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Heroin From Heroin To Hydromorphone - How To Find My Dose Without Wasting?

Spideronthewall

Spideronthewall

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I have decided to jump from H. Its time, this relapse is getting to close to 1 year and I need to stop.

I've been really good about dosing less frequently and dosing less per day (insulfated {sp?}). Overall I've cut down a lot without to much pain. I am down to about .3g~ a day. While obviously not pure, it is quite potent and doesn't have any weird cuts, fent or RCs in it (It was lab tested and found to only contain Heroin + an inert cut).

I had picked up hydros a long time ago in anticipation of this date. Most of the hydros are ER with the beads inside - so likely just going to take orally.

Assuming the Heroin is very strong and only contains heroin, lets assume about 65-70% purity (even if you consider it high), where should I start with the hydros, I want to start low but not so low that I waste them because they're not particularly cheap and funds are the recent I'm speeding up the taper timeline.

I know you guys cannot tell me how much I should take (HR & rules and all....) but I was hoping you guys could help identify what a viable method to test my active dose is without going overboard since the ER hydros release so slowly? (also not so low that I waste anything)
I would like to aim for an equivalent dose of about 1/3 of my heroin usage to use in hydros per day for the first few days, then lower rapidly over the week until I have none left.
 
First of all, I didn't even know it was still possible to get your hands on real H, let alone not even cut with fent.

Anyway, from what I remember, hydromorphone is great, both by mouth or sniffing. 8mg (instant release) is about equivalent to a roxi 30. I would say 16mg 3 times a day would be about half of the potency of your daily H intake, though with the tolerance you have, not sure you'll get much of that BANG by taking them orally, but may get some nice mellow fuzzies, def won't be sick.
 
Idk about that if dude is getting real H and lab tests. I presume if he/she switched to hydromorphone they would be stuck shooting pills? In which case there is a debate to be had there. (Not one I'm going to partake in, but I could see it)

I don't mean to be disrespectful at all OP -- but why switch? Dilly prolly more expensive, won't last as long ..... and the rest of the world is very jelly you still get real H and we are vicarious fuckers

If you don't shoot it has less logic as H has a higher nasal BA than Hydromorphone
 
Vasudra said:
First of all, I didn't even know it was still possible to get your hands on real H, let alone not even cut with fent.

Anyway, from what I remember, hydromorphone is great, both by mouth or sniffing. 8mg (instant release) is about equivalent to a roxi 30. I would say 16mg 3 times a day would be about half of the potency of your daily H intake, though with the tolerance you have, not sure you'll get much of that BANG by taking them orally, but may get some nice mellow fuzzies, def won't be sick.
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Its very easy, just stay away from the streets and make sure to test your stuff before indulging.

I'm very surprised those on this forum don't know how to get it, you can do it from your pc... Obviously I cant say it or risk getting the thread locked down but DYOR.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Idk about that if dude is getting real H and lab tests. I presume if he/she switched to hydromorphone they would be stuck shooting pills? In which case there is a debate to be had there. (Not one I'm going to partake in, but I could see it)

I don't mean to be disrespectful at all OP -- but why switch? Dilly prolly more expensive, won't last as long ..... and the rest of the world is very jelly you still get real H and we are vicarious fuckers

If you don't shoot it has less logic as H has a higher nasal BA than Hydromorphone
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Yeah, I stopped shooting years ago, my h goes up my nose. I have a decent size habit for h (although fent folks probably considered a higher habit), but i refrained the needle during this year of relapse.
 
Dilaudid is stronger them heroin so becareful. I used to get the hydromorph contins and fuck where they ever addictive.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Idk about that if dude is getting real H and lab tests. I presume if he/she switched to hydromorphone they would be stuck shooting pills? In which case there is a debate to be had there. (Not one I'm going to partake in, but I could see it)

I don't mean to be disrespectful at all OP -- but why switch? Dilly prolly more expensive, won't last as long ..... and the rest of the world is very jelly you still get real H and we are vicarious fuckers

If you don't shoot it has less logic as H has a higher nasal BA than Hydromorphone
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The switch has to do with access, whats on hand right now. I'm not looking for bang for my buck, I'm looking to get clean. H has a more-ish/fiegn-ish quality to it that many synthetics like hydros do not have.
 
paranoid android said:
Dilaudid is stronger them heroin so becareful. I used to get the hydromorph contins and fuck where they ever addictive.
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Agreed, mg for mg hydros are stronger, thats what has me hesitant to just jump in. I know I need to be smart about dosing and since they are hard to turn IR, the dose could just get stronger and stronger throughout the day.
 
Spideronthewall said:
The switch has to do with access, whats on hand right now. I'm not looking for bang for my buck, I'm looking to get clean. H has a more-ish/fiegn-ish quality to it that many synthetics like hydros do not have.
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Got ya access is everything.

Well hydromorphone is of course more potent mg for mg -- I'm guessing you got that figured out roughly? First time I bought H I told them I do 4 dilly 4's in a go (Which was true) they recommended .2 (Which probably woulda killed me) so you are wise to have some caution here.....

