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Miscellaneous Wanting to try more psychedelics

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The problem is limited sources, no I’m soliciting help or assistance by any means. I’m just stating the fact that for me drugs are hard to come by. I’m able to grow mushrooms and get San Pedro in the mail, however those are on hold until I have a permanent residency again.

When I read blue light posts I want to jump in and contribute but in reality I know so little compared to other members here. In retrospect everyone has something to contribute based on life experience after all that is what this forum is about…life experiences, with or without tools of the trade.

I can’t imagine what life would be like other than what I’ve experienced. No doubt an obvious observation profound a statement as it may be. All I know is me, beyond that is pure speculation.

Tripping for me null…I’ve tried a number of times without hallucinating but with benefits that do not go unnoticed. My thoughts become clearer and more precise than without substances influence. My mood elevates I feel positive and invigorated with psychedelics. No one can tell me this is not therapeutic, it’s like a snake shedding its skin and the freshness of a new day.

So yes there are benefits to using psychedelics besides tripping and if tripping were an option to me perhaps I might have overlooked this small attribute of the psychedelic experience.
 
I'm not sure of the legal status of it in the country that you live in, but I imagine that you could grow some heavenly blue or pearly gate morning glory varietals and harvest the fresh seed. They get a bad rap in part, I believe, due to the active constituents degrading into nasty chemicals pretty quickly as they age. Use them fresh (and cold water extract them) or even eat them unripe and raw, and I expect that you may find them to be quite lovely.
 
Take your time, I didnt start untill thirty five years old and have kept it to 0-4 times a year, including sub 4 s, and lsd, mdma. I would include ketamine in the psychedelic catagory but this would make it go to 10 x's a year, maybe more. Im glad I waited
 
The problem is limited sources, no I’m soliciting help or assistance by any means. I’m just stating the fact that for me drugs are hard to come by. I’m able to grow mushrooms and get San Pedro in the mail, however those are on hold until I have a permanent residency again.

When I read blue light posts I want to jump in and contribute but in reality I know so little compared to other members here. In retrospect everyone has something to contribute based on life experience after all that is what this forum is about…life experiences, with or without tools of the trade.

I can’t imagine what life would be like other than what I’ve experienced. No doubt an obvious observation profound a statement as it may be. All I know is me, beyond that is pure speculation.

Tripping for me null…I’ve tried a number of times without hallucinating but with benefits that do not go unnoticed. My thoughts become clearer and more precise than without substances influence. My mood elevates I feel positive and invigorated with psychedelics. No one can tell me this is not therapeutic, it’s like a snake shedding its skin and the freshness of a new day.

So yes there are benefits to using psychedelics besides tripping and if tripping were an option to me perhaps I might have overlooked this small attribute of the psychedelic experience
Interesting to read this at a point where psychedelics seem to be more readily available worldwide that ever before

.what have you had and at what doses to render you without hallucinations? you dosing on top of any other meds? ('hallucinations' being pretty different experientialy for many ppl tbh and definitely not the be-all-and-end-all of psychedelics, as you appear to realise anyway)
 
I take Vraylar 4.5 mg antipsychotic in the past I stopped taking Vraylar for up to 3 weeks but after that I get grouchy. The latest I've taken is San Pedro cactus and at most I get a nice buzz. 4-HO-MET is a psilocybin derivative that makes my eyes feel weird as if to hallucinate but I don't.
I plan to experiment with LSA MG seeds, grow mushrooms and San Pedro cactus when housing is stable.

My age is probably a factor as well.. I will be 71 n 10 days.

Looking into lucid dreaming with valerian root and mugwort.
 
You need a slight break from anti-depressants and possibly antipsyhcotics? If possible? Im nit a dr. But I do know my s/o has to rake double the dose just to have a decent trip but I still feel she's missing out on the full spectrum.
 
Tragically most antidepressants and newer "atypical" anti-psychotics profoundly interfere with the effects of psychedelics by blocking and possibly down-regulating the receptors that psychedelics act through. Ceasing the drug for long enough to clear the body may help by unblocking the receptors, but if the receptors have been chronically down-regulated, then it could takes months or more for normal responsiveness to return.

