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Addiction 12 step meetings

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To start going to NA or AA or not? I don’t know anymore. My PTSD is fd up and I’m trying to get help for it in trauma therapy … but I’m still struggling. Sometimes the more I struggle the more I keep it to myself. There’s so much I wish I could write or say, but I’m stuck.

Does anyone have any positive (or negative, I welcome hearing anyone’s experience) with meetings?

Love and hugs to whoever is reading this 💜
 
I think it would be good for you ,NA in my town was so hardcore but AA was great.Have you ever been to meetings?
That’s cool that AA was great, I want to have a good experience. I’ve been to meetings before but there was a lot of guys hitting on me. One even use to follow me out to the parking lot, which was a little triggering. I think I have to do something though so was thinking about trying it again … idk.
 
To start going to NA or AA or not? I don’t know anymore. My PTSD is fd up and I’m trying to get help for it in trauma therapy … but I’m still struggling. Sometimes the more I struggle the more I keep it to myself. There’s so much I wish I could write or say, but I’m stuck.

Does anyone have any positive (or negative, I welcome hearing anyone’s experience) with meetings?

Love and hugs to whoever is reading this 💜
AA!

I will ALWAYS suggest checking out a few different groups with different people in them.
Personally, I’ve always enjoyed groups that have a solid number of men and women over the age of 50 and the rest to be whatever age. I find this to be a great balance, especially if you’re brand new or just going back after some time away.

You could walk into one group and you could have people there that have 10, 15, 20 years of sobriety, but not one of them have worked the steps and they’re still miserable cunts that give awful advice to people coming in the rooms. They suck the joy and true emotion out of the entire room. Their “advice” is dangerous. Run.

You’ll find your golden nugget where the people in the group are solid. They will welcome you with open arms and it’ll feel as comfortable as you could possibly be in a room full of people you don’t know.
These people have been through the step work - but they also know the step work never stops.

**There’s no such thing as “Oh I did the steps X years ago so I’m good now”.
If you ever hear anything resembling this - stay away from that person until you’re healthy enough to catch this type of attitude on your own**


I’d also highly recommend a Women’s Only AA group. It’s never a bad idea to keep yourself cocooned within the arms of healthy women that know their shit.

Seek out women that have 5-10+ years of sobriety. Listen to what they share and how they share it.. then decide if these women have something you want. If so, get a sponsor!
You don’t owe anyone
anything.
If someone approaches you to see if you’d like them to be your sponsor but you’re not feeling it, don’t feel bad for declining. This is your sobriety. Your life. Find another woman that ‘fits’.
It’s best to find a sponsor as soon as you feel the ‘pull’ back into the rooms.
This feeling can be fleeting (I know - trust me 😅). And don’t forget - you can always change sponsors if something starts to give you a gut feeling.. something you can’t quite put your finger on, even if they’re very kind.

It really is best to get a sponsor ASAP. The sooner you begin the work, the sooner your soul will heal.

AA is a suggestion based program only.
Don’t ever allow any sponsor to try to rule your life. They’re there to guide you through the 12 steps ONLY!
They’re not your master. If they start wanting more from you than you want from them, drop them. This isn’t healthy and it won’t be good for you.

And for the love of everything holy in this world… do not date anyone in the program. Dont even let that be a thought/consideration until YOU have YOU to lean on.

Remember… AA has saved millions of people worldwide… but AA is full of sick people. It’s pertinent to keep this at the forefront of your mind. It’s a bit of a double edged sword in a way. I don’t say that to frighten you, only to make you aware. It’s easy to let your guard down and believe that since ‘so and so’ is at the meeting, that means it must be safe.

I have had zero good experiences with NA.
Honestly, NA is on my shit list (step 4). I know exactly why though.

I’m kind of tearing apart an entire program based on my own trauma from the type of people it invited into my life and what those people did to me. I’m at fault for certain things too, of course. But I was forgetting something I’ve already mentioned… 12 step programs are full of sick people.

I also really dislike their literature. It’s long and drawn out (especially when you’re ready to get moving). Step one alone has like 70 questions to answer and fill out.
Some consider it to be thorough. And It is! It can be very overwhelming when you’re already overwhelmed.

