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Dissociatives Why can't i khole? Did i fry my nmda receptors? Was this a khole?

IWantFentanylInMyShit

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So, i think my extensive salvia use has something to do with my problem. This is because I find the two substances to be somewhat similar, and they are both potentially toxic to nmda receptors. I've done a lot of salvia 60X. And I've seen crazy stuff on that. That would take me hours of typing to get it all across. There's been at least two times where I came out of salvia land and went back in repeatedly until my whole gram of 60 x was gone. Eventually, though I was unable to cross into salvia land. The salvia lore my head has built has an explanation but its all psychosis anyways.

Anyways, when I first started doing k and sharing it around with friends, I noticed that I was giving them too big of lines because they would start k holing from just one. Ketamine is my favorite substance and I can never get enough of it. It wasn't until seeing my friends' reluctance to want to do ketamine, that I realize for most people, it is something they have to prepare themselves for much like I have to do with acid. And even when they agree with a great deal of nervousness, they usually say they're good by line four if not line three. I had a friend tell me he believes that I did so many lines, just because people were around and I was trying to show off. I've also read forums here on blue light mentioning how molly helps people deal with the k hole better and it makes it easier to do. For me though, I cannot pace myself. I could generally burn through 2 g by myself in a night
Which always results in me just talking about TOOL and studying math lol.

I have another friend who's DOC Is ketamine, I would say he's the only one who can keep up. When he was surprised that i've never kholed and told me that he would bring me there, he tapped out before I got close. We had like three grams between the two of us and he ended up tapping out before we got through half a g.

i have this other friend who could eat 10 tabs of acid, and just ask for more and eat them like they are candy all day. He blew my mind and I couldn't understand it, but I have people reacting to my preference of ket the same way I react to him and his proclivity for acid. I always figured that it was more impressive to eat ten tabs of cid and want more than to do ten lines of k and want more. But I am just baffled at the amount of people I see online and hang around that get nervous and have to prepare themselves. I will be in a room of people on less than half the amount I am, and they can't walk, and they're actually scared to do more. Last time that I tried to khole, i had a five gram stash, and I just kept snorting it until I was dripping sweat down my ribs and my body was completely numb.
All the while, my heart was pounding at probably 120 bpm. My friend asked me if I was okay because I was vibrating from how hard I was shaking, i asked him, why? am I gonna die? He told me that the feeling that i'm having of thinking I'm going to die.That's just being alive. And so I laid down on my bed as my legs and torso shook and vibrated the whole room and bed frame.
my friend asked me if I was okay and I-while shaking through my jittery voice-said, "this is experience." while the whole bed rumbled while I was soaking it in sweat and i was in a state of full tranquility, i wasn't happy or euphoric, or worried, just amazed. Like I saw the universe in a new light, the fact that my consciousness will know nothing but itself means that through billions of years of being nothing if I were to ever be again, i'd be right back where I am. Of course, I was aware that the chances of the matter of the universe creating itself into my brain with the same neural pathways and memories was basically impossible, but it had me considering that we built minecraft in a computer in Minecraft in a computer in real life. And that if we were to ever emulate the universe inside of itself, then we are in it already, because it would be infinite. I also considered that it took multiple redstone circuits to emulate even one block. So of course each time the universe is inside of itself, it would have to be pixelated, because the only way to have every informational aspect of the universe represented, we would need a copy of it, and you can't have two of everything, because everything is everything. I felt as though i've become part of a larger picture, and that if life persisted, perhaps a god brain will commence, where all of the matter of the universe lines itself up into nothing, but a god brain, stroking its ego going.I am I am I am. I definitely felt like I had accessed the conscious grid. And that I can see the insidious nature of matter arranging itself into consciousness and that we must get along and find a way to survive without feeding on life.

I was considering zero dimensional points and binary and everything i know about irrational numbers. I was definitely in a different plane of existence, so to speak. But here's the thing: I was still able to walk just fine (maybe a bit wobbly) and hold a conversation with my friend just fine, i was even able to delve deep into complex math discussions and teach him about the derivative. I did over half of my five gram sack, but I gave up and wanted to save some for more friends.

Was that a khole? is this normal? Am I truly as unhinged as my one friend who could eat a whole sheet of acid like it's candy and want more?

Is anybody else unable to paralyze themselves through insufflation of k?

