Opioids How many times have u been throught WDS ( taper included ) ?

[WellTram]

Hello.
This is, me.
I have been throught at least 30 withdrawals from opioids. Tapering most of opioids is just like cold turkey, but without the most horrible symptoms like vomiting and not being able to drink and eat, most of the tíme.
I am on the day i don't remember, probably 14+ of taper. Today i had 75mg tramadol in the morning, 37,5mg today.
I started tapering from +- 200mg oxy + 300mg tram or 1200+mg tram daily. Dihydrocoide included sometimes.
Yesterday i had 2,5 dcl of vodka :D 40 % alcohol on top of 3mg alprazolam, i noticed i couldn't feel drunk. My friend ( light-kratom user) had the same and he was drunk af :D
Ok, back to the topic.
I attempted suicide in the proces 3 times, no success. Today i feel only tired, very tired just like yesterday but today i had less tramadol, much less and my night was full of sleep thanks to 50mg ( or 100mg ? ) can't remember chlirprothexin ( antipsychotic), 1mg alprazolam, 30mg mirtazapine and 16mg cyproheptadine...all of this just to sleep..

What about you ?

 

[daturetard]

Do you count waking up?

 

[Opana313]

Yeah bro every morning for the past 15-25yrs I lost track really how long of use. It used to just be every time I had to wait a week for my paycheck,..which became every time. So an umpteenth amount of times kicking waiting to re-up OP.

Did I follow through or just take the next when it was available? I followed through a few times, once for like 2 months others like 2 weeks..

Now I am doing better and do not wake up feeling like shit, it took a good while to realize that I will feel like shit regardless and cravings and found some psychological stuff that creates physical symptoms are bs and if you wait it out it passes..this is realized on lsd cravings and triggers 4 sure

 

[WellTram]

Do you count waking up?

Yes, we can count waking, up, what the fucked up mornings and days we have been through...oh my god...it's a shame there isn't tolerance for withdrawals, only for highs, u know i mean the time u are supposed to be high but you are only normal or relaxed or i dont know...we build tolerance to that, we deserve one for the withdrawals too...

 

[WellTram]

Yeah bro every morning for the past 15-25yrs I lost track really how long of use. It used to just be every time I had to wait a week for my paycheck,..which became every time. So an umpteenth amount of times kicking waiting to re-up OP.

Did I follow through or just take the next when it was available? I followed through a few times, once for like 2 months others like 2 weeks..

Now I am doing better and do not wake up feeling like shit, it took a good while to realize that I will feel like shit regardless and cravings and found some psychological stuff that creates physical symptoms are bs and if you wait it out it passes..this is realized on lsd cravings and triggers 4 sure

Wow i mention we don't build tolerance for withdrawals but realizing now, we actually can psychologycaly addapt to that state of being and living, i think it happened to me now, after break up from 7 years of relationship and few trips, now i take a pill or two of dihydrocodeine every now and than ( just 60mg sustained release ) and i can't sleep, so i think about all of this....Its almost 15 years of my life living high and down, all mixed up...now i can't sleep but i don't wan't to take any mirtazapine or something like that...I should exercise every day, i did tonight cause one certain place in the middle - right higher back is in pain

 

[shreddedlettuce]

"From dusk til dawn"

 

[Opana313]

Yeah WD for sure gets worse the older you are and the longer the use but also I think your mind plays a big role in the wd symptoms sometimes way prematurely which is your bodies physical reaction to a psychological panic or anxiety of what YOU KNOW as withdrawal symptoms.

I never knew I was detoxing oxy until an older friend told me that it was indeed withdrawal, this caused all symptoms to manifest and that cycle continues although I feel I may be free from it - but you can't tell the devil all your plans, if you know what I mean, it works..especially if you are tapered down and shit like that.

 

[Deleted member 554582]

Is there anybody out there that counts his/her withdrawals?For what?

 

[Halif2]

I attempted suicide in the proces 3 times, no success.

Man I'm sorry to hear that you're suffering that badly and in such a low place. I understand.

