Need Help Definitive List of Comfort Meds for Opiate Detox/ log of fent detox.

[Illyria99]

Also, I’ve never tried any of the real “Z drugs” for sleep, so thank you. I believe generic ambien is Zolpidem.

Be very careful with that. I used to take Ambien and it feels nice...at first. The problem is, many people experience memory loss even at small doses. I definitely had that problem.... I'd wake up wondering why I was fully dressed, with a bunch of candy from 7/11 or a bag of McDonald's. Which meant that I drove places and didn't remember.

Ambien can wipe your brain clean even at small doses. And it kills impulse control. This is just my experience, of course, but I've read about other people having the same issue. Be careful.

 

[NY2soFlo]

Be very careful with that. I used to take Ambien and it feels nice...at first. The problem is, many people experience memory loss even at small doses. I definitely had that problem.... I'd wake up wondering why I was fully dressed, with a bunch of candy from 7/11 or a bag of McDonald's. Which meant that I drove places and didn't remember.

Ambien can wipe your brain clean even at small doses. And it kills impulse control. This is just my experience, of course, but I've read about other people having the same issue. Be careful.

Heard. I was hesitant for these reasons... I've read and heard too many stories like this. I tried everything I could and eventually was able to get a script. I've only taken 5mg so far for this reason. But I'm starting to think I'm better off taking more and actually passing out, rather then 5mg and ending up not sleeping. That makes me feel worse obv, and also puts me more at risk for the weird side effects. FWIW I'm also 220lbs so I generally need larger doses of anything compared to the average.

I will say, the several days I took it, I didn't feel (or do anything) as bad as what you mentioned. In fact, I didn't feel any type of blackout or urge to do weird shit. I stayed in bed angry lol. I can absolutely imagine doing plenty of bad things and having no recollection... I've experienced that with benzos years ago. No interest in that. I just want to stay clean and sleep. Thats it.

 

[NY2soFlo]

Update: 4 days
It's been (3) days since I did a one off bag. The last two days I could deff tell that I reset my count here... hot/cold sweats, lack of energy, and sleeping again lol. But today I do feel pretty normal. I slept decently last night and physically/mentally I feel ok today. I obviously didn't expect one bag to set me back to a full square one, but I also didn't know what to expect. So, back to the grind now.

I've been going to meetings every night this week, and I plan to do a 90 in 90. I've never been a big proponent of meetings, but I have way to much access (and time) to fent so getting out of the house and doing something for my recovery is smart no matter what. I know how long I can run on willpower- and its not too long.

In terms of my OTC supplement stack, I'm still taking all the same stuff. As the bottles finish off- I'll probably not replenish, and just slowly drop off on all the meds or extra supps. I havn't taken an ambien in over a week and my sleep seems good enough for this stage.

 

[Allylbenzene]

Are you still doing the daily vitc/creatine/agmatine drinks?

In terms of my OTC supplement stack, I'm still taking all the same stuff. As the bottles finish off- I'll probably not replenish, and just slowly drop off on all the meds or extra supps.

Fwiw I'd consider keeping the key ones - agmatine, theanine, aspirin and B vitamins. At least keeping a few doses of them around so you have the option.

 

[NY2soFlo]

Are you still doing the daily vitc/creatine/agmatine drinks?


Fwiw I'd consider keeping the key ones - agmatine, theanine, aspirin and B vitamins. At least keeping a few doses of them around so you have the option.

Yes, and its in part because I have a huge supply of all of these things. I'm not as strict on the "every 2 hours thing", but I'm taking several doses throughout the day of the same strength cocktail I mentioned earlier. It definitely helps.

 

[NY2soFlo]

Update: 7 days fully clean
So this makes a week since I did my stupid one bag of fent. I felt shitty for like 2 days after, but quickly recovered and today I feel like I have 30 days clean (which is what it would have been without it). I've been sleeping 5-7 hours a night- with no Rx meds- only the OTC supplements I mentioned. Sleeping has proven to be the critical improvement here for me, as I expected.