Why do people get nervous about doing it?Especially after they've already had their first time?

And yes I tested it with my frenz with dance safe kits.
 
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Salvia doesn't touch on NMDA receptors, and if you're super nonresponsive to ketamine, it may just boil down to something neurological. Do any other arylcyclohexylamines work for you? Some people can k-hole but not form memories in it so they end up thinking they never experience it, even though they do.
 
Salvia doesn't touch on NMDA receptors, and if you're super nonresponsive to ketamine, it may just boil down to something neurological. Do any other arylcyclohexylamines work for you? Some people can k-hole but not form memories in it so they end up thinking they never experience it, even though they do.
I've only tried k. And no I definitely haven't k holed and lost memory. I definitely go somewhere else but im still coherent. I wouldn't think it to be so weird if it weren't for my frenz thinking im a goblin for how i do it.

I heard that salvia may cause olney's lesions and they are both dissociative and feel similarishish which is where I got the misunderstanding
 
Can those kits tell k apart from the various analogues? I've heard 2-FDCK feels a lot like ketamine but is much harder to hole with.
Yes. Specifically for fent, pcp, and analogues. It's still super potent for me, I just don't ever have trouble walking or understanding my surroundings
 
Okay, so I tried again. This stuff was not tested and I THINK this is a k hole??? Idk you tell me. I was already zooted and unable to game well but my fren came over and I did a big line with him. Before I knew it I was in a salvia land type deal with my friends in the room looking like humans, very human, but very VERY mammalian. With their hair and eyes and noses on their face, they were creatures... human beings if you will, and I just exposed my brain to the conscious grid. I was standing with my hands thrown over my mouth to feel where the book tore off from my previous salvia land experiences. I was in the room looking at the conscious construction of reality before getting whipped back into the same room in a wheel like fashion to these mammals. I asked them if they just saw that and they said yes. I asked my friends what I looked like and they all put their fingers on their mouths the same way I was while laughing. I told them that I was having trouble knowing my proper place in the multiverse and I apologized for having main character syndrome. They assured me that I don't/that we all do and I got spun back into my place in the same room but bigger, like, instead of us all being tiny building blocks, that we were moderate sized building blocks inside my sprung open book of consciousness. My dad has been dead but I look to my friend Chad to see a father figure. I said "wait, you're Chad right?" And he said yes, "not Alan?" I then got crazy open eyed visuals of the depths of my mind being circles made up of circles made up of circles etc with entities being constructed by said circles. I heard banter of something like, "my friend Allen that looks and talks like me? Yeah, hes talking about a real person (i was)" the entities came back into their mammalian shape and I said "but you're striking me like a father figure or something though" and got thrown back into the circles in circles being the depths of my mind and I heard him say "idk but that's really wholesome to hear though" and I apologized for not understanding what they were doing because I was having main character syndrome and they all reassured me I was fine. I said, "I think im back" and asked Chad if I can hug him and we did. I was standing and pacing between the counter and dresser in the studio the whole time while having some conversation. Was this a K-hole? I had an even crazier experience later that I could share if you all would like
 
Do you ever close your eyes during an experience or are you always hanging out with people and interacting and keeping your eyes open?

For me, I only experience a K-Hole, or hole on any other dissociative if I close my eyes. If I'm in a hole and I open my eyes, it goes away. I can walk and move around if I need to, but if I close my eyes then I'm back into the hole.

If you want to for sure experience a hole, snort up 200mg at once, put on some headphones with some good music, then lay down and close your eyes. You'll slowly start to feel changes in gravity and when you end up completely in the hole, you'll probably know.

A K-Hole isn't the sort of experience that I'd like to have in a social setting. If you're hell bent on experiencing it, then I think it's best to get yourself a gram and play around with dosages in the comfort of your own home without having to worry about social interaction
 
Try s ketamine if you wanna k hole. Snorting that tuff is stronger then IVing regular k. I went directly down the k hole
 
I forget which type I have I did about 200mg at end of a roll few weeks ago and took off pretty good. Tried having same experience since but without the mdma and have not been about going up to around 600mg. However this last time I started with about 600mg and I got close to before but after about half hour I kinda felt it not going further so I did another 400mg. Total of a gram then. That did. Eyes closed with calm music in headphones and it was nuts. K-hole maybe. I couldn’t move nor did I want to. Definitely went somewhere else. Too hard to explain the trip.
 