Compounding the issue is that many people who take antidepressants and antipsychotics develop strong dependence on them, such that it can take several months or even years to taper off them without triggering hellish withdraw effects which can sometimes be difficult to reverse even with reinstatement of the drug(s). Unfortunately these facts are not well documented in medical literature, so many people seek help from online communities like surviving-antidepressants.org.

Sorry that I don't have better news to share, but I'm glad you've experienced at least some benefits from your psychedelic use. Your trips may not be as complete as they otherwise would be, but it sounds like you are still tripping a little bit in a certain sense. Taking larger doses may or may not get you there. San Pedros are tricky with many being quite weak, but mushrooms tend to be easy to produce in sufficient quantity that you can take as much as you like. Mushrooms grow quite fast and with the right techniques, they can be grown very discretely.
 
I am disappointed with San Pedro, I got a slight buzz but other than that...disappointing.

I look forward to experimenting with different psilocybin strains of mushrooms...I grew white golden teacher but only had 2 grams before my wife convinced me to throw it away. I was frustrated by the lacking effects of it all that I tossed it into the compost pile. Honestly don't know how it will be after we move back into our house it's been so long living in an Rv. that I cannot remember. My wife is concerned about the legality of psychedelic substances therefore obviously against it. Hopefully legislature allowing personal use will pass in NYS Senate and I can continue to self-medicate with these substances without retribution.

Since introducing psilocybin into my system 3 months ago I've found I am no longer depressed or have a need for antidepressants. I stopped Effexor Venlafaxine 225 mg cold turkey without withdrawal side affects which is remarkable considering the nature of the drug.

I'm taking stimulants now, Vyvanse 50 mg (lisdexamfetamine) and dextoampheatimine 20 mg along with Vraylar 4.5 (caripraszine) antipsychotic that also treats depression. SAM-e over-the-counter mood, liver, joint & cognition support. I don't know if Belsomra a medication for treating insomnia blocks hallucinations although it works by blocking certain substances in the brain that promotes wakefulness. plus 20 mg melatonin a night helps me sleep.

Who knows, with all of these chemicals floating around inside me it's no wonder a true psychedelic experience might be in jeopardy of producing desired effects?

There you have it..this is what I'm dealing with.
 
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I am disappointed with San Pedro, I got a slight buzz but other than that...disappointing.

I personally prefer the effects of San Pedro over psilocybin mushrooms, but mushrooms grow much faster, which matters even more if you end up needing much bigger doses to get anywhere.

I look forward to experimenting with different psilocybin strains of mushrooms...I grew white golden teacher but only had 2 grams before my wife convinced me to throw it away. I was frustrated by the lacking effects of it all that I tossed it into the compost pile. Honestly don't know how it will be after we move back into our house it's been so long living in an Rv. that I cannot remember. My wife is concerned about the legality of psychedelic substances therefore obviously against it. Hopefully legislature allowing personal use will pass in NYS Senate and I can continue to self-medicate with these substances without retribution.

This is all very unfortunate. Regarding my wife and I, psychedelics have been a part of our relationship from the start. We did have 11 years in which we didn't do them at all, and she was a little apprehensive about my decision to resume use of them until we both realized that they are extraordinarily effective for treating the chronic diseases I suffer from. Now she joins me on many of my journeys like in the old days. I'm sad that a lot of people abuse these things when they are in their teens and twenties and then abandon them later, because I think the benefits are even more apparent to us when we are older.

The legal situation is extremely regrettable, and I imagine you feel more vulnerable living in the RV which may be easier for police to intrude upon. Hopefully your wife will be more amenable to the mushroom growing if you are living in a permanent residence again. I do think the risk of legal trouble associated with psychedelics is quite a bit lower than with other illegal drugs including cannabis, especially if you don't try to sell anything you produce. Of course cannabis is now somewhat legal in many states including NY, so I do hope your state decriminalizes personal psychedelics use.

Since introducing psilocybin into my system 3 months ago I've found I am no longer depressed or have a need for antidepressants. I stopped Effexor Venlafaxine 225 mg cold turkey without withdrawal side affects which is remarkable considering the nature of the drug.