Once you’ve gotten a taste for AA step work and you’ve gotten to step 12, having a look at the NA step work wouldn’t be a terrible idea.

CA (cocaine anonymous) is also really good. I loooooved my CA home group. Very similar to AA!
I have no idea why, but I’ve had many people from different cities, provinces, and countries tell me they feel the same way I feel about NA and have noticed the same stuff.

One man in the NA groups around here would go to several. He’d tell people to “slow down.. don’t rush the steps.. do one a year”.
At the time, if I were to listen to him, I would’ve died before I finished step one.

I’ve been going for ten years off and on. If there’s anything I can ever help you with, or try to help with, always feel free to reach out!

💜💜💜💜💜
 
To start going to NA or AA or not? I don’t know anymore. My PTSD is fd up and I’m trying to get help for it in trauma therapy … but I’m still struggling. Sometimes the more I struggle the more I keep it to myself. There’s so much I wish I could write or say, but I’m stuck.

Does anyone have any positive (or negative, I welcome hearing anyone’s experience) with meetings?

Love and hugs to whoever is reading this 💜
No matter what else you struggle with, AA/NA is probably not going to hurt (if you also are in recovery). Of course, that's my opinion and it took 20 years of BS to arrive at that. The majority of that 20 years I was NOT about meetings. I've since realized that I simply stand no chance without them.

I'm 7 days clean today, I've been to an AA meeting everyday. One way or another I leave the meeting feeling motivated and hopeful- in a way I just can't get from anything else.

I've spent significant time in both NA and AA. The steps are the same, the idea is the same. As a pure bred DRUG addict (who has no taste for alcohol) I always related more to NA. I also think the NA text is more straight forward and helpful then the AA text. For me, it comes down to the crowd in the rooms. I've been to great NA meetings, but overall NA always seems to be more of a circus then AA. This time around, I've found some great AA meetings and just feel more confident in it atm.

Obviously, to each their own. Like I said, for a long time I would only critique AA/NA, so I completely understand when people aren't about them. For me, I dont see myself staying clean in the long term without it. If you're an addict straight up, chances are they wont hurt. But then again, I needed to bang my head against the wall 5000 times before I accepted this.
 
AA!

I will ALWAYS suggest checking out a few different groups with different people in them.
Personally, I’ve always enjoyed groups that have a solid number of men and women over the age of 50 and the rest to be whatever age. I find this to be a great balance, especially if you’re brand new or just going back after some time away.

You could walk into one group and you could have people there that have 10, 15, 20 years of sobriety, but not one of them have worked the steps and they’re still miserable cunts that give awful advice to people coming in the rooms. They suck the joy and true emotion out of the entire room. Their “advice” is dangerous. Run.

You’ll find your golden nugget where the people in the group are solid. They will welcome you with open arms and it’ll feel as comfortable as you could possibly be in a room full of people you don’t know.
These people have been through the step work - but they also know the step work never stops.

**There’s no such thing as “Oh I did the steps X years ago so I’m good now”.
If you ever hear anything resembling this - stay away from that person until you’re healthy enough to catch this type of attitude on your own**


I’d also highly recommend a Women’s Only AA group. It’s never a bad idea to keep yourself cocooned within the arms of healthy women that know their shit.

Seek out women that have 5-10+ years of sobriety. Listen to what they share and how they share it.. then decide if these women have something you want. If so, get a sponsor!
You don’t owe anyone
anything.
If someone approaches you to see if you’d like them to be your sponsor but you’re not feeling it, don’t feel bad for declining. This is your sobriety. Your life. Find another woman that ‘fits’.
It’s best to find a sponsor as soon as you feel the ‘pull’ back into the rooms.
This feeling can be fleeting (I know - trust me 😅). And don’t forget - you can always change sponsors if something starts to give you a gut feeling.. something you can’t quite put your finger on, even if they’re very kind.

It really is best to get a sponsor ASAP. The sooner you begin the work, the sooner your soul will heal.

AA is a suggestion based program only.
Don’t ever allow any sponsor to try to rule your life. They’re there to guide you through the 12 steps ONLY!
They’re not your master. If they start wanting more from you than you want from them, drop them. This isn’t healthy and it won’t be good for you.

