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Addiction 12 step meetings

"13-Stepping" ---a sober person seducing a newcomer-- is simply wrong no matter what genders are involved. It's taking advantage of a person who is in a vulnerable state, which is both an imbalanced power dynamic and a violation of trust.
 
jasperkent said:
"13-Stepping" ---a sober person seducing a newcomer-- is simply wrong no matter what genders are involved. It's taking advantage of a person who is in a vulnerable state, which is both an imbalanced power dynamic and a violation of trust.
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Oh 100%!!
Hands down.

I was more referring to that fact that back then there weren’t many women kicking around the rooms. And if you’re wondering what part I found funny.. I’ll do my best to explain. I’m a lunatic.
But also, no matter how ‘sober’ people get… most people have a thing.

In all seriousness, It does make me question how sober his mind really was even without booze.
I had many ideas about what Living Sober meant until I looked up the word sober in the dictionary.

But yes.
Anyone taking advantage of a newcomer and the fact that they’re unwell, and not making the healthiest choices is wrong, regardless. I’ve been a victim of those men. And women.
 
I just wanted to thank you guys so much for everything you’ve been writing.
@Robi
@pixies+
@NY2soFlo
@PtahTek
@deficiT
@jasperkent

I wanted to write back but my heads kinda a mess. Today is day 4 withdrawal of dilaudid, 7oh & pseudo. I’ve been taking comfort meds that may be controversial but I’m barely getting through this detox. I haven’t eaten .. can’t, just agua, Gatorade and ensure.

Anyways gracias for all of your well thought out and put together responses. I’m going to keep trying to come back and reading it. I’m hoping for a turnaround today, I want to be able to get up to be able to go to meeting.

Big hugs and lots of love 🌺💜
 
AngelsandFairiesarereal said:
I just wanted to thank you guys so much for everything you’ve been writing.
@Robi
@pixies+
@NY2soFlo
@PtahTek
@deficiT
@jasperkent

I wanted to write back but my heads kinda a mess. Today is day 4 withdrawal of dilaudid, 7oh & pseudo. I’ve been taking comfort meds that may be controversial but I’m barely getting through this detox. I haven’t eaten .. can’t, just agua, Gatorade and ensure.

Anyways gracias for all of your well thought out and put together responses. I’m going to keep trying to come back and reading it. I’m hoping for a turnaround today, I want to be able to get up to be able to go to meeting.

Big hugs and lots of love 🌺💜
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No one’s judging what you have to do to get through your detox. Whatever it is, I’m sure it’s better (hmm lol) than Dilaudid, 7oh, and pseudo.

Not sure what you eat, but do you have anyone that could get you some chicken/beef broth? Or make you some soup? Anything is better than nothing.

I get in these modes where I stop eating.. aside from some Asian pears, and my belly can’t stand the thought of actual food. I’ve found that pedialyte works even though it doesn’t taste the greatest, it’s also better than nothing.. and has some extra goods that gater juice doesn’t have.

I understand wanting to be able to stand in order to make it to a meeting.

I will say this.. even though I haaaaaaaaated hearing it myself lol it would go something like this:

Me: nah, no meeting tonight.. I’m too tired/sick, my head hurts/back hurts/elbow hurts, I’ve gotta get up and do xyz early in the mornin, etc

Someone else: replace drugs with meeting..

Me: Fuck.

Make meetings just as uhhh more important than drugs once you finish your detox. It’s always tough to start stuff but the pay off is always worth it 💜

I hope you start to come around very soon, Angels! Take care 🥰💜💜💜
 
pixies+ said:
No one’s judging what you have to do to get through your detox. Whatever it is, I’m sure it’s better (hmm lol) than Dilaudid, 7oh, and pseudo.

Not sure what you eat, but do you have anyone that could get you some chicken/beef broth? Or make you some soup? Anything is better than nothing.

I get in these modes where I stop eating.. aside from some Asian pears, and my belly can’t stand the thought of actual food. I’ve found that pedialyte works even though it doesn’t taste the greatest, it’s also better than nothing.. and has some extra goods that gater juice doesn’t have.

I understand wanting to be able to stand in order to make it to a meeting.

I will say this.. even though I haaaaaaaaated hearing it myself lol it would go something like this:

Me: nah, no meeting tonight.. I’m too tired/sick, my head hurts/back hurts/elbow hurts, I’ve gotta get up and do xyz early in the mornin, etc

Someone else: replace drugs with meeting..

Me: Fuck.

Make meetings just as uhhh more important than drugs once you finish your detox. It’s always tough to start stuff but the pay off is always worth it 💜

I hope you start to come around very soon, Angels! Take care 🥰💜💜💜
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Gracias Mamacita 💜 💜 💜
 
AngelsandFairiesarereal said:
I just wanted to thank you guys so much for everything you’ve been writing.
@Robi
@pixies+
@NY2soFlo
@PtahTek
@deficiT
@jasperkent

I wanted to write back but my heads kinda a mess. Today is day 4 withdrawal of dilaudid, 7oh & pseudo. I’ve been taking comfort meds that may be controversial but I’m barely getting through this detox. I haven’t eaten .. can’t, just agua, Gatorade and ensure.