It's widely believed that one must trip hard in order to experience therapeutic benefits, but I don't believe that's true at all. I'm glad you got some benefits, even if the effects you experienced were quite weak. IMO for many people a hard trip may be psychologically (or even physically) risky, and it may be better for them to take multiple smaller doses instead of trying to heal everything with one big trip.

I do hope your Effexor discontinuation works out for you. For some people, there is a post-acute withdrawal phase which may take several months after discontinuation or dose reduction to manifest. It's a highly individual thing though, and it depends a lot on how long you were taking the drug.

I'm taking stimulants now, Vyvanse 50 mg (lisdexamfetamine) and dextoampheatimine 20 mg along with Vraylar 4.5 (caripraszine) antipsychotic that also treats depression. SAM-e over-the-counter mood, liver, joint & cognition support. I don't know if Belsomra a medication for treating insomnia blocks hallucinations although it works by blocking certain substances in the brain that promotes wakefulness. plus 20 mg melatonin a night helps me sleep.

Who knows, with all of these chemicals floating around inside me it's no wonder a true psychedelic experience might be in jeopardy of producing desired effects?

Most of these things could potentially alter a psychedelic experience, but it's the atypical antipsychotics (like caripraszine) and anti-depressants (like venlafaxine) that strongly interfere with and even block the action of psychedelics. You've quit the venlafaxine, and so it's down to the caripraszine, which I understand has a very long half-life and persists in the body for a very long time. Even after it's cleared the body, it may take a long time for the body to return to a normal baseline which is sufficiently sensitive to psychedelics for a "normal" experience to be had.

I'm not a doctor and cannot advise you on whether to quit taking any of these drugs, but being that you "got grumpy" a few weeks after trying to quit the caripraszine, it may be helpful to try to work out whether the grumpiness you experienced is a consequence of withdraw or of the underlying condition(s) it was treating. Unfortunately, many if not most doctors regard any negative effects that arise after discontinuation of a psychiatric drug to be "reemergence of the underlying disorder" even when it is clear to the patient that this is not the case. If you actually need the drug, then so be it, but if you're suffering from withdraw upon discontinuation, then the solution is to taper---very very slowly if needed. You might need to taper down to almost zero and then maybe wait a long time for normal responsiveness to return. Even then, I don't want to guarantee anything, and I am extremely reluctant to even discuss the prospect of discontinuing psyche drugs (or even skipping doses for that matter) with people because of the risk of things going very badly. It is so bad because I believe a great many people end up taking psyche drugs for a variety conditions that psychedelics would be much safer and more effective for if used skillfully.

BTW, 20 mg of melatonin is a huge dose. For inducing sleep, melatonin works best at a "sweet spot" dose, which for most people is at or under 1 mg. The downside with oral melatonin is that it is cleared from the body too rapidly to mimic natural production, and this causes people to awaken too soon. Some manufacturers attempt to address this using a time release formula, but I have no idea how well these work in practice. When I took melatonin regularly, I tended to take around 2 tablets of "1 mg" strength, with the caveat that I noticed a lot of variation between batches from most manufacturers. At something like 2 mg, melatonin may not work as well to induce sleep, but active amounts of stick around in the body longer, allowing one to sleep a bit longer.

Best wishes to you, whatever path you choose to take.
 
Thank you for your insightful response. I will taper intake of caripraszine to 1 capsule every other night and see where that leads me. As far as the melatonin, I agree it’s a heavy dose. I bought it off eBay without researching dosage. For now, I empty the capsule in mint tea before retiring to bed. I will look into a smaller dosage to purchase.
Question about stims, do they negatively impact psychedelic experience?

The last time I took mushrooms it was white golden teacher strain…if I had taken a different more powerful strain known for visuals would it have made a difference as far as tripping is concerned?
 
The last time I took mushrooms it was white golden teacher strain…if I had taken a different more powerful strain known for visuals would it have made a difference as far as tripping is concerned?
I don't think you'll find much difference between psilocybe mushroom strains - the active consituent is basically the same in all of them, so it's more a matter of dosage/potency than anything. It's possible that there are other active molecules that synergize with the psilocybin and that those are found in different ratios in different strains, but it's a bit of a stretch. I think the simple model that they're all the same with different potencies is functionally accurate, the rest is marketing.
 
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