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🧑‍🌾 Gardening 🧑‍🌾 Mapacho/Makhorka: My Nicotine back-to-the-roots Project almost 5 months later.

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About 5 months ago I obtained a piece of cured Mapacho, Nicotiana rustica, Indian Tobacco aka Makhorka - a smaller but on average 4x more potent plant:



I took 0.1gr in my mouth, i got woozy, not of my choosing, 0.05gr was better, 0.03gr a sweet spot, each on separate days.

I'm a shamanic type person, I actually talk with the spirits of the plant. This can be learned, it starts with extending your faith that it can be done - worthy of another thread.

Mapacho told me how it hated what was being done with it and with Tobacco in general. It despises "curing", likening it to being thrown on the compost heap to rot, then dried in a form now packed with toxins and carcinogenic decomposition products and then, additives added and abused as a smoke all day long, killing the people it wants to guide - without a chance to guide them, reduced to a harmful drug of abuse, all the lethality of heroin but none of its gratification.

It didnt want me to use the piece of Mapacho anymore, literally likening it to a turd, what had been done to it so people could smoke-abuse and snort-abuse, both things he abhors.
I'll go with He, its a Masculine spirit.

He asked me to do two things: to order, from Ukraine, heirloom Makhorka seeds, supporting the war effort while obtaining Nicotiana rustica seeds from the glory days of pre-soviet and soviet union bygone days, hardy for cold, harsh, dry, extreme climates, farmer hand selected for well over a century and a half. Then, this coming growing season, to grow it, harvest less of an ounce of leaf for my needs for the year, and seeds.

But also to do another thing in preparation: to buy 1mg and 4mg nicotine lozenges, such as used for quitting smoking, and using 1-4mg once every other day or so, not just to train myself to uncouple nicotine from the memory of smoking towards oral use, and to build a light tolerance and to get my heart-mind axis used to that YES, there will be nicotine again but NO, it will not come accompanied with all the medical horrors of smoking or addiction at this point. It will be a once-every-other-day treat to ease my brain and digestive system with nicotine benefits without any of the detriments of abusive ROA or abuse, period.

It's been almost 5 months now. The warm season for planting in my windowsill is coming.

All this time I used these doses, once every other day, no addiction, no discomfort, no head rushes, peacefully like an ADULT.

It's a small pleasure, but used like this, the south american native way of putting a bit on your tongue and going about your day, uncured, unpolluted - it's right this way.

I'll take the leaves when they are most fresh, swiftly dry them green, pulverize, a pinch on the tongue and suck it, 20 pinches to a gram just like there are 20 cigarettes to a pack, but without any of the perversion of curing, smoking and exploitation of plant, land and user alike.

I'm going to write a lil booklet about this adventure, y'all will get a free PDF through Omnicyclion.org cause, it's high time to set the slaves of Marlboro country free, don't you think? Enough smoking, spitting, vaping, patching, top dollar gum and pouches.

Coming soon.
 
I feel that Makhorka truly smells different .. much nicer smell I think .. but maybe it’s just me . Nostalgia maybe. I didn’t know you could still get that . Impressive !
 
I feel that Makhorka truly smells different .. much nicer smell I think .. but maybe it’s just me . Nostalgia maybe. I didn’t know you could still get that . Impressive !
 
one of my Makhorkas got half eaten by an apparently very nicotine resistant caterpillar.. Natures way of Darwinian selection and stress = higher alkaloids so, its all good and the grazing stopped so that is gonna be one Entheogenic butterfly :)
 
August 2. Growth is slower than anticipated, i have a pest, lost some plants... If I get seed and some leaf this season I am satisfied. Left are the strongest of the dozen - darwinian selection. These leaves already shine with nicotine, 32 days after transplanting to my garden. Getting old USSR Makhorka from a German seed bank ready for a Dutch garden will take approx 3 growing seasons.

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20 days later, my Makhorka (Mapacho, Rapé, Nicotiana rustica) is properly cabbaging out, good leaf formation, shining with nicotine and related alkaloids.

Will I be able to harvest seeds this year?

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Just took a thumbnail sized leaf piece (70mg) off the Nicotiana rustica plant in my garden, who was ok with it, put it in my mouth, chewed, held on the tongue.. Deep relaxation, the Spirit of the plant came over me, instructed me wisely and led me to this video to pay respect to it. Vojtech Chladek, thank you. Know yourself to be Blessed, check out my channel. The Spirits are moving!