And for the love of everything holy in this world… do not date anyone in the program. Dont even let that be a thought/consideration until YOU have YOU to lean on.

Remember… AA has saved millions of people worldwide… but AA is full of sick people. It’s pertinent to keep this at the forefront of your mind. It’s a bit of a double edged sword in a way. I don’t say that to frighten you, only to make you aware. It’s easy to let your guard down and believe that since ‘so and so’ is at the meeting, that means it must be safe.

I have had zero good experiences with NA.
Honestly, NA is on my shit list (step 4). I know exactly why though.

I’m kind of tearing apart an entire program based on my own trauma from the type of people it invited into my life and what those people did to me. I’m at fault for certain things too, of course. But I was forgetting something I’ve already mentioned… 12 step programs are full of sick people.

I also really dislike their literature. It’s long and drawn out (especially when you’re ready to get moving). Step one alone has like 70 questions to answer and fill out.
Some consider it to be thorough. And It is! It can be very overwhelming when you’re already overwhelmed.

Once you’ve gotten a taste for AA step work and you’ve gotten to step 12, having a look at the NA step work wouldn’t be a terrible idea.

CA (cocaine anonymous) is also really good. I loooooved my CA home group. Very similar to AA!
I have no idea why, but I’ve had many people from different cities, provinces, and countries tell me they feel the same way I feel about NA and have noticed the same stuff.

One man in the NA groups around here would go to several. He’d tell people to “slow down.. don’t rush the steps.. do one a year”.
At the time, if I were to listen to him, I would’ve died before I finished step one.

I’ve been going for ten years off and on. If there’s anything I can ever help you with, or try to help with, always feel free to reach out!

💜💜💜💜💜
Also, this. In full.

To clarify, I like the NA basic text, but the step work is definitely way to drawn out for me. AA usually moves you through it faster, which I personally always needed. I'd always loose steam when I was doing one step every 2 months in NA. I agree, it's all about finding a meeting that has a good group of people. And not waiting too long to get a sponsor.
 
Also, this. In full.

To clarify, I like the NA basic text, but the step work is definitely way to drawn out for me. AA usually moves you through it faster, which I personally always needed. I'd always loose steam when I was doing one step every 2 months in NA. I agree, it's all about finding a meeting that has a good group of people. And not waiting too long to get a sponsor.

Ooh, to add to this, I totally understand what you mean about feeling drawn to the NA literature over the AA literature. This makes complete sense to me. NA speaks of a desire to quit narcotics, AA is about the desire to quit drinking. Stating the obvious, I know 😂

I say that because some groups really stick to this… which never really made sense to me. Regardless of which program, at the end of the day, we’re talking about addiction.

I used to get really annoyed when I’d go to an AA meeting and say “Hi, my name is pixies and I’m an alcoholic and an addict” - before I had and out, I’d hear “Hi pixies”.

I’d get equally annoyed when I’d go to NA and say “Hi my name is pixies and I’m an alcoholic and an addict” - and I’d be ever so forcefully reminded that “alcohol is a drug.. we don’t identify different drugs here”. My eyes would just about roll out of my head for quite some time.

Once I got ‘level’ I stopped trying to control the way these particular groups were trying to run their meetings they were running loooooong before I showed up 😂. My ego had a rough time with that shit.. I still chuckle to myself at how irritated that shit would get me. If that was annoying, just imagine all the other uhh.. absolutely fucking everything? that annoyed the living fucking shit out of me.
Wooooooo 😅 I white knuckled myself to pieces through many a meeting.

I had some women in AA that refused to sponsor me based on principle alone… lol

Eventually, I think I learned a thing or two.
I haven’t been to a meeting since I had a pretty major relapse in 2022, but I hadn’t been to a meeting for months and months before that…
🤔

I’ve also been considering going back for quite some time now! I was very angry at ALL 12 step meetings after the relapse. Just me getting in my own way.. nothing unusual there lol I believe it’s time. Even though I don’t believe I’ll ever be 100% sober (I kinda like mushrooms.. a lot 🤓), I still think it’s the best set of steps/principals I’ve ever lived by and stood behind. It all made so much sense and i truly did gain a ton of beautiful things i otherwise would have never known.
 