There’s no way I could remain upright in a hole. Hard to walk afterwards too. Feel like I have no balance almost drunk like. But while in the hole I must be sitting or preferably laying.
 
Ive only snorted it
Did you understand the message of paranoid android??

He said to try snort S-ketamine, its another kind of ketamine than regular one that is more psychedelic.

Be careful with doses like 600mg in one line that Runi said for people who has no tolerance/experience with ket. That is a huge dose.

@IWantFentanylInMyShit if you dont wanna loose the magic of K dont overdo it like doing it daily strong doses for more than one week or two because you can enable permatolerance and ruin your experiences with k. Damage on bladder and kidneys are not a joke with this drug if you abuse too.

answering one of your questions I think its normal to get nervous if you dont have experience with a drug, especially with psychedelics. Its easy to understand for me thats fear
 
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Be careful with doses like 600mg in one line that Runi said for people who has no tolerance/experience with ket. That is a huge dose.

That was two lines, one for each nostril. But yes, definitely not for beginners.
 
Oh that,s important to snort with both nostrils to equilibrate both hemispheres of the brain but its a single dose anyways. Im joking a bit Runi but thats what a friend told me because he always do this. I dont know if that have any sense. I think it have sense with such a big dose to maximise the absortion of the drug.
 
Oh that,s important to snort with both nostrils to equilibrate both hemispheres of the brain but its a single dose anyways. Im joking a bit Runi but thats what a friend told me because he always do this. I dont know if that have any sense. I think it have sense with such a big dose to maximise the absortion of the drug.
Yeah I don’t know if it changes anything, likely all goes to the same place, but I just do it so not so much going up one nostril when I have two. No science behind why I do it.
As far as the size of the dose, it’s what it took to get where I wanted to go. Strange places I’ve been. Newer to K but tons of acid and shrooms over the years so not a rookie per se, but K is a much different journey. Intense but smooth. Someone else described as a smoother salvia ride which I tend to agree with.
 
Try s ketamine if you wanna k hole. Snorting that tuff is stronger then IVing regular k. I went directly down the k hole
The thing with S ketamine is virtually every vendor stocking ketamine claims to exclusively be stocking s-ketamine while very few list their ketamine as racemic, but, I infer, that most illicit ketamine is either synthesised in clandestine labs or diverted from the ventinery supply chain, both of which would be racemic.

So, I expect that most of the "s-ketamine" on the market is actually racemic and just marketed as "S" because it sounds more appealing. It's difficult to confirm one way or the other but I personally would suspect that the majority of what is sold as s-ketamine is in fact not. Reagents and even most lab tests can't distinguish between the two so you're really just left to take the seller on their word and draw your own conclusions from the subjective effects you experience.

For my part I've had a lot of ketamine sold as S and some sold as racemic and it all seems to be the same shit, but ymmv.

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The thing with S ketamine is virtually every vendor stocking ketamine claims to exclusively be stocking s-ketamine while very few list their ketamine as racemic, but, I infer, that most illicit ketamine is either synthesised in clandestine labs or diverted from the ventinery supply chain, both of which would be racemic.

So, I expect that most of the "s-ketamine" on the market is actually racemic and just marketed as "S" because it sounds more appealing. It's difficult to confirm one way or the other but I personally would suspect that the majority of what is sold as s-ketamine is in fact not. Reagents and even most lab tests can't distinguish between the two so you're really just left to take the seller on their word and draw your own conclusions from the subjective effects you experience.

For my part I've had a lot of ketamine sold as S and some sold as racemic and it all seems to be the same shit, but ymmv.

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Vendor I use has both but who knows it could all be the same. All I know it is very psychedelic. Last night was wild. I can’t even begin to explain it.
 
@IWantFentanylInMyShit if you dont wanna loose the magic of K dont overdo it like doing it daily strong doses for more than one week or two because you can enable permatolerance and ruin your experiences with k. Damage on bladder and kidneys are not a joke with this drug if you abuse too.
I did like a g to myself the other night and had a mental breakdown down. I had molly like shivers. I think i fried something. I think this comment answers my question. Im doing it everyday. It made the world so magical but it only does what every psychedelic does. I get reminded that my true goal at my core is to die. I want fent
 
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