My first ingestion of Nicotiana rustica of my own cultivation and the spirit is so kind to me, such instruction, the body high is far more relaxing than what nicotine lozenges do.

So satisfying.

You guys are seriously missing out: rustica leaf on tongue = key, just like in the Amazon rainforest.

Not a cigarette, laid-out-on-the-couch mmmm and it lasts!

Full circle.

The plant spirit and God are really making a point for me here, the physical effects of the alkaloids were disproportionate for the nicotine content of the little leaf bit I ate. Nicotiana rustica on the tongue is something entirely different from your marlboro or a snus packet.

Grow the plant, meet the Spirit, throw the cigarettes in the trash where they belong.

You just don't rot, chem and smoke a Spirit Plant.

Entheogenic.
 
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You should make some snus from it
Dry your leaves until brown and completely dry
Then grind it in a coffee grinder or blender like machine until its a fine flour

Take 100g tobacco flour, 100ml water, 10g salt(NaCl)
Mix it all up into a ”paste” put it in one of those airtight glass jars and leave it in the oven for 24h, I usually do around 80 - 90 degrees Celsius depending on batch size

After that take it out, mix 10g Sodium Carbonate(Na2CO3) into it evenly until its completely mixed in and put it back in the oven for 12h

After that you could add flavor to it, different extracts or essential oils that will go together well with the tobacco. Enjoy 😉
(You could also scale it down to like 1/10th your first time if you just wanna try it out)
 
Ah but you are talking Nicotiana tabacum I think, I'm talking Nicotiana rustica. Your recipe is interesting and should work well for rustica also. Harm reduction: tabacum is usually 1-2% nicotine, rustica often 8% or even more, it would be superb as a snus, needing only very little. If I look at your recipe i'm inclined to swap out the sodium carbonate with sodium bicarbonate, what are your thoughts on that?
 
Ah but you are talking Nicotiana tabacum I think, I'm talking Nicotiana rustica. Your recipe is interesting and should work well for rustica also. Harm reduction: tabacum is usually 1-2% nicotine, rustica often 8% or even more, it would be superb as a snus, needing only very little. If I look at your recipe i'm inclined to swap out the sodium carbonate with sodium bicarbonate, what are your thoughts on that?
I make mine with rustica but yes you are right, rustica is very strong and likely way too much for a non tolerant user. But Im from sweden where we start snusing as kids so unfortunately my tolerance is massive 😅

You can absolutely swap out the carbonate to bicarbonate, I usually make my carbonate from putting bicarbonate powder in the oven at 200 degrees celcius for 1 hour
Even then part of the carbonate likely converts back and forth within the snus due to taking up a proton from the water and turning back into bicarbonate

If snus flavorings arent available in your country I recommend just adding some vanilla extract or a tiny splash of your favorite hard alcohol for flavoring.
(Remember to add the flavoring last though)

Roll it up in a ball and put in under your top lip 😋
 


About 5 months ago I obtained a piece of cured Mapacho, Nicotiana rustica, Indian Tobacco aka Makhorka - a smaller but on average 4x more potent plant:



I took 0.1gr in my mouth, i got woozy, not of my choosing, 0.05gr was better, 0.03gr a sweet spot, each on separate days.

I'm a shamanic type person, I actually talk with the spirits of the plant. This can be learned, it starts with extending your faith that it can be done - worthy of another thread.

Mapacho told me how it hated what was being done with it and with Tobacco in general. It despises "curing", likening it to being thrown on the compost heap to rot, then dried in a form now packed with toxins and carcinogenic decomposition products and then, additives added and abused as a smoke all day long, killing the people it wants to guide - without a chance to guide them, reduced to a harmful drug of abuse, all the lethality of heroin but none of its gratification.

It didnt want me to use the piece of Mapacho anymore, literally likening it to a turd, what had been done to it so people could smoke-abuse and snort-abuse, both things he abhors.
I'll go with He, its a Masculine spirit.

