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Civic Duty? (Does not exist anymore?)

Probably less workload and foreign travel -- that tracks as much as any theory I have. Other than obvious bias aside toward PedOTUS

The 50s were really rough if you weren't a straight white male --- so I would do ok -- seems like a selfish move though.

Anyone that says "I would not have owned a slave back than" better not be harkening back to the 50's.

Which is effectively the direction they (the GOP) are pushing in limiting women's rights, whitewashing history (getting rid of the memorial to George washington's slaves at the president's house, Smithsonian getting rid of slavery exhibits are two examples), obviously coming at minorities for some VERY SUBJECTIVE reasoning.

Subjectivity is the enemy of policing in my mind. (The whole system is based on proofs and logic; subjectivity is the enemy of sound logic? That is my premise hence the ?
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Probably less workload and foreign travel -- that tracks as much as any theory I have. Other than obvious bias aside toward PedOTUS

The 50s were really rough if you weren't a straight white male --- so I would do ok -- seems like a selfish move though.

Anyone that says "I would not have owned a slave back than" better not be harkening back to the 50's.

Which is effectively the direction they (the GOP) are pushing in limiting women's rights, whitewashing history (getting rid of the memorial to George washington's slaves at the president's house, Smithsonian getting rid of slavery exhibits are two examples), obviously coming at minorities for some VERY SUBJECTIVE reasoning.

Subjectivity is the enemy of policing in my mind. (The whole system is based on proofs and logic; subjectivity is the enemy of sound logic? That is my premise hence the ?
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Yeh I just see black and white adverts sometimes in colour with every American able to own a car and every housewife having all the gadgets to make house keeping easier but yeh I never seen any persons of colour in the ads.not sure if that is the right phrase to use hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong
 
you are fine terminology wise I am pretty sure. I wouldn't break it out in public in Detroit or anything but there is clearly no malicious intent behind it. (and ppl that misinterpret shite like that bug me a bit -- usually offended "For" a minority too lol

There was no racism -- the black and white cameras they just didn't uhh --- Yea there was always equality here. What? lol (of course that is sarcasm, idk who this is for...)

The economy did boom after the war. (I'm pretty damn sure or I have been lied to by many sources). So in that since Yea things were way better -- in 33 we departed from the gold standard (29 was the depression, I'm speculating that is the reason for abandoning the gold standard(?), ..I am strongly speculating this change allowed us to print an abundance of money that would end up resulting in a ton of inflation, national debt, and a myriad of other problems. (For example look at minimum wage % increase v % increase in price and the writing on the wall becomes pretty clear)
 
Concerning German citizens in the 1930s...

There was a study (sorry, I forget when&where) in which non-Jewish Germans who'd lived thru Naziism were divided into two groups: those who had assisted Jews trying to escape or hide, and those who had not.

The study concluded that the biggest difference between the two groups was the values emphasized in their family upbringing.

The helpers had been raised to value compassion.
The non-helpers had been raised to value rules.
 
jasperkent said:
Concerning German citizens in the 1930s...

There was a study (sorry, I forget when&where) in which non-Jewish Germans who'd lived thru Naziism were divided into two groups: those who had assisted Jews trying to escape or hide, and those who had not.

The study concluded that the biggest difference between the two groups was the values emphasized in their family upbringing.

The helpers had been raised to value compassion.
The non-helpers had been raised to value rules.
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Yeh it all comes down to individual circumstances and personally I don't think any religion or non religion comes into the equation when whole parts of your society turns to shit and pressure of daily life becomes a case of secrecy. People just survive and certainly apart from a tiny percent most people suffered terribly during the war .given that I can see why some people not only Jewish but a number of ethnic groups who suffered beyond comprehension who could never forgive.neither would I
 
Just as a foot note my old man when he caught the school bus there would be persons trying to catch the bus as it was a rural location. The bus driver who fought at Normandy opened the door to a young French couple in the 1970's hitchhiking. Without mincing his words they were left at the side of the road
 
jasperkent said:
In my life I've known wonderful people of a variety of faiths along with atheists & agnostics.
I've also known horrible people in all those same categories.
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Yes humans can be wonderful and others can be arseholes .it's just part of life.whats worrying is I'm seeing more psychopaths worming there way up the ladder.there easy to spot ,they will be your best friend till they no longer find a use for you and will use their charm to create a friendship with someone higher on the rung at which point you will notice a complete disregard for a friendship or a work8ng relationship you may have had .you see once they realise they are better than you but not necessarily technically but with their mouth they move to different circles. To me it's a real worry .I honestly think 5 percent or more of a given group are non criminal psychopaths
 
jasperkent said:
Concerning German citizens in the 1930s...

There was a study (sorry, I forget when&where) in which non-Jewish Germans who'd lived thru Naziism were divided into two groups: those who had assisted Jews trying to escape or hide, and those who had not.

The study concluded that the biggest difference between the two groups was the values emphasized in their family upbringing.

The helpers had been raised to value compassion.
The non-helpers had been raised to value rules.
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This -- In the mid 90s we (My father mainly) noted that they (THE US GOV) were shifting emphasis from loyalty to family to loyalty to state and it has only accelerated since than.

Trust those who have earned it.

Be loyal only to those who you see loyalty in. (Hopefully some towards you)

Whether that is the state or your family/community I ill leave you to ponder.
 
There was a time when parents were firmly against things like police metal detectors and drug dogs on property -- drug tests were a no go on personal privacy for a long time. There was a time teachers would protect students from 'outside forces' in general - be them the streets or the police - they wanted the kids in class to teach and saw them as wards. (Which they legally are wards of the state while at school(Thats still true?); sorry always have to say it as it trips me out)

Police cars were white with red and blue and big sirens on the top so you could see them and they did the whole "protect and serve" thing.

What has fundamentally changed to lead people to I'm going to generalize and say 'trust authority' --- even most authority use to warn you not to do that!

Doesn't it sound like Im about to say make America great again and harken back to a year that never really existed -- Im not but I am agreeing that there has been a (Deliberate) shift in loyalty towards the state.
 
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