Time to Sober Up Again

[RobustTuna]

After putting together 5 years of sobriety I relapsed hard about 2 months ago. Was taking everything - H, coke, oxy, benzos, you name it. I've held it together up until today when I had to leave work because I was withdrawing so hard from all the oxy I've been eating/snorting. It's time to stop.

I have questions though, I'm currently on day 2 of heroin/oxy withdrawls taking my Subs again. Do I stop the benzos too or create a slow taper? I can't afford to go back to treatment due to my job I think a meeting may be in order though. I need help!

 

[endlessnameless]

No, never stop benzos cold-turkey. You're going to have to wean yourself down off them. What dose (and which benzo) have you been taking?

 

[RobustTuna]

No, never stop benzos cold-turkey. You're going to have to wean yourself down off them. What dose (and which benzo) have you been taking?

Xanax, Klonopin and Valium

 

[lost weekend]

I would stick with just your clonozopam, it lasts longer per dose ,would need to know how much benzos you have been doing ,I know that valium has a longer half life and is the prefered method for tapering by doctors but if you could get yourself down to 1mg clonozopam a day or even 2 ,1mg in morning and 1mg after work that's manageable .but would need to know your tolerance to begin with .I had no problem ditching xanax and valium and staying on clonozopam but everyone is different I suppose.i firmly believe xanax and valium have to much recreational value compaired to kpins ,xanax especially, its a devil of a drug

 

[NY2soFlo]

Agree with everyone... especially if you're going through opiate detox, I'd def choose a nice long slow benzo taper so you're not weathering two storms at once. Also, from a HR standpoint the only option is to taper.

I'm currently 18 days clean after going cold turkey on a 4+ year fent run. Things just got progressively harder to control, money became tighter, and the lifestyle just took too much time away from what matters now. I think being in the right mindset made all the difference. Having push and pull factors to leave active addiction behind. The link in my signature is my log of the detox... which has a LOT of good info and lists/dosages of Rx Meds + OTC supps that made this detox honestly not so terrible. Id take a look if you want to brush up on what's needed med wise to make this not as awful. Also noted- I used a VERY conservative low dose sub taper (2/1.5/1.5/1/1/.5).

 

[RobustTuna]

Thanks guys, this information is incredibly helpful. NY2 congrats on your sobriety, very commendable.

 

[NY2soFlo]

Thanks guys, this information is incredibly helpful. NY2 congrats on your sobriety, very commendable.

Thanks, appreciate it. So far so good. I know I have to start the meetings now that I'm able to leave the house.

Are you planning on staying on subs for a while or just using them to taper down? aka a classic "detox" aided with the normal comfort meds?

 

[RobustTuna]

Thanks, appreciate it. So far so good. I know I have to start the meetings now that I'm able to leave the house.

Are you planning on staying on subs for a while or just using them to taper down? aka a classic "detox" aided with the normal comfort meds?

I'm going to stay on them for at least 6 months to a year. 8mg twice a day. Main reason the relapse came is because I stopped going to my 12-step groups and had tapered off subs. Have had 2 long stints of sobriety - 7 years and 5 years. This last relapse came about 2 months after the sub taper. Stopped going to AA/NA months ago because I thought I was different than the other addicts. Just goes to show addiction doesn't discriminate. There is so much value in unloading all your shit in room full of like-minded people.

 

[lost weekend]

Agree with everyone... especially if you're going through opiate detox, I'd def choose a nice long slow benzo taper so you're not weathering two storms at once. Also, from a HR standpoint the only option is to taper.

I'm currently 18 days clean after going cold turkey on a 4+ year fent run. Things just got progressively harder to control, money became tighter, and the lifestyle just took too much time away from what matters now. I think being in the right mindset made all the difference. Having push and pull factors to leave active addiction behind. The link in my signature is my log of the detox... which has a LOT of good info and lists/dosages of Rx Meds + OTC supps that made this detox honestly not so terrible. Id take a look if you want to brush up on what's needed med wise to make this not as awful. Also noted- I used a VERY conservative low dose sub taper (2/1.5/1.5/1/1/.5).

Well done .

 

[lost weekend]

I'm going to stay on them for at least 6 months to a year. 8mg twice a day. Main reason the relapse came is because I stopped going to my 12-step groups and had tapered off subs. Have had 2 long stints of sobriety - 7 years and 5 years. This last relapse came about 2 months after the sub taper. Stopped going to AA/NA months ago because I thought I was different than the other addicts. Just goes to show addiction doesn't discriminate. There is so much value in unloading all your shit in room full of like-minded people.

I would find that really hard I think , admitting I have an alcohol problem to other people but like you say its a tried and proven method on the way to recovery. I sometimes think that because I work and keep it hidden I'm not the same as an alcoholic I pass by in the street ,I just have been more fortunate in that I'm kinda financially secure [month to month]there's no difference just circumstances

 

[NY2soFlo]

I'm going to stay on them for at least 6 months to a year. 8mg twice a day. Main reason the relapse came is because I stopped going to my 12-step groups and had tapered off subs. Have had 2 long stints of sobriety - 7 years and 5 years. This last relapse came about 2 months after the sub taper. Stopped going to AA/NA months ago because I thought I was different than the other addicts. Just goes to show addiction doesn't discriminate. There is so much value in unloading all your shit in room full of like-minded people.