He asked me to do two things: to order, from Ukraine, heirloom Makhorka seeds, supporting the war effort while obtaining Nicotiana rustica seeds from the glory days of pre-soviet and soviet union bygone days, hardy for cold, harsh, dry, extreme climates, farmer hand selected for well over a century and a half. Then, this coming growing season, to grow it, harvest less of an ounce of leaf for my needs for the year, and seeds.

But also to do another thing in preparation: to buy 1mg and 4mg nicotine lozenges, such as used for quitting smoking, and using 1-4mg once every other day or so, not just to train myself to uncouple nicotine from the memory of smoking towards oral use, and to build a light tolerance and to get my heart-mind axis used to that YES, there will be nicotine again but NO, it will not come accompanied with all the medical horrors of smoking or addiction at this point. It will be a once-every-other-day treat to ease my brain and digestive system with nicotine benefits without any of the detriments of abusive ROA or abuse, period.

It's been almost 5 months now. The warm season for planting in my windowsill is coming.

All this time I used these doses, once every other day, no addiction, no discomfort, no head rushes, peacefully like an ADULT.

It's a small pleasure, but used like this, the south american native way of putting a bit on your tongue and going about your day, uncured, unpolluted - it's right this way.

I'll take the leaves when they are most fresh, swiftly dry them green, pulverize, a pinch on the tongue and suck it, 20 pinches to a gram just like there are 20 cigarettes to a pack, but without any of the perversion of curing, smoking and exploitation of plant, land and user alike.

I'm going to write a lil booklet about this adventure, y'all will get a free PDF through Omnicyclion.org cause, it's high time to set the slaves of Marlboro country free, don't you think? Enough smoking, spitting, vaping, patching, top dollar gum and pouches.

Coming soon.

ok IDK how to grow good tobacco but I reckon if U let it be it'll grow large. I was growing baccie in my yard for a bit but wasn't getting anything beyond mediocre but now I have a massive plant I didn't plant. I think its because I didn't do any transplants :ROFLMAO:
 
Rustica snus, that's interesting, probably very little is needed, if large tolerance isnt in place.
The fresh Rustica leaf bit was potent and tasty, it needed no mitigation. sharp spinach, lol.
 
Like this thread, i had allready left the commercial brand s.
Using American Spirit, which when smoked give allready a bizar rush.
Where no commercial brand would.

Then found out we in the Netherland s had 2 of the last snuff Tobacco mills.
Which i bought in Gouda, by chance, the Mill s stand in R_dam.
'De Lelie' and 'de Ster' even these are like your plants mentioned tortured.

So cured milled mixed [some] but they were like the brand i mentioned.
Free of weird chemical additives, and maybe they used different kind of Tobacco s.
1 i had was stronger then the other, didn t know a thing about strain s.
Att, Rustica or Tabacum, the powder which was basically un-snortable.
I wouldn t advise it, in my pipe on a bed of Weed gave the biggest rush ever got.

And that was from Latakia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latakia_(tobacco),
which i believe made with Nicotine Tabacum. Virginia they mentioned .
Just a accidental discovery of a new way of drying curing that fell in good taste.
Sadly the mills closed after EU re-regulated Tobacco.

The Museum small size production was not exclude for historical value.
They had to pay just like Marlboro, so they cosed the mill s.
guess it became restaurant s aka museum no longer in use.


Love that sneeze :ROFLMAO: he was warned !

Definite gonna try your method, start in Spring with planting.
Or is Autumn / Winter in a light window also a option ?

Bit like going from English breakfast tea to Matcha.
Leaving out the middle steps, same plant Matcha superior.
Way higher in everything. Nice read thank s, will do.
[if the seed s are available easy]
 
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Thank you so much for your fantastic post and 1942 (mid-occupation!) snuff windmills video!

The seeds are readily available online. In Dutch: Boerentabak (Nicotiana rustica). Why not buy Makhorka seeds in Ukraïne <3
 
Had the chance to try rapé on a festival in the Netherlands.

Something felt shady about entering a tipi with "RAPE" written above the entrance though..

Marketing can be important. Maybe LSB could have taken off if it didn't sound like the B-movie version of the parent compound, heh.
 
A Rape Tipi hahahaha, shady to say the least!

Its best in your mouth, where plants belong.
Was it a good experience for you?
Rapé intranasal sounds intense!
(oh and for the lay reader, its pronounced HApey)
 
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