It may not be true for you, but in my own experience drinking alcohol during WDs is very dangerous mentally. The combo of opiate WDs and a hangover create a 'special' kind of despair that is almost unbearable and I could see someone taking drastic actions to escape that. I hope this is the rock bottom and you start to rise up out of the hole soon.

I should exercise every day

This is of critical importance to your recovery. It can be extremely difficult to actually get up and get moving, though. Anything you can do will help your body and mind, even if you don't feel better instantly. I'm sure you know all this, and I know it's easier said than done.

Like you, I have a bit over 15 years of opiate/opioid dependency and have around two dozen genuine attempts at getting clean during which I went through the full opiate withdrawal experience. Most of those times I did not have access to bupe, benzos, clonidine, or pregabalin. I just had loperamide. I'm not going to count WDs from situations like temporarily not being able to score, because that'd be impossible to tally. But full on, "This time is the one", total willpower expenditure detox attempts? Around two dozen. Sometimes I'd make it a week in. Sometimes I'd make it all the way through and out the other end, but then relapse within a couple of weeks. Every time I do it, it gets harder and I feel like a a piece of my finite willpower is used. And every time I fail, it reinforces the idea that "it is impossible to ever stop", which is a bad mindset to have.

I think your mind plays a big role in the wd symptoms sometimes way prematurely

I agree. When I've made up my mind that I'm going to have another real go at detoxing, I set a start date and start preparing. In the lead up to the start date I start getting increasingly anxious - actually dreading what's to come. And then when it starts I've already convinced myself that it's going to be worse than ever. I don't think that detoxes getting worth with age and repetition is entirely psychosomatic, however. That part is true. But the mental anguish can definitely begin well before the detox even starts.

It sounds like a platitude, but hang in there, Welltram. I hope you can reach a better place soon. Keep us posted on the journey if you want.

 

[WellTram]

Little report from me.
I managed to basically stop taking all my meds because got seizure which was pre-manifested by me, falling on my head without breathing. I was like death, than did some kind of scary "back to consciesness" noise ( i was not consciess so they described it like very scary ), than i had complete seizure, then i woke up and i was touching my mothers face with my fingers like blind people sometimes do.
She almost fainted when they found me on floor, not breathing.

Something happened to my right ear, i don't know what but it's so painful i had to take dhcodeine, ibuprofen, paracetamol and i still couldn't even touch it untill right now, hour after taking ear drops for middle air inflammation and infection.
I write this now because later i won't have energy ... My fingers are my legs twitching but no another seizure manifested so far.
I rather quit all antidepressants, basically everything except PAIN meds, no benzos.. !
It's 1 day and 2 nights since that seizure...
Taking nothing but pain medication and ear-drops.
So now i am more in WD from benzos, almost died, had ear infection and found out that antiparasitic pills i gave to my cat( Felix - still kitten ) were antibiotic not antiparasitic...This Is my ex bf failure ( still like him we were together for 7 years ) and i am probably infected not ONLY in my ear but i can have parasites as well because Felix Is constantly playing with everything including my hands ( so many little wound from his paws, i clean his toilet, his teeth are growing so he always " suck my fingers", probably because it somehow trick him into relaxation and lower pain ( teeth growing is painful ).
I feel like complete shit while still on pain meds including high dose nsaid's, dhc, paracetamol...Sorry for mistakes and i will update 10 hours since now.
If i won't I am dead.

 

[Halif2]

I rather quit all antidepressants, basically everything except PAIN meds, no benzos.. !

I'm trying to understand your situation because it seems like there's a lot going on. Tell me which parts are accurate or where I've misunderstood...

You have been taking Oxy and Tramadol daily at fairly high doses for enough time to become addicted/dependent. You take antidepressants (more than one type?) regularly. You take benzos sometimes? Regularly enough to be dependent? Are these scripted or for recreational purposes?

Now you are going through opiate withdrawals. Is this circumstantial or voluntary? Do you want to break the dependence on opiates or has your access been restricted?

You're also going through benzo WDs

I managed to basically stop taking all my meds because got seizure which was pre-manifested by me

What do you mean by "pre-manifested by me"?

