill say it again until i'm blue in the face lol)

there's is perhaps a real effect, idk... but i personally don't put too much faith in terpenes. i know sam skunkman was really religious about them, but the budtenders just blindly regurgitating "myrcene is the indica terp" when i know that to be at least misleading and perhaps even complete b.s... considering my favorite indicas have moderate or low myrcene and many of the most legendary sativas have high myrcene; look at the hazes... like the NL5 x hazeA aka a5-haze which seems to have a very reliable myrcene boosting property in its genetics... what i mean is hybrids of a5 haze tend to have VERY high myrcene... or like oldtimer's haze which pretty much only has myrcene in its chemotype with trace anything else... and yet reliably gives a very sativa, clear-minded and even stimulating effect.

to me this means there's more to it than the talking points that the budtenders try to sell (which i find pretty unethical since they're selling weed to patients)...


but i am gonna take a wild guess that cannabinoids have a much greater influence. trace cannabinoids, etc.

 

[Allylbenzene]

I don't really "follow" sam skunkman or budtenders, more the pharmacological research paired with my own experience. But I can see what you mean and why budtenders might give false impressions.
They might technically be correct if they were talking about the effects of isolated terpenes but as you know Cannabis contains a complex mixture. Have you ever tried pure myrcene, limonene, pinene, linalool, ocimene etc and explored what effects they have? That's worth doing as it can be really eye-opening...it taught me a few things about what terpenes bring to the table.

What's interesting is if you look at older varieties you'll see that many of the genuine Sativas (reported to act like a stimulant) contain terpenes which budtenders would label "indica". If you look at the strains in ACE seeds catalogue you can see this first hand. Some of their most potent genuine Sativa varieties contain myrcene, linalool and nerolidol which are classic "indica" terpenes. Limonene is another good example, it's an uplifting energisier but in higher doses (and in the right terpene context) it has potent stoning effects which a budtender would call "indica" effects. IMO these so-called "indica" terpenes contribute to the overall uplifting effect of a Sativa by virtue of their anti-stress/calming effects, if you consider their actual pharmacological properties that is.

This is partly why I can confidently say that terpenes contribute to at least 50% of Cannabis' overall theraputic effects.
Maybe it's something like 45% terpenes, 45% cannabinoids and 10% synergy between the two?
...and then the terpenes contribution is 40% terpenes and 5% synergy between them. I think this is becoming pseudo-maths...

 

[KurtAurelius]

IMO this is largely because above a certain percentage THC causes negative effects. That, plus the fact that regular green tends to lack CBD, CBG and important terpenes which have the role of balancing (and enhancing) THC. In that context it's easy to see how high-THC green kind of sucks. Back in the day the cannabis had reasonable THC levels and a rich profile of cannabinoids and terpenes. If you read about peoples experiences you'll realise that modern stuff is incomparable. Some of these older varieties produced effects that were reminiscent of caffeine and LSD - thats not a joke.


UK CBD flower could contain any number of cannabinoids and terpenes. Many of these are often missing from regular THC-type flower which is why people enjoy combining them as you described.

I'd estimate that Cannabis terpenes contribute to at least 50% of the overall high/theraputic effect. There is plenty of info & research on their pharmacolgoical properties. The picture below covers the more common terpenes but there are at least 100+ of them. The unique profile of terpenes is what defines a "strain" (or one of its phenotypes). If you ever want to "customise your high" you can buy pre-mixed terpenes pretty easily/cheaply since plant essential oils are sold OTC (get the theraputic grade steam-distilled ones), but terpene isolates are also OTC. Eg, I used to buy pure limonene and apply 1/3 of a drop to a rizzla using a toothpick, but now prefer to use lemon essential oil which contains mostly limonene, pinene and y-terpinene. Ditto for all the other terpenes. Linalool/myrcene for added relaxation, pinene/cineole for energetic activies, ocimene/phellandrene for "trippyness" etc

As for cannabinoids, the combination of CBD + CBG is known to create similar effects to THC, iirc it's a ratio of 1:2 CBD:CBG that does it. CBG flower is also available in the UK. The other cannabinoids (see image below - varinoids & olivetoids) will have their own effects, but the magic is from cannabinoids + a "proper" terpene profile. I'm guessing that CBD/G-type flower might contain CBDV, CBGV and probably small amounts of the CBC/E/L/T ones (see image). Maybe even THCV. The amounts might be small but entourage ftw.

