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Will i see a decent government before i die?

Cheshire_Kat said:
That would be wonderful if it were only that easy.

I can think of a couple pf prominent racists that are left leaning and take it to the next level by using racism to line their pockets at the same time. No need to name names, just look carefully at the US and it will become apparent.
Racism is enjoyed by both the left and right. They just use it differently

And for the record I am not part of the right but I feel I have to speak "truth".
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Again, I actually do need names because I simply do not believe it.

Mainly because racists would be drummed out of any and all Leftist spaces on sight.

If by leftist you mean Liberal… there is wider scope for discussion…
 
Half the population of Northern England consists of left wing racists lmao

There's also the issue that Labour councils in multiple parts of Britain literally allowed racially and religiously motivated child rape squadrons to freely operate

Shitlibs are completely fine with racial hatred as long as it isn't "Gammons" doing it,, the murder of Kriss Donald was one of the most horrific crimes in modern British history (the guy was castrated then burned alive by a bunch of pakistanis who simply wanted to murder a random white kid) but you will never hear a left wing politician even mention the event
 
The Kriss Donald case was absolutely disgusting, but it wasn't just 'a bunch of Pakistanis'. It was a criminal gang who decided to murder a white guy in a certain area because one of them had been attacked in a club by a white person from the particular community where Donald lived.

Which is despicable, but isn't quite the same as them 'simply wanting to murder a random white kid'. Still racially motivated, sure, but not quite the same. It's unfortunately quite a common gangland phenomenon to kill innocent people in 'revenge' just because of the area they live in.

It was also twenty-one years ago, and three of the perpetrators were extradited from Pakistan. Which was a special procedure as there's normally no extradition agreement between Britain and Pakistan. It wasn't just forgotten. They received life sentences and are still inside.
 
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It's been a while since I read about the case so I might be a bit rusty, but I believe they did just murder a random white kid, from what I recall they sent texts to each other saying as much, Donald was not gang affiliated

The killers did get relatively heavy sentences, which is great, but I don't think you can deny that the media coverage is sparse compared to Stephen Lawrence, George Floyd etc

The murder of Richard Everitt is very similar and one of the guys involved in that is literally a Labour councillor
 
Kriss Donald was definitely not gang affiliated, but it's frighteningly common for gangs to murder an innocent person from a specific area (associated with the gang) as revenge. There have been high profile cases in Birmingham, Manchester, everywhere.

Richard Everitt is another horrible case, and definitely racially charged, but we're going back 31 years now.
 
Yeah both of those cases were decades ago, I understand that. The point I'm trying to make is re the difference in media coverage, I literally wouldn't have known about the Donald and Everitt murders if I didn't read the 4chan politics board as a teenager. If you have to find about a news event through /pol/, something is amiss

In any case, the rape gangs are almost definitely still operating to this day, just read some of the court transcripts regarding those cases, we're not talking about some 18 year old fucking a girl who's a month or two underage (that still would be bad obviously) we're talking torture and sex slavery on a massive scale, shit so horrible you could barely believe it. Covered up by politicians who, for the most part, were of the left.
 
The Donald case in particular was quite heavily covered because of the operation by the Pakistani police in getting the perpetrators arrested and extradited.

Yes, there have been problems with the way the rape gangs have been dealt with. Partly through police prejudice against girls from care or 'problem' families. And I agree that the misogyny of a certain strand of Pakistani culture has also contributed massively.

But according to police, there are also victims from Pakistani backgrounds who can't say anything because of issues with 'honour' and being 'pure' to be eligible for marriage.

At the same time, we have gangs of white British origin doing the same thing. It's unspeakably vile, but to approach it as solely a racial issue doesn't solve anything for these girls.
 