I rather quit all antidepressants, basically everything except PAIN meds, no benzos.. !

Have you actually stopped taking the antidepressants?

Did you have a seizure before or after you stopped taking your meds?

If I have misread or misunderstood the situation, I apologise. It sounds to me like there's a whole lot going on in your personal life and you are in crisis and are making impulse decisions which could be putting your health and even life at risk. Unless there's a clear link between one of the medications you've been taking and the serizure you had, it is most likely not a good idea to be abruptly stopping any of those potent mind-altering substances you've been taking. Tramadol has been linked to seizures, especially at high doses (such as your 1200mg dosing). Acute benzo withdrawal has also been known to increase seizure risk. I'm not sure which antidepressant you're taking, but many of those should not be abruptly stopped either. Suddenly stopping all of those will throw your whole system into turmoil.

It can be impossible to make rational decisions when your brain chemistry and emotions are all out of whack.

Sorry for mistakes and i will update 10 hours since now.
If i won't I am dead.

Please be careful. See a doctor as soon as you can. You need supervised help to get you back on your feet. It may not feel like it now, but you can get some clarity and perspective back in a relatively short time. Felix needs you and there are likely a bunch of people who do too.

 

[WellTram]

I am back. Witch pre-manifested i wanted to say "right before seizure."
My ear doesn't hurt much, ear drops worked great and fast. I am now on ibuprofen, DHC and i was able to take my vortioxetine without any harm.
I am still in a lot of pain but i want to take much less DHC tomorrow, and maybe quit everithng i quit ( benzos, mirtazapine, cyproheptadine, tizanidine still) and also opioids....I took it onlny because of pain i had after that nasty seizure...I almost died if i were alone when i fainted i won't be able to write about it...So be careful when u quit high dose benzos, it can kill u very easily...

 

[endlessnameless]

If you mean withdrawals followed by a significant stint of sobriety, then about 4 times. Never been to rehab - always did it by myself.
I'm going through it now and this is my fourth and hopefully my last withdrawal.

I just want a normal life. A regular job, a nice car, money in the bank and to eventually meet a nice girl (too early for that now - the last time a girl asked me out I was two weeks and two days clean and I ended up relapsing on our first date because my confidence was in the utter gutters of hell due to my brain having zero dopamine and I was convinced she'd find be abysmally boring)...not this chaos; this reckless abandon of living day to day, welfare payment to welfare payment (so humiliating).

I know I'm better than this and I know theres nothing more this lifestyle can offer me. Initially it worked as a means of self-medicating but when the effects wore off and it just became about running away from withdrawals every day that's when the misery began and I could have no kind of permanence in my life (not with relationships - be they platonic or romantic, not professionally, not in regards to pursuing further education etc).

 

[endlessnameless]

I am back. Witch pre-manifested i wanted to say "right before seizure."
My ear doesn't hurt much, ear drops worked great and fast. I am now on ibuprofen, DHC and i was able to take my vortioxetine without any harm.
I am still in a lot of pain but i want to take much less DHC tomorrow, and maybe quit everithng i quit ( benzos, mirtazapine, cyproheptadine, tizanidine still) and also opioids....I took it onlny because of pain i had after that nasty seizure...I almost died if i were alone when i fainted i won't be able to write about it...So be careful when u quit high dose benzos, it can kill u very easily...

Oh absolutely - never ever quit benzos cold-turkey/abruptly, they're far worse than opioids and unlike opioids the withdrawals can kill a likely will you especially if you're on a 'high dose' as you say.

Are you still taking benzos? And the opioids - are you still taking them?
What doseages and what type for each, and for how long have you been taking each also?

 

[WellTram]

Oh absolutely - never ever quit benzos cold-turkey/abruptly, they're far worse than opioids and unlike opioids the withdrawals can kill a likely will you especially if you're on a 'high dose' as you say.

Are you still taking benzos? And the opioids - are you still taking them?
What doseages and what type for each, and for how long have you been taking each also?

I obtained some legit 0,5mg alprazolam pills because next seizure could be my last so rather prevent it than wait for one.