Physically- I feel 90%. I have energy, I've been working out with a slowly increasing volume and intensity- which also HUGELY helps. I feel 100% for a few hours after working out. I still have some light hot/cold flashes and still am sweating a bit more than usual at night. However, it's nowhere as bad as it was and I expect it will cease soon.

Mentally- since I've been sleeping better my mentality and mental abilities throughout the day are getting better. For a few weeks I literally felt braindead. I have been having some intense cravings EVERY day- usually around 5pm when I'm done with work and feel that small sense of freedom kick in. TBH, I'm kind of amazed that I haven't picked up in this last week. Doing that bag was fucking stupid and made me extremely vulnerable. I suppose I'm running on pure willpower right now, which I know won't last. I have been to a meeting each day (against my will) and I have to say it does bring some peace and hope. Some meetings more then others. I also have been working out 4 days a week, and doing a brisk 1.5-2 mile walk on my non lifting days. All of which helps get over the craving.

I'm probably not going to post daily here anymore, as there's not much to say. I'll update it once a week or so, or if anything worthwhile needs to be said. I think i'm out of the woods here for the most part (in terms of WD). I know what I have to do from here on out, and I'm just praying I continue to do it! Thank you again to everyone who dropped some suggestions and offered support. Not totally free yet, but feeling closer every day.

 

[NY2soFlo]

Update: 11 Days Clean
I'm definitely leveling off here! Granted my "11 days" represents what would have been 30+ days, I used one bag one off which resets my time and did add a bump in the road. But overall I obviously feel better then what "11 days post detox" would have been.

I've been sleeping about 5-6 hours a night, waking up once or twice. Night sweats are lessening. Random full body goosebumps are lessening everyday. Energy is up, and my mental acuity is returning to normal (I couldn't even think of certain words the first few weeks... I felt partially braindead).

I still take most of my OTC supplements but am slowly factoring some out as I run out. I also like the idea of returning to not needing anything other then what I take for general health and working out. I've been going to the gym 3-4 days per week (normal for me)... and the strength and intensity of my workouts is continuing to build.

Sidenote- I decided to quit vaping during all this, using patches. I stepped down from 21mg to 14mg patches. I have to say its been pretty easy, and my desire to hit my vape is lessening everyday.

 

[AngelsandFairiesarereal]

Update: 11 Days Clean
I'm definitely leveling off here! Granted my "11 days" represents what would have been 30+ days, I used one bag one off which resets my time and did add a bump in the road. But overall I obviously feel better then what "11 days post detox" would have been.

I've been sleeping about 5-6 hours a night, waking up once or twice. Night sweats are lessening. Random full body goosebumps are lessening everyday. Energy is up, and my mental acuity is returning to normal (I couldn't even think of certain words the first few weeks... I felt partially braindead).

I still take most of my OTC supplements but am slowly factoring some out as I run out. I also like the idea of returning to not needing anything other then what I take for general health and working out. I've been going to the gym 3-4 days per week (normal for me)... and the strength and intensity of my workouts is continuing to build.

Sidenote- I decided to quit vaping during all this, using patches. I stepped down from 21mg to 14mg patches. I have to say its been pretty easy, and my desire to hit my vape is lessening everyday.

Wow it’s sounds like you’re doing great. I’m happy for you

 

[NY2soFlo]

16 Days

The last couple days I've really noticed returning to normal. Everything I've mentioned above, just more and better. I've only been taking a small dose of passionflower extract and Magnolia extract before bed, I've stopped all other meds/supps other then things I use for working out. Sleep still isn't perfect, but its slowly improving and I feel ok during the day. The lack of sleep early on was fully expected based on past times getting clean.