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I never said it was a racial issue, it isn't even really a pakistani issue. It seems to mainly be people from certain particularly backwards parts of Pakistan. If you just look at the mugshots you can see that they all have weirdly shaped heads and big ears, normal pakistani guys don't look like that

I'm mainly aiming to rebut the claim that the left don't tolerate racial hatred, if they were willing to turn a blind eye to mass racially motivated child rape, that's a difficult claim to make
 
There were definitely some blind eyes being turned. There were literally guys queueing up outside of houses to fuck 12 year olds. Any self respecting drug dealer knows that having a bunch of guys queueing up outside your house draws unwanted attention, but somehow these guys got away with it for decades. There are documented instances of the police pretty much telling the victims to fuck off

. I'd assume that the pakistanis were normal guys who were uninvolved in the matter, nobody is saying that all pakistanis were involved
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
There were definitely some blind eyes being turned. There were literally guys queueing up outside of houses to fuck 12 year olds. Any self respecting drug dealer knows that having a bunch of guys queueing up outside your house draws unwanted attention, but somehow these guys got away with it for decades. There are documented instances of the police pretty much telling the victims to fuck off

. I'd assume that the pakistanis were normal guys who were uninvolved in the matter, nobody is saying that all pakistanis were involved
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I'm certain there's plenty truth in the allegations...but literally queuing up outside houses to do that? It's difficult to believe, but not impossible. Yet I appear to doubt it (which could be for all manner of reasons, granted)

Feeling quite ill now ugh, but nothing here is new to my awareness. Sickening, the very thought
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
I'm mainly aiming to rebut the claim that the left don't tolerate racial hatred, if they were willing to turn a blind eye to mass racially motivated child rape, that's a difficult claim to make
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Even if one were to accept your framing of this issue (which I don’t but that’s by the by) this still doesn’t demonstrate Leftist racism.

Perhaps overly handwringing over the fear of being perceived as racist, but that is clearly a separate issue.
 
Shambles said:
Pretty sure it’s the Unionist side who is known for racism.

Republicans are obviously known for not liking Protestants… but Protestantism is a range of religious sects not a race.
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North England not Scotland or Ireland, there isn't really the whole catholic/protestant rivalry here
Shambles said:
How so?

EDIT: you obviously don’t need to reply to any of my ramblings - we can certainly agree to disagree :)
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I'd argue that essentially allowing one race to commit atrocities against another race for multiple decades is pretty racist

And yeah don't feel any need to respond to my inane babbling, I get a bit debatey when I'm on one

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Basic finns in government (the fascist and racist party) is now suggesting language test as term for income support :forestwhittaker:

Exactly what we want in this country is people who are discriminated so heavily that they can not support themselves legally. We are already having less jobs than people willing to work and we can not expect people just straight up transforming to FINNISH speakers just like that. It is like racists want immigrants to fail by offering them less support compared to natives. Basic finns can only blame themselves as they turn to crimes. And some whackos are calling that "fair", unable to see how people are meant to help each other, maintaining peace. This would be immense disaster.
 
So it increasingly looks like Labour are engaged in internal warfare, and the right of the party is already attacking Andy Burnham's economic stances.

If we did get a Burnham leadership, would the tabloids / social media immediately assassinate the guy like they did with Corbyn, or is Burnham charismatic and media-savvy enough to win the electorate over despite (or because of) his more leftist stance?

It's an interesting one, considering Corbyn actually got more of the popular vote in 2019 than Labour got this time around.

We've not had a northern PM since 1976. In that time we've actually had two Scottish-born ones, although one of those (Blair) moved to the north of England at the age of five. One American born too!
 
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Pissed_and_messed said:
Basic finns in government (the fascist and racist party) is now suggesting language test as term for income support :forestwhittaker:

Exactly what we want in this country is people who are discriminated so heavily that they can not support themselves legally. We are already having less jobs than people willing to work and we can not expect people just straight up transforming to FINNISH speakers just like that. It is like racists want immigrants to fail by offering them less support compared to natives. Basic finns can only blame themselves as they turn to crimes. And some whackos are calling that "fair", unable to see how people are meant to help each other, maintaining peace. This would be immense disaster.
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Finnish looks amazingly difficult to learn, too. For a native English speaker, Danish and Norwegian look and sound like Old English spoken by a drunk, so it's easier, but Finnish is another language strand entirely.
 
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