Today i had 2 mg alprazolam, 360mg extended release dihydrocodeine, 8mg tizanidine and Vortioxetine.

Tomorrow i will reduce dihydrocodeine to 180mg, add extended release tramadol max 4x100mg. I will also take 2-3 mg alprazolam, modafinil and vortioxetine because i need to function.
I quit 5-15 mg alprazolam daily so no surprised i had seizure but never before i had almost deadly one...
And every day i will reduce pain meds slowly, wont take more than 3mg alprazolam, i will call my neurologist for my epilepsy meds, than slowly reduce benzos too but considering my old dog and kitten now both need my attention cause of health issues and cause of my ear infection i will now do it by slow taper. Can anybody give me an advice how to taper benzodiazepines mostly alprazolam now ? No problem with tapering pain meds down but now i want to taper my benzos corectly.

 

[Them Witches]

Regardless of taking Roxicodone 210mg and Methadone 40mg daily...Every morning at 3AM, I wake to The hot neck, restless legs, sneezing, yawning, watering eyes. The only way to help this is to take more Methadone at bedtime.

I do not understand the title to the thread. Is this how many times someone has blown through a prescription, ran out of money, the plug got arrested, and/or decided to cold-turkey or medically because of bradycardia had to hard taper?

 

[Them Witches]

Can anybody give me an advice how to taper benzodiazepines mostly alprazolam now ? No problem with tapering pain meds down but now i want to taper my benzos corectly.

Clonidine, Busbar, Z-drugs.

Take you benzo dosage once per day in the AM/lunch. Knock yourself out at night then when you wake take the benzos. Slowly cut the benzo dosage down.

Like all drugs withdrawals, the brain needs stimuli. All at once, play music, turn on the TV in the background, lots of water & juice, write or looks a things interesting, smoke weed, comedy, go-for walks, go sit in nature, comfort meds. Get through the AM and day and knock yourself out to go to sleep. Repeat. Keep doing the new activities as a routine and the routine will forge.

 

[WellTram]

Clonidine, Busbar, Z-drugs.

Take you benzo dosage once per day in the AM/lunch. Knock yourself out at night then when you wake take the benzos. Slowly cut the benzo dosage down.

Like all drugs withdrawals, the brain needs stimuli. All at once, play music, turn on the TV in the background, lots of water & juice, write or looks a things interesting, smoke weed, comedy, go-for walks, go sit in nature, comfort meds. Get through the AM and day and knock yourself out to go to sleep. Repeat. Keep doing the new activities as a routine and the routine will forge.

Thanks, i have alprazolam and i noticed the less opioids i take ( less dhc every day, help with pain from tramadol 100mgER max 4 times daily ) the more alprazolam was needed but it is process, taking less of stronger agonist and eventualy taking only tramadol max 400mg daily need some time and soon i will be prescribed 80x10mg diazepam.
Today my neurologist should send me script for my epilepsy meds but he probably forgot again ! I am lucky having alprazolam and tizanidine, it helps to protect me from seizure and also makes my body hurt less. Once i will have antiseizure med from him i will take lower doses of alprazolam. And with diazepam it would be OK to taper, less difficult than with alprazolam ( in my case ).

 

[WellTram]

Regardless of taking Roxicodone 210mg and Methadone 40mg daily...Every morning at 3AM, I wake to The hot neck, restless legs, sneezing, yawning, watering eyes. The only way to help this is to take more Methadone at bedtime.

I do not understand the title to the thread. Is this how many times someone has blown through a prescription, ran out of money, the plug got arrested, and/or decided to cold-turkey or medically because of bradycardia had to hard taper?

It's how many times you were in situation in which u had to go through WD process. Not about morning withdrawals which dissapear when u take your meds. I have been through many interdose and morning WD but i am more interested in longer periods of withdrawal at least days.

 

[ghostandthedarkness]

Opi withdrawal is pretty easy imo. Been through it a million times. Get mentally ready for 3 really bad days. If you wanna play for big money, alcohol withdrawal is the game for you.