I know that routine... sorry to hear it. How was it tapering off them? I did a bupe taper/detox once after about a year of "maintenance" and it was pretty rough. I feel like the taper ultimately smoothes the ride out at the end, but at the cost of really feeling it each time you step down. For me stepping from 4mg to 2mg is always the hardest. And my brain reminds me that with a measly 2mg of bupe in me now, I can easily make this unpleasantness go away.

 

[NY2soFlo]

I would find that really hard I think , admitting I have an alcohol problem to other people but like you say its a tried and proven method on the way to recovery. I sometimes think that because I work and keep it hidden I'm not the same as an alcoholic I pass by in the street ,I just have been more fortunate in that I'm kinda financially secure [month to month]there's no difference just circumstances

It's a tough thing to accept. I told myself pretty much every other possible thing until I eventually proved it wrong, and had to just shut up and let go and do what I'm told. I guess it's part of the process.

 

[RobustTuna]

I know that routine... sorry to hear it. How was it tapering off them? I did a bupe taper/detox once after about a year of "maintenance" and it was pretty rough. I feel like the taper ultimately smoothes the ride out at the end, but at the cost of really feeling it each time you step down. For me stepping from 4mg to 2mg is always the hardest. And my brain reminds me that with a measly 2mg of bupe in me now, I can easily make this unpleasantness go away.

If got bad when I got down to about 2-4mg
I finally just said f this, stopped completely, waited a couple days and started doing oxys and H again.

 

[NY2soFlo]

If got bad when I got down to about 2-4mg
I finally just said f this, stopped completely, waited a couple days and started doing oxys and H again.

Yea… that’s the problem with sub maitenance. I legit don’t know anyone who’s just “stayed on subs”… there’s always some bs mixed in. Plus, the bill still comes at the end regardless. Having detoxed off everything… I’d pick fast and hard with something fast acting like oxy or h.

 

[RobustTuna]

Yea… that’s the problem with sub maitenance. I legit don’t know anyone who’s just “stayed on subs”… there’s always some bs mixed in. Plus, the bill still comes at the end regardless. Having detoxed off everything… I’d pick fast and hard with something fast acting like oxy or h.

Well I'm om day 5 and I fell so much better already. Just dealing with some runny nose, watery eyes and mild chills. You guys are the best, ty so mucb for all the suggesstions!

 

[emkee_reinvented]

So glad i never got addicted to either a opioid [except Kratom]
But that was not hard to break like, a strong opioid like o-DSMT.
Or Benzo s, witnessed my 4-th WD from Alcohol this week.

So to the OP, needed a place to vent some. As after my last,
DIY [3-rd] DETOX from Booze. 3 week pain. Took up a rotation schedule.
Smart move right not really different.

At step 6 now: sober, and its irritating mainly the being glued to chair.
No will to do something about anything. So everything twice as heavy.
Did use a new set of step s 1. Booze, 2. LSD and a Benzo after,
maybe day 2 2C-E. 3. Booze. 4. Few days o-DSMT & mostly Benzo for sleep.
5. Booze again get addicted or almost. 6. Taper slow till where i am know.

My dextro-Amphetamine prescribed last 2 mnth s. All up 1.5 week to soon
Before always had 1/4 left, so this month cut of 1/3 on fore hand.
Simply for not being without, secondary if i take more it s direct related to.
More drinking, it is already to much ! That did work.

Same with Benzo s is my gut feel, taper. Worked with drinking.
Its easier with pills, just need s will power and strategy.
Like the day of the job interview, that day i would not taper.
[not overdue it either, and sit there drooling on your best clothes]

But now in this sober period, it has so much positives. still i hate it, really.
I d be a great Junk aside my needle phobia. As stress does rise, drive plummet s.
Did work for the Booze, medical DETOX is dumbest, my former method.
Basically the same but in my own environment, using way lower doses of Benzo s.

But Benzo s for Alcohol WD is a bit bullshit GABA-b,
treating with a addictive GABA-a. So the taper using Alcohol wasn t easy.
But till now my best way out, i do work out and have a healthy diet.
And try not to skip meals. That was not during the former 3 breaks/ relapses.
i was a of myself.

Slept fine till know, so it seem s OK. Slept better then when drinking.
Got real sweet dreams, which was surprising. Used to nightmare s,
or insomnia.

edit: Bit more wake now, and although the landing was gentle, still feel s.
Like my neuro-system is just as imbalanced as with the other way s.
The taper did make it gentler.

 

[lost weekend]

So glad i never got addicted to either a opioid [except Kratom]
But that was not hard to break like, a strong opioid like o-DSMT.
Or Benzo s, witnessed my 4-th WD from Alcohol this week.