Thank you so much for this well written reply.

Eloquent and highlighted some areas I wasn’t so familiar with, it’s nice to have more concrete details compared to my very limited speculation.

I may try just cbd and cbg at some point. THC has such a small margin and is not personally needed.

I didn’t want to bore everyone with details but it makes it far more medical and utilitarian. I’d like to wager as you’ve stated why there is more issues with Cannabis today.

I’ve always heard firm it is due to unbalanced profile, duh to much of one thing is a bad thing this case being THC.

 

[nepalnt21]

Have you ever tried pure myrcene, limonene, pinene, linalool, ocimene etc

yes to myrcene, i found it to not contribute much except a lot of sneezing and the smell/ taste of plastic/ solvent (i dunno who thinks that's "fruity" but it's definitely not fruity at all to me)... and now i can smell it in the weed when i get high myrcene stuff, so i know its legit. i also got beta pinene and alpha pinene, linalool (strangely a lot like myrcene but more flowery and lavendery of course)... and i forget if others,

but most importantly alpha caryophyllene (aka humulene) and my favorite (beta) CARYOPHYLLENE!!! whoever said "spicy" black pepper doesn't have my nose... it's the woody, elegant, sensual side of black pepper... not pungent/ spicy at all.

i look for caryophyllene in my weed now... it's the best.

i find both caryophyllene & humulene to have a kinda (subtle) dissociative effect on their own, but just the smell alone... it smells like something mystical, magical... sensual and forbidden! subtle as hell but wonderful! kinda hits the same part of my psyche as brugmansia flowers or one of the fragrant ornamental daturas when they flower at night. they don't smell like caryophyllene, but it makes me feel a certain way, a certain je ne sais quoi.

i haven't done a ton of back and forth experimenting, but i find cannabinoids to have much more profound fx... like cbc, for example.

 

[Allylbenzene]

Thank you so much for this well written reply.

Eloquent and highlighted some areas I wasn’t so familiar with, it’s nice to have more concrete details compared to my very limited speculation.

I may try just cbd and cbg at some point. THC has such a small margin and is not personally needed.

I didn’t want to bore everyone with details but it makes it far more medical and utilitarian. I’d like to wager as you’ve stated why there is more issues with Cannabis today.

I’ve always heard firm it is due to unbalanced profile, duh to much of one thing is a bad thing this case being THC.

What I found surprising is that some of the earlier varieties (expressing a rich terpene & cannabinoid profile) which were described as potent contained around 10% THC (!). On paper by todays standards this would be dismissed as weak. The main difference is that modern varieties express a fairly limited terpene/cannabinoid profile which limits their potential. Several terpenes have properties which are identical to many psychedelics which gives you an idea of their potential (especially when combined with THC etc). Some terpenes share identical properties with opioids, benzos and even THC. As in terpenes directly and indirectly affect the cannabinoid CB1 receptor, the opioid receptors and the GABA receptors. The most famous cannabinoid terpene is "Beta Caryophyllene" but there are several others. The most well-known "psychedelic" terpene is terpinolene (5-HT2A activity) but older Cannabis varieties contained many others alongside it.

The cannabinoids are undeniably potent in their own way but IMO it's the terpenes which add colour to the experience.

With that in mind, your cannabinoid mixes would definitely benefit from including some terpene oils. Which ones you choose depends on what effect you are looking for, eg energising, cognitive enhancement, relaxation, psychedelic etc. Cannabis can express terpene oils from a diverse range of plants so it's possible to use the oils from these plants directly.

 

[WellTram]

I just want to share my experience with medication containing terpenes from lavender including linalool. Just 80mg silica extract ( 1 capsule ) provided calming effects and taking more than 2 caps resulted in potent anxiolitic and instant antidepressive effect, sometimes even made me laugh on nothing for minutes and i instantly realized it felt like cannabis high back in the days when i was kid just without any visuals or being dumb. It felt a lot like weed i smoked back in past. Weed here was probably rich in terpenes.

 

[Allylbenzene]

experience with medication containing terpenes from lavender including linalool. Just 80mg silica extract ( 1 capsule ) provided calming effects and taking more than 2 caps resulted in potent anxiolitic and instant antidepressive effect, sometimes even made me laugh on nothing for minutes and i instantly realized it felt like cannabis high back in the days when i was kid just without any visuals or being dumb.