I definitely think of picking up in some capacity several times per day. The strongest craving usually comes in the evening when I'm done with work for the day. Smaller thoughts during the day aren't too hard to just push out or not act on, but It's pretty amazing I've continued to choose NOT to pick up each evening. Aside from a few legit rehab experiences and one at home detox, this is really one of the few times I've had a legit 16 days in years. I credit the right mindset going into it (really wanting to be done) as well as the AA meetings I've been going to (with a sponsor) and trying to find a balance of pushing myself to get out with giving myself a break when needed.

Well see how it goes!

 

[selflovestorm789]

16 Days

The last couple days I've really noticed returning to normal. Everything I've mentioned above, just more and better. I've only been taking a small dose of passionflower extract and Magnolia extract before bed, I've stopped all other meds/supps other then things I use for working out. Sleep still isn't perfect, but its slowly improving and I feel ok during the day. The lack of sleep early on was fully expected based on past times getting clean.

I definitely think of picking up in some capacity several times per day. The strongest craving usually comes in the evening when I'm done with work for the day. Smaller thoughts during the day aren't too hard to just push out or not act on, but It's pretty amazing I've continued to choose NOT to pick up each evening. Aside from a few legit rehab experiences and one at home detox, this is really one of the few times I've had a legit 16 days in years. I credit the right mindset going into it (really wanting to be done) as well as the AA meetings I've been going to (with a sponsor) and trying to find a balance of pushing myself to get out with giving myself a break when needed.

Well see how it goes!

Read most of your advice on meds throughout this forum and I really appreciate the time you put into giving this advice to others. Not to mention the time you put into getting yourself back on track. It’s crazy how that 1 bag can damn near erase all the hard work. I myself have done the same which has resulted in keep me stuck again. I’m glad to see you stayed strong. I know I’m a stranger but I’m extremely proud of you cause I know how hard it is to not cave. Could you please tell me what the exact brands were for everything you got off Amazon especially the vitamin C???

 

[TheHolyRedCow]

and what doses per day of vitamic C?
Can u also post a scientific paper on the matter?

 

[NY2soFlo]

Read most of your advice on meds throughout this forum and I really appreciate the time you put into giving this advice to others. Not to mention the time you put into getting yourself back on track. It’s crazy how that 1 bag can damn near erase all the hard work. I myself have done the same which has resulted in keep me stuck again. I’m glad to see you stayed strong. I know I’m a stranger but I’m extremely proud of you cause I know how hard it is to not cave. Could you please tell me what the exact brands were for everything you got off Amazon especially the vitamin C???

Thanks, I appreciate it. In 15 years of H/Fent using I have never detoxed at home and made it this far. It's not easy but the meds helped detox and the supplements definitely got me on track fast. The thought of doing another "one off" bag is in my head each day- but what honestly keeps me on track is knowing I dont need it, and that I dont want to throw it all down the drain again. I quickly got a sponsor in AA and am going to meetings everyday. As silly as it sounds, I dont want to not show up- the accountability is real (although in the past I was fine going back out and not showing up for the same things lol).

I'll DM you the links for everything I got- it was all amazon.

 

[NY2soFlo]

and what doses per day of vitamic C?
Can u also post a scientific paper on the matter?

I drank a mix of:
2g Vitamin C (in the form of Sodium Ascorbate) + 750mg-1g Agmatine Sulfate every 2 hours or so. In reality, I probably drank this about 10 times per day during the worst of it, so +/-20g SA per day. Its water soluble, so it passes right through you. I added 1-2g of creatine monohydrate to a couple of them throughout the day (totaling to 6-7g creatine total). Creatine can be rough on the gut to some people, but 1-2g doses are light. I've been taking creatine for years so it didn't bother me. I also typically take 7.5g per day for working out anyway.

Respectfully, no, I'm not going to go look for a study for you. I don't have them on hand nor am I trying to convince anyone of anything here. Theres a plethora of literature out there I found from googling it, and I figured I'd give it a shot. My anecdotal evidence is that it unequivocally improved my detox experience. I've gone several days sick from Oxy/H/fent probably 500 times in my life. Granted, going through it by choice and having a good mindset makes the most difference (IMO), but if I ever had to do it again I'd 100% include most of what I took this time. The vitamin C would be the centerpiece of this. Especially for the cost!