You are not going to get as much snorting it and it will not last as long as snorted H (Both categories) -- but snorting Dilaudid is not ineffective -- how much H do you do per dose? (Srry if I missed it I'll check back)

Start with 4mg and add 2 mg in a half hour if needed, add 4 more mg in an hour if needed. No rush snorting so no since risking life n limb by doing it all in one go?

Oh you have ER -- you are going to want to defeat that before following my advice -- or swallow them and deal I suppose but I think you would be pretty disappointed -- since they are ER maybe wait a couple hours before taking another one if you don't defeat the time release... Oral hydromorphone was largely a fail for me but everyone's mileage varies. (Well exception of when I was getting the 1ml/mg liquid for 1/2 a buck a mig - that worked)
 
Spideronthewall said:
Agreed, mg for mg hydros are stronger, thats what has me hesitant to just jump in. I know I need to be smart about dosing and since they are hard to turn IR, the dose could just get stronger and stronger throughout the day.
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Are they the hydromorph contins? Imc a expert with defeating the time release in those. At my worst i was shooting 3 of 4 18mg hydromorph contins at a time
 
I snorted it with an oxy habit of like fifteen milligrams once a week and I got nothing g from dildos. If I’d do it again I’d put those dildos up my ass. ;-)
 
paranoid android said:
Are they the hydromorph contins? Imc a expert with defeating the time release in those. At my worst i was shooting 3 of 4 18mg hydromorph contins at a time
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Yeah they are. I have crushed them before, it just takes me ages to do (morter and pestel type method). I have about 32mg crushed right now but it took me forever to achieve and i likely wont bother again unless you have a method to do it very quickly.

I technically also have some IR but its a bunch of 2mg ones that only equal about 16mg so those im gonna save for when im really hurting and out of everything else.
 
Spideronthewall said:
Yeah they are. I have crushed them before, it just takes me ages to do (morter and pestel type method). I have about 32mg crushed right now but it took me forever to achieve and i likely wont bother again unless you have a method to do it very quickly.

I technically also have some IR but its a bunch of 2mg ones that only equal about 16mg so those im gonna save for when im really hurting and out of everything else.
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I used bto wrap the 18's in paper and run a 10lbs stel weights over them
 
Okay so here's the lowdown.

On Day 1, when withdrawal was starting to creep in, I found myself using around 48mg of hydro throughout the day (plugged or snorted). I found that while it was very bearable, the w/d symptoms still slowly got worse throughout the day. Took a big dose of lyrica and had a good nights sleep.
on Day 2 I tried not to use anything for a while, waited about 5 hours then when things started getting pretty unbearable I snorted 4mg, it did nothing and w/d still got worse, so I did another 4mg, it was a bit better than nothing but not bearable so I did a 12mg hydromorph contin, crushed & snorted. This took me from unbearable w/d to 'almost bearable'. This is actually where I want to be right now. Will try to use this dose to stretch out the hydros and get me through w/d to the end.
 
Day 3: Not exactly sure how much hydromorphone I've been taking, not really tracking but I will say that I initially assumed that I would be out of it all by now and have only gone through about half of what I started with. Its not getting me high but its holding me just enough to not be a disaster. My symptoms are somewhat mild but I am also doing high amounts of lyrica/pregabalin everyday around 2PM to get me through the evening, has made it so I take less hydros in the second half of the day and sleep okay at night.

(You guys can ignore me, mostly just doing a public journal for my own sanity and to review later if I dont make it to the finish line)
 
I failed and back to H for 3 days. Gonna retry tomorrow to go without while I still have a bit of supply. I have 24mg of hydros left and 4 2mg suboxone. Need to try and blow through this withdrawal without using the subs because the weekend I have an anniversary getaway, wanted to save the subs for that. We will see what happens, fml.
 
oh man switch to sub -- wait 24-36 hours - use the cows scale and make sure you are in w/d

Idk for sure but I am thinking 2mg sub (snorted if ya want) should hold you 18-24 hours. Of course idk how cheap you grabbing those dillys but 48mg a day is BRUTAL! At the worst of my habit I still got a rush off 2mg (IV) -- 4 would break through sub after 24 hours at 2mg a day ---- 8 - 16mg nodding hard (Suspect would drop most). (That is just me and IV is 100% v like 10-30% oral/snorted)
 
Diacetylmorphine & Hydromorphone are nearly identical

Hydromorphone being slightly more potent…..slightly (in Genuine Pharma vial for injection, not crushed pills)

Methadone might be best if you can get month of tablets from doc….I get sealed bottle 100 tablets plus extras along with Ritalin sealed factory bottle 100 capsules plus extra

Feels so nice getting them like that….Id love to get the 100 gram jar of API compounding powder Methadone HCL USP ….or even better, the 100 KG (220 lbs) blue plastic drum of Methadone powder from factory
 
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