Anyways gracias for all of your well thought out and put together responses. I’m going to keep trying to come back and reading it. I’m hoping for a turnaround today, I want to be able to get up to be able to go to meeting.

Big hugs and lots of love 🌺💜
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Theres nothing controversial about doing whatever TF you need to do to get through opioid WD.

Not to be a broken record, I mention this everywhere- but Vitamin C megadosing is pretty legit for WD. It doesn't get you out of the woods completely but it helped me A LOT.
 
NY2soFlo said:
Theres nothing controversial about doing whatever TF you need to do to get through opioid WD.

Not to be a broken record, I mention this everywhere- but Vitamin C megadosing is pretty legit for WD. It doesn't get you out of the woods completely but it helped me A LOT.
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Gracias 💜
I actually have liposomal vitamin C, I’ll start taking it
 
AngelsandFairiesarereal said:
Gracias 💜
I actually have liposomal vitamin C, I’ll start taking it
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I mixed 2g of that, 750mg agmatine, and 2.5g creatine with some pedialyte and drank that every 2 hours while going through the worst of it. It should have been my worst detox, and it was somehow the easiest. No other variables were different- same comfort meds as always, same timeline of sickness, etc... the only difference was this and a few other over the counter supplements.

I would have never taken "vitamin C" as a detox remedy seriously. But it deadass made a difference.
 
AngelsandFairiesarereal said:
I just wanted to thank you guys so much for everything you’ve been writing.
@Robi
@pixies+
@NY2soFlo
@PtahTek
@deficiT
@jasperkent

I wanted to write back but my heads kinda a mess. Today is day 4 withdrawal of dilaudid, 7oh & pseudo. I’ve been taking comfort meds that may be controversial but I’m barely getting through this detox. I haven’t eaten .. can’t, just agua, Gatorade and ensure.

Anyways gracias for all of your well thought out and put together responses. I’m going to keep trying to come back and reading it. I’m hoping for a turnaround today, I want to be able to get up to be able to go to meeting.

Big hugs and lots of love 🌺💜
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Soon you will be over the hump! We all adore you
 
NY2soFlo said:
Theres nothing controversial about doing whatever TF you need to do to get through opioid WD.

Not to be a broken record, I mention this everywhere- but Vitamin C megadosing is pretty legit for WD. It doesn't get you out of the woods completely but it helped me A LOT.
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I powered pure pineapple juice ,and wow it helped
 
AngelsandFairiesarereal said:
That’s cool that AA was great, I want to have a good experience. I’ve been to meetings before but there was a lot of guys hitting on me. One even use to follow me out to the parking lot, which was a little triggering. I think I have to do something though so was thinking about trying it again … idk.
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My issue was solved by GOD. I am allergic to alcohol and hate it now. I have been to at least one AA meeting; probably two or three but, that was many, many years ago.

All I wanted to do was drink before, during and afterward so much more than usual. After the few meetings, I went to; all that ta!k about booze made me wanna drink.
 
Jnowhere said:
My issue was solved by GOD. I am allergic to alcohol and hate it now. I have been to at least one AA meeting; probably two or three but, that was many, many years ago.

All I wanted to do was drink before, during and afterward so much more than usual. After the few meetings, I went to; all that ta!k about booze made me wanna drink.
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Hey J it’s good to see you sweetie 💕
Thank you for your reply. I hope you’re doing well.
Hugs 💜
 
AngelsandFairiesarereal said:
I’ve been to meetings before but there was a lot of guys hitting on me. One even use to follow me out to the parking lot, which was a little triggering.
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That is extremely inappropriate. AAers with any amount sobriety condemn such behavior. Frankly, I'm surprised there weren't some oldtimers actively intervening in these situations. As I said before, shop around. Some groups are better than others. There are also Women Only meetings.
Jnowhere said:
After the few meetings, I went to; all that ta!k about booze made me wanna drink.
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Again, meetings vary. Those with a lot of newcomers tend to focus on the problem more than the solution. At the meetings I attended regularly there were a lot of oldtimers-- alcohol was rarely even mentioned. We mostly talked about living our best lives in sobriety.
 
jasperkent said:
That is extremely inappropriate. AAers with any amount sobriety condemn such behavior. Frankly, I'm surprised there weren't some oldtimers actively intervening in these situations. As I said before, shop around. Some groups are better than others. There are also Women Only meetings.
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Yea it made me stay away from meetings a bunch to be honest. That was back when I was living in the Bronx and those meetings were so big, so many people. I traveled to a couple meetings that were alright but then I stopped being sober.

But now I don’t live in NYC, I’m in western NY & live on a border of a reservation. So I’m going to try the reservation and the town over and maybe will find something good. I don’t know why, but I’m scared to go since people come up to you when you’re new. I don’t like when people notice me some days I want to just be a butterfly on the wall lol 🦋
 
AngelsandFairiesarereal said:
I don’t like when people notice me some days I want to just be a butterfly on the wall lol 🦋
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I get that.
Recovering people (the good ones, not the predators) want to help & want you to feel welcome. They know how it is to feel lost & afraid & how it's hard to ask for help. I assure you that most of us have good intentions.
 
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