Ooh, to add to this, I totally understand what you mean about feeling drawn to the NA literature over the AA literature. This makes complete sense to me. NA speaks of a desire to quit narcotics, AA is about the desire to quit drinking. Stating the obvious, I know 😂

I say that because some groups really stick to this… which never really made sense to me. Regardless of which program, at the end of the day, we’re talking about addiction.

I used to get really annoyed when I’d go to an AA meeting and say “Hi, my name is pixies and I’m an alcoholic and an addict” - before I had and out, I’d hear “Hi pixies”.

I’d get equally annoyed when I’d go to NA and say “Hi my name is pixies and I’m an alcoholic and an addict” - and I’d be ever so forcefully reminded that “alcohol is a drug.. we don’t identify different drugs here”. My eyes would just about roll out of my head for quite some time.

Once I got ‘level’ I stopped trying to control the way these particular groups were trying to run their meetings they were running loooooong before I showed up 😂. My ego had a rough time with that shit.. I still chuckle to myself at how irritated that shit would get me. If that was annoying, just imagine all the other uhh.. absolutely fucking everything? that annoyed the living fucking shit out of me.
Wooooooo 😅 I white knuckled myself to pieces through many a meeting.

I had some women in AA that refused to sponsor me based on principle alone… lol

Eventually, I think I learned a thing or two.
I haven’t been to a meeting since I had a pretty major relapse in 2022, but I hadn’t been to a meeting for months and months before that…
🤔

I’ve also been considering going back for quite some time now! I was very angry at ALL 12 step meetings after the relapse. Just me getting in my own way.. nothing unusual there lol I believe it’s time. Even though I don’t believe I’ll ever be 100% sober (I kinda like mushrooms.. a lot 🤓), I still think it’s the best set of steps/principals I’ve ever lived by and stood behind. It all made so much sense and i truly did gain a ton of beautiful things i otherwise would have never known.
I agree, being told to "put it in a bottle" is pretty annoying. Makes me want to ask "why are you here? To enforce the rules of AA or to help yourself and someone else?" Unfortunately I never stuck around long enough to have my opinion hold any weight lol. Even after being clean for long bouts, I still catch myself critiquing the program or finding reasons to pick it apart (or the people in it). I've since come to the conclusion that when I start getting like this- it's an indicator of something else going on with me that needs to be looked at. When I'm calm, content and clean I am grateful to be there.
 
Does anyone have any positive (or negative, I welcome hearing anyone’s experience) with meetings?
I have been to a few and I swear seems like more than half of those who "run" the groups are on something. No lie. This kinda threw me off a bit but realized that I didn't have to partake and went back with the goal of getting what I could from it and what was "static" I shut out. I feel I had some decent take aways
I have mostly always used anyway in some form or fashion but it doesn't keep me from being open, learning and gaining a step on this journey once in a while.
Haven't been to a group in quite some time (decades) but am mulling over the idea of some social interaction in a positive atmosphere (a group of some sort). Imma do it just gotta commit.
I found one can get the truth from a lie if looking for it.
My very best,
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There are some people you just have to laugh at.. silently.. to yourself. I couldn’t wrap my head around any of this stuff for the first 2 years. I went but only to shut people up.
Then.. I started to actually get it and enjoy it. And my life honestly began to transform.

I CT 11mg of methadone and drank myself stupid within 2 weeks. I drank 43 out of the 48 beer I bought one Sunday and downed a bunch of pills. My dad took me to the hospital Monday morning… I have no clue how I woke up. I was in rough shape. I was convinced to get on suboxone.

So CA/AA, a new clinic/subs, therapy, and I began working on building up my lawn.. so a ton of yard work and psychical exercise and the beach. And maybe an open mind.
Had I just done CA/AA, I don’t believe I would’ve been as successful. 5 insanely stressful years later, that sentence is lunacy.. sounds made up to me lol.
I demand my success back!! 😅

CA was my favourite until it became unhealthy for me due to it being such a small group.. and small groups tend to show off everyone’s flaws more - if you’re the type of person that’s looking for them.. 🙄😙😆
But that one group that was my favourite got toxic. Personalities vs Principals Showdown! Sadly, personality clashes began to take over.