Linalool is a good one, it's got a wild mix of relaxing (GABA, adenosine) effects, cannabinoid action (CB1 interaction), opioid effects (mu receptor interaction), dopamine effects (D2 interaction) and "glutamate blocking" (aka "NMDA antagonist") which is the property that all disassociatives have (eg ketamine, DXM, agmatine).

Very underrated, I think many people don't realise these oils are OTC and potent. In the UK most supermarkets sell lavander oil capsules as sleep aids. Some might sell limonene or peppermint oil capsules, both have psychoactive potential. You'll find better selections in aromatherapy shops.

This thread has reports on lemon oils psychoactive effects, and this one on rosemary oil.

 

[WellTram]

Linalool is a good one, it's got a wild mix of relaxing (GABA, adenosine) effects, cannabinoid action (CB1 interaction), opioid effects (mu receptor interaction), dopamine effects (D2 interaction) and "glutamate blocking" (aka "NMDA antagonist") which is the property that all disassociatives have (eg ketamine, DXM, agmatine).

Very underrated, I think many people don't realise these oils are OTC and potent. In the UK most supermarkets sell lavander oil capsules as sleep aids. Some might sell limonene or peppermint oil capsules, both have psychoactive potential. You'll find better selections in aromatherapy shops.

This thread has reports on lemon oils psychoactive effects, and this one on rosemary oil.

They sell 80mg per capsule lavender silica extract containing terpenes OTC for better sleep, to reduce depression and anxiety. Its quite expensive but when i tried it i was very surprised that OTC, plant - based medication hit me ( and in a good way ) more than many psychiatric medications but not a lot people try it because of price and stigma of OTC plant medications being placebo. Yes many are complete nonsense but this terpenes have huge potential. It was like taking serotonergic benzodiazepine honestly..

 

[Allylbenzene]

They sell 80mg per capsule lavender silica extract containing terpenes OTC for better sleep, to reduce depression and anxiety. Its quite expensive but

It shouldn't be so expensive. A 10ml bottle of steam-distilled therapeutic grade "ho wood" oil contains 97%+ linalool and costs about £4 here. One dose is around 4 drops (diluted in some olive oil ofc), which equates to around 60 doses at £0.06 per dose. A bag of 100 empty capsules is fairly cheap too.

It was like taking serotonergic benzodiazepine honestly..

I had a look and it turns out that linalool interacts with a serotonin receptor (5-HT1A) ... and an adrenergic receptor (alpha-2) which is the one that lowers adrenaline and increases natural opioids. Combined with the other effects I mentioned earlier (especially the GABA one) that could definitely resemble a serotonergic benzo type vibe.

 

[WellTram]

It shouldn't be so expensive. A 10ml bottle of steam-distilled therapeutic grade "ho wood" oil contains 97%+ linalool and costs ~£4 here. One dose is around 4 drops (diluted in some olive oil ofc), which equates to ~60 doses and ~£0.06 per dose. A bag of 100 empty capsules is fairly cheap too.


I had a look and it turns out that linalool interacts with a serotonin receptor (5-HT1A) ... and an adrenergic receptor (alpha-2) which is the one that lowers adrenaline and increases natural opioids. Combined with the other effects I mentioned earlier (especially the GABA one) that could definitely resemble a serotonergic benzo type vibe.

13-15€ for 24 caps in pharmacy. So now it makes sense, imidiately it was like weed gigles now when i think about it i would say it felt like serotonergic benzo and information u posted really made it clear for me why i have that feeling about it.

 

[Allylbenzene]

13-15€ for 24 caps in pharmacy

€15 = £13 which is pretty expensive for 24 caps! Then again it'll be a branded product which is probably sold in a pharmacy or organic shop hence the price.

[edit]
I can see it's a patented product, that would explain the price.

Lavender has a long history of traditional use and its essential oil was found to possess a wide range of biological effects. Evidence of the effectiveness of the lavender essential oil in the pharmacotherapy of mental disorders led to the development of XXX a specially prepared and patented lavender oil from L. angustifolia flowers. XXX is approved in Germany for the treatment of restlessness related to anxiety...

So someone patented lavender essential oil (terpenes from Lavender flowers). I wouldn't be surprised if peppermint oil has also been patented since it's fairly well-known for it's various medicinal uses.

PS. ignore "doterra" it's a ripoff company.
They sell 10ml Lemon oil for £14.
The normal price for 10ml is £4.