 

[NY2soFlo]

21 Days Clean
Today is 21 days clean from the last time I used anything. It marks 43 days since I started detox, the count reset when I did a bag one night in a moment of weakness/going crazy from no sleep. So, when I say I'm feeling 99% normal, it more so represents closer to 43 days in rather then where I'd be if I started detoxing 21 days ago.

Sleep is the main issue, as it has been. I get a steady 5 hours or so, with a few wakeups, but its becoming manageable. I'm also getting more full nights of sleep mixed in. I definitely feel better during the day, no goosebumps, no sweats, I don't need to shower 2-3x a day from feeling disgusting. I have a few small sneezing fits a day, and my energy is sometimes depleted earlier in the day then I'd like, but all very manageable. Especially compared to how I've felt the last two months.

I'm taking no meds, no supps other then what I normally take.

I definitely have been getting cravings to use, and even obsessing about it almost everyday. TBH, I'm not sure why or how I haven't chose to pickup yet. Historically I wouldnt have made it this far. I'm not sure what's getting me through it right now. I've been going to a meeting everyday, calling my sponsor, and am on my 3rd step. These things definitely help and bring a much needed boost of positivity and hope- but again- It's never sufficed in the past. All of that goodness could go out the window 15 mins later. But, so far they haven't. So I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.

 

[NY2soFlo]

25 Days Clean

I've actually been sleeping well the last few nights and that's really helped tie everything together in terms of how I'm feeling. Not going to repeat everything again, I'll just say I'm feeling good.

Appetite is leveling off, I'm slowly getting my intensity up in the gym, and (knock on wood) I'm feeling essentially no physical symptoms.

Cravings come and go. Working from home and having the ability/resources to pick up everyday definitely messes with me, but somehow I haven't caved. I was thinking- in the past I've always had a really easy time in early recovery. Whether it was from getting 30/60/90 days in rehab before popping back out to the world, or whatever, I never really dealt with extreme cravings. I had always just kind of breezed through the stage, not thinking about using until I did. And then I always used pretty quickly after that. So, while I dont enjoy having to fight the battle everyday, it does feel like I'm earning it now. Actually using and considering the coping skill and all the things I've learned so many times before. Today I woke up feeling no urge, but that could change in minutes.

Other then that, I'm trying not to concentrate on my day count too much, just keep on doing what I have to do. I've taken all the suggestions. I know better then to be overly optimistic but so far so good.

 

[NY2soFlo]

30 Days Clean

Not much to say here that I haven't already said- feeling good. Cravings are hit or miss, I'm not sure if they're getting more manageable or not but it hasn't taken me out yet lol.

Mostly just here to check in.

 

[NY2soFlo]

Quick Update: 42 Days Clean!

Not much to say other then letting anyone who's interested know that I have just hit 6 weeks clean- 42 days! I feel great, finally sleeping (!), and things are generally falling into place. Appetite is still way up. The fact that I can sleep pretty well is huge. My physical, emotional, and mental well being seems to be really settling into place now that I'm sleeping lol. My lack of sleep was absolutely anticipated but also absolutely sucked. So, things seem to really be settling into place now.

I've been continuing my daily meetings, shooting to complete a true 90 in 90. In 17 years of using I have never done a 90 in 90, and never even truly started any stepwork from 4 onward. So, while it feels corny to be touting my AA activity, I have to say that it feels good sticking with it so far. I never wanted to be an AA guy, but the truth is I've been trying to get (and stay) clean for this whole 17 years. I've tried every possible way, every possible process to get and stay clean, but the fact is it's always just failed. I've always just failed. So this time I'm giving it a real go and its working out well so far. I hit my meetings, call my sponsor, and have been moving steadily through the steps up to where I am now. I'm currently begining the process of writing out my 4th step. I'm officially in new territory here as I've never gotten this far, and really never made this much of an effort to just do what I'm told. At this point, I really don't care what I'm told to do. I don't care the effort it takes or the way I'm re arranging my priorities. It going well and I feel good. I'm also just so fucking tired of going through this cyclical process of detoxing, eeking out days/weeks of clean time only to eventually relapse and start using again.