I've since come to the conclusion that when I start getting like this- it's an indicator of something else going on with me that needs to be looked at. When I'm calm, content and clean I am grateful to be there.
This is what I need some serious consistency with again. Restless, irritable, and discontent couldn’t be more fitting words to describe how I’ve felt and feel.

Meetings it is!
 
I have had both positive and negative experiences going to meetings. I've been to a lot of the different kinds, AA, NA, Refuge Recovery, and Drug Addicts Anonymous. There are quite a wide variety of types, and they can be totally different. Even the crowd at one aa meeting can be a completely different experience from one at a different time across town.

I think they are a good place to just get some human interaction, and to be able to just share where you are at, to people who are more likely to understand. It's just nice to be able to say things that you wouldn't be able to talk about in normal life, it's sort of like Bluelight in that way. Though I do recognize as a woman, overcoming some personal trauma, you may have a different experience. It's like anywhere else, some people are there with good intentions and are genuine, and some people are just shitty and bad vibes.

I have sometimes felt stifled by some of the spoken/unspoken cultural "rules" about things you can and can't talk about, and I sometimes wish there was a group that was more of an open format that wasn't focused solely on drugs and alcohol and I wouldn't need to identify as an addict or alcoholic. Personally I've never really been able to "find my tribe" there or anything like that, and I've gone endlessly. I just don't think I've ever been able to stay consistent enough with it, and I'm pretty antisocial when I'm put into a group setting of people I don't know.

I think the actual steps though, can be really great for self analysis. I haven't finished them completely myself, but I've started and stopped them many times. The biggest difference between AA and NA is their approach to the steps and how you do them. There are plenty of people that use drugs that go to AA, it's just different foundational literature, and some different approaches, but it's basically the exact same thing, NA copied the 12 steps wholesale from AA. The NA steps take a lot longer and involve a lot more writing.

Maybe a zoom meeting would be helpful for you to give it a try without any social pressure? There are definitely meetings out there that run like 24 hours that you can pop in and out of, and yeah after COVID there are just lots and lots of zoom meetings you can find.


^^ NAMI (national alliance on mental illness) also runs support group meetings. Those could be something worth trying out, I've gone to a couple of them. There's no steps it's really just an open support group.

I have the NA step working guide in a PDF I can email, for anyone that needs it, just let me know.
 
There are quite a wide variety of types, and they can be totally different. Even the crowd at one aa meeting can be a completely different experience from one at a different time across town.
^I've been checking out different meetings in my area, in south Florida there's hundreds. Its true that the crowd and vibe can differ incredibly going to a different location or meeting house. I ventured out to the other side of town tonight and found a meeting I loved. Everything else I tried this past week was lackluster and didn't feel like it was worthwhile. Just gotta have an open mind and be willing to check out different options. If you're new to a meeting, just raise your hand and say its your first time at that meeting. 99% chance someone will come up to you afterwards and introduce themselves. It's happened to me at every meeting I've been to this week.

At the very least, I ask them for recommendations on other good meetings. At best, you'll find a sponsor and give it a shot. At worst, you didn't pick up for an hour!
 
I’m gonna link an AA speaker named Pat Allen. It’s over an hour so not everyone is going to be interested, but it’s one of the most eye opening, honest, hilariously funny speakers I’ve heard - it’s not your average one. She was putting on a reltionship workshop for those that wanted to attended. Anyways, it’s worth the listen, I swear. Even if you’re in a relationship it’s so worth it!!

 
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She is hands down one of the funniest, straight shooting, older lady I’ve ever listened to.
You can tell this bitch has seeeeeen some shit and done it too 😂
 
I’m so excited for you.. and I mean that.
This woman is better than gold to me.

I came across her sometime in 2021 I think! I was looking for “funny AA speakers”
… and there she was 😍

I love how she explains uhh.. everything!
She is fantastic ,I'm looking deeper into more material but only found your video
 
I’m gonna link an AA speaker named Pat Allen. It’s over an hour so not everyone is going to be interested, but it’s one of the most eye opening, honest, hilariously funny speakers I’ve heard - it’s not your average one. She was putting on a reltionship workshop for those that wanted to attended. Anyways, it’s worth the listen, I swear. Even if you’re in a relationship it’s so worth it!!


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