So to the OP, needed a place to vent some. As after my last,
DIY [3-rd] DETOX from Booze. 3 week pain. Took up a rotation schedule.
Smart move right not really different.

At step 6 now: sober, and its irritating mainly the being glued to chair.
No will to do something about anything. So everything twice as heavy.
Did use a new set of step s 1. Booze, 2. LSD and a Benzo after,
maybe day 2 2C-E. 3. Booze. 4. Few days o-DSMT & mostly Benzo for sleep.
5. Booze again get addicted or almost. 6. Taper slow till where i am know.

My dextro-Amphetamine prescribed last 2 mnth s. All up 1.5 week to soon
Before always had 1/4 left, so this month cut of 1/3 on fore hand.
Simply for not being without, secondary if i take more it s direct related to.
More drinking, it is already to much ! That did work.

Same with Benzo s is my gut feel, taper. Worked with drinking.
Its easier with pills, just need s will power and strategy.
Like the day of the job interview, that day i would not taper.
[not overdue it either, and sit there drooling on your best clothes]

But now in this sober period, it has so much positives. still i hate it, really.
I d be a great Junk aside my needle phobia. As stress does rise, drive plummet s.
Did work for the Booze, medical DETOX is dumbest, my former method.
Basically the same but in my own environment, using way lower doses of Benzo s.

But Benzo s for Alcohol WD is a bit bullshit GABA-b,
treating with a addictive GABA-a. So the taper using Alcohol wasn t easy.
But till now my best way out, i do work out and have a healthy diet.
And try not to skip meals. That was not during the former 3 breaks/ relapses.
i was a of myself.

Slept fine till know, so it seem s OK. Slept better then when drinking.
Got real sweet dreams, which was surprising. Used to nightmare s,
or insomnia.

edit: Bit more wake now, and although the landing was gentle, still feel s.
Like my neuro-system is just as imbalanced as with the other way s.
The taper did make it gentler.

For me switching to benzos instead of alcohol wouldn't work ,I'm not far enough down the road that I would need them for dts ,plus I know exactly what would happen ,maeng da ,clonozopam and beer .a sort of holy trinity

 

[emkee_reinvented]

For me switching to benzos instead of alcohol wouldn't work ,I'm not far enough down the road that I would need them for dts ,plus I know exactly what would happen ,maeng da ,clonozopam and beer .a sort of holy trinity

Didn t for me neither, noticed this my first physical WD to Alcohol started.
DIY, the light dose Benzo i took mainly to get some shut eye,
at no point stopped the WD.

For me i can assure even now day 2 i feel better then day zero at waking.
Also compared to my previous DIY methods and certainly the inpatient DETOX.
i contribute this to my rotating different drugs. Risking another sort of ´holy trinity'.
So cut of the means too do that, so even if i would wish Not a option.

At DETOX they are even dumber, they have a arsenal of helpful med s,
that when inpatient can be used. Still they use Diazepam, gave me a monster dose.
Result i slept the first day during daytime after each dose, suffering WDs, asleep.

At night the big dose 40 mg, i slept 2 hour s, rest of the night sat WD-ing.
In the living room, tranquillised no fun. They got Baclofen and GHB,
both better option s imo.

So next day requested halving that 80 mg Diazepam.
That night was better, slept, but had drunken so much water i peed in my bed.
They said that is normal on Benzodiazepinen.

WTF, i am a expert never got addicted to em nor whetted my bed on them.
But then again their doses are overkill, and they work on assumption.
[could better have warned me for that bed wet on forehand]
Had to clean my bed myself, thanks.

When does DTS occur.
According to my dr. Bible within 72 hours to 7 day s after discontinuation ?
So the the seizure, they attributed to drinking only.
Was obvious a consequence of stress, insomnia and then 3-rd factor Booze.
Let this go on 2 year s. With a dr that refused to help.
Or maybe he didn t believe me assumpted i was 'drug-seeking' ?

Drunk that night had my seizure after a sleepless night.
That morning, after 7 hour after my last drink.
Imo the Alcohol became a factor contributing to my insomnia. Crept in.
While also being a consequence, i felt better on Alcohol after no sleep ?
Digging my own hole deeper.

So what is a DTS, is it correct these occur no sooner then 72 hour s ?
For me a taper with Booze worked less painful then the CT and switch,
to a Benzo [GABA-b and what not, ain t gonna stop that with a GABA-a].

Will sent out some global will strenght today Lost Weekend.

 

[lost weekend]

I've only really stopped drink for 4 days and that was very recent but I never experienced any withdrawals in fact the opiiste I felt so much better. I feel better in the morning the less I drink obviously.do you think the alcohol is still in my system after 4 days and worse could come.

 

[lost weekend]

I've drunk on average 4 beers during school nights all my adult life .more on a Friday.im so hung over on Saturday that it's normally just hair of the dog at 3pm and just 6 or 7 beers .Sunday I watch sport so back to 4 beers .Friday nights are killing me I'm drinking all sorts cider,beers and wine just because my brain is telling me I deserve it after a hard week