Everyday that passes where I decide to NOT pick up is definitely slowly helping me build my confidence. At NO point in all these years have I thought about using, had the means to do so, and chose to NOT pickup. This is the case for a single day and a single decision, let alone 42 days straight.

Today is actually my birthday, and it's definitely caused me to do some deep reflecting. Every birthday for the last 17 years has been shit. Even the better ones, I was still facing another year of, having to pickup on my birthday just to not be sick. I have so many memories of being completely broke, lonely, hungry, tired and literally hopeless on my birthday. Being so sick that after begging my plug for a sympathy get well bag only to end up staying in bed all day. Each birthday- whether horrible, or just ok was always a day I'd look at my life and SWEAR that I'd get clean. I'd promise myself that that would be that last birthday I'd spend trapped in that hell- and for 17 years it NEVER happened.

So, I'm checking in today hopeful. With 42 days clean I'm well aware I don't have it all figured out. I'm not living a wildly different life, and by no means am I basking in a state of bliss lol. BUT- I'm eternally grateful, and very proud that for once I'm not sick on my birthday. I'm not juking and jiving to put something together just to make it through the day. And, I can finally look at where I'm at and be happy that definitive progress has been made. This is the first birthday I don't have to make empty promises to myself. I woke up well. I visited fam this past weekend- and I didn't have to ask for money to travel. I didn't have to plan ahead and bring dope with me. I didnt have to cover all my tracks and double check that I didn't leave any traces of anything behind after leaving. I was able to just go see my family and come back! No immediate uber to my plugs house from the airport upon arriving. I'm just living my life with a whole lot less nonsense.

By no means have I "Made it"... but it sure as shit is a good start. Again, each day that passes grows my confidence in myself to think that I may just be able to keep this going. Thanks again to all that helped, contributed here, or simply have been along for the ride. Everything in the last two months has in some way aided my efforts here. So thank you!

Hopeful that I'll be able to check in next week and post a "50 days clean" post, or whatever.

 

[Conky]

I haven't had time to go through the whole thread yet but was wondering about the Pregabalin you didn't find useful? What doses have you tried and did you take it with food or empty stomach? It is a very effective comfort med depending on how you use it.

 

[NY2soFlo]

I haven't had time to go through the whole thread yet but was wondering about the Pregabalin you didn't find useful? What doses have you tried and did you take it with food or empty stomach? It is a very effective comfort med depending on how you use it.

So I actually never used pregbalin. I never had access to it, only gabapentin. If I had gabapentin (or lyrica) I would have definitely used it, going through WD I honestly wouldn't turn down anything lol.

All I know is I've used gabapentin during detoxes before, and have used it just when sick and trying to get by until I was able to get well. I really just never felt much from it. I know a lot of people swear by it. It did help with physical pain when paired with tylenol or Ibuprofen, but other then that, for whatever reason I never seemed to get much from it.

I'm not for it or against it, just simply never felt it helped me enough to seek it out when detoxing. For me, clonidine and valium were the Rx meds that definitely helped the most. If I was feeling a lot of physical pain during it all I would have tried to add it to my arsenal for sure.

 

[Dave911pl]

Guys, please suggest something for chronic fatigue caused by opioids. I feel fine until noon, but after work, I become so lethargic that I have no energy for anything. My job is light, so it's not work-related fatigue. If I take, for example, 20 mg of tramadol, it all goes away, but I don't want to take it because it's just a vicious cycle.