Need Help Definitive List of Comfort Meds for Opiate Detox/ log of fent detox.

[pnillyg]

Outside of weaning off – which I have plenty of experience with I really don’t know much about ketamine or the pharmacological effects of NAC. But just from a common sense point of view if ketamine is helping you fuck the NAC.

Also, there’s been some really great people in this thread. If you take the time to read through it, we have been given really good information about different over-the-counter supplements that are all relatively cheap that can really help with weaning down. Even the vitamin C that I’m taking there’s a lot of literature where besides helping withdrawals, it really helps reducing tolerance and cravings, making it easier to wean down. I would give this full thread a read. . There’s a plethora of information in it. And not much fluff it’s pretty dense with information. lol.

ok i will comb through the thread again. yea ive seen some interesting methods using high dose vitamin c for acute withdrawls and is super interesting. never had much results but also scared to take 30g of vitamin c as ive been told to be careful of kidney stones and such with even much lower doses. i appreciate the quick responses. pardon my spelling today my spell check isnt working

 

[NY2soFlo]

Also- just a general update- at 8pm tonight I’ll be at 108 hours. Tomorrow is day 6.

Last night was my first “craving”. I have a small script of Subutex that my doctor pretty much forced me to take even though I told him I didn’t want to use it, but I took a urine test and five days after my last dose I still pissed hot for fentanyl like fully hot.

So I’m just mentioning this to let people know exactly how long acting this analog of fentanyl is. I know fentanyl can be stored in your fat so it may take longer to exit your body, but I was pretty surprised at five days that that dipstick was as solid as could be lol.

TLDR: no sub taken lol. If there’s one thing I’m not ever gonna do again. It’s a risk precipitated withdrawals. Because then I will run to my dealer to get out of it. And then I’ll waste this whole week. I’m going to take another fentanyl test tomorrow afternoon if I piss clean, I may end up doing a 1/1/,5/,5 taper. Or not. Depends on how I feel.

 

[NY2soFlo]

ok i will comb through the thread again. yea ive seen some interesting methods using high dose vitamin c for acute withdrawls and is super interesting. never had much results but also scared to take 30g of vitamin c as ive been told to be careful of kidney stones and such with even much lower doses. i appreciate the quick responses. pardon my spelling today my spell check isnt working

When I was planning it out, I figured I would be taking it every two hours overnight because I wouldn’t sleep. But in reality the first couple nights I slept most of the day. So in reality, I’ve been taking 2g doses every two hours total and maybe 10 to 15 g total a day. It’s water soluble so as long as you drink water it’s really not a big deal. But it will definitely give you the shits so get some Imodium. But I’ve detoxed many times and the only variable that’s different this time is the sodium ascorbate. This time is the vitamin C and this is the easiest detox I’ve ever had.

 

[pnillyg]

im so intrigued at how stable you seem going through this brutality. shout out to you homie. i feel like a you know what hesitating on this 15mg of OC a day...

 

[pnillyg]

i think its mainly because ive only ever CTd opiates and benzos and i want to try something different this time around. 7 years of this man im getting tired. SR-17 is interesting but i also dont like going outside the drs wheelhouse cause then they cant or dont like to help. ibogaine worked for me once and kinda another time but either way i end up back here :/ doc gave me butrans patches to try and he said it would be similar to the bermese method but i gave myself precip once as well and now i dont even consider bupe until 1-2 days later at minumum but he said i should be fine im wondering what to do. they're 20mcg/hr so 0.48g bupe a day but i also dont want a bupe dependance and fail that taper and then have to cold turkey that cause i jumped off 16mg of bupe once and i literally am traumatized from that

 

[NY2soFlo]

im so intrigued at how stable you seem going through this brutality. shout out to you homie. i feel like a you know what hesitating on this 15mg of OC a day...

Dude, I’ve had some detoxes that if I wasn’t locked in a facility, I would’ve killed myself. Detoxing where my stomach wouldn’t stop dry heaving, and they had to hook me up to things so that I could get food and liquid into me. all of that compounds how badly you feel, I’ll save you all the war stories.

but what I will say, is that every single one of those detoxes was using weaker compounds for less amounts of time so I went into this current detox expecting the worst. First it was oxycodone and just regular NYC heroin then it was fentanyl for about a year and now this is fentanyl for four years.

So to be completely honest, I’m a little hesitant to be optimistic right now. I’m still pissing totally hot for fentanyl that could mean that I’m still coming up and haven’t hit my peak in withdrawal yet or, I have but the vitamin C and the other things I’ve been doing have actually made a significant difference. That’s what I’m hoping for. Obviously time will tell but if I’m out of the woods by early next week – a 10 or 11 day detox then I will fully give props to vitamin C and black seed oil on top of the regular PRN comfort meds.

The only thing that’s making me optimistic is that yesterday and today I’ve had enough energy to hold my phone up and respond to these messages and do a little bit of work on my computer. The first three days I literally was incapacitated. And based on a long acting analog of fentanyl, I wouldn’t expect the full withdrawal to come until day four or five. So who knows but thanks for the support when this thread ends will have some good info out there for anybody who is using the same type of stuff I am there’s not a lot of info on it.

 

[NY2soFlo]

i think its mainly because ive only ever CTd opiates and benzos and i want to try something different this time around. 7 years of this man im getting tired. SR-17 is interesting but i also dont like going outside the drs wheelhouse cause then they cant or dont like to help. ibogaine worked for me once and kinda another time but either way i end up back here :/ doc gave me butrans patches to try and he said it would be similar to the bermese method but i gave myself precip once as well and now i dont even consider bupe until 1-2 days later at minumum but he said i should be fine im wondering what to do. they're 20mcg/hr so 0.48g bupe a day but i also dont want a bupe dependance and fail that taper and then have to cold turkey that cause i jumped off 16mg of bupe once and i literally am traumatized from that

Honestly, dude, the best advice I can give you is coming from what I just did. Go to a doctor and be 100% honest with them. Doctors are there to help you. Tell them exactly what you’re doing exactly how you’re feeling about it and exactly how much you want to have a normal life. A good doctor will give you a detox kit for Home.

And if they don’t want to then fuck them go to the next doctor. If you don’t mind me asking, where are you generally located?


Add vitamin C. Add a couple other over-the-counter supplements and just sack up. I was expecting to be climbing the walls and hallucinating and I’ve been pretty much chilling drinking Gatorade and having ice pops. Don’t get me wrong. It’s not a vacation and I’m fucking miserable but I know what detox can be and this ain’t it

 

[pnillyg]

bro one day we will chat about war stories. sometimes its nice to purge. and in response to the most recent message bro yes im speaking with a new doctor that im fully 100% transparent with and he prescribed me the whole pharmacy it feels lol. i hope you just biohacked the shit out of yourself and this vitamin c or whatever your doing just worked this time. i have faith that you may be wiggling your way out of the woods. you seem experienced as am i so idk i have a good feeling about this for you

 

[NY2soFlo]

bro one day we will chat about war stories. sometimes its nice to purge. and in response to the most recent message bro yes im speaking with a new doctor that im fully 100% transparent with and he prescribed me the whole pharmacy it feels lol. i hope you just biohacked the shit out of yourself and this vitamin c or whatever your doing just worked this time. i have faith that you may be wiggling your way out of the woods. you seem experienced as am i so idk i have a good feeling about this for you

Again, the only variable in my “war chest” against detox this time around was the sodium ascorbate ($14 on Amazon) , a.k.a. vitamin C, and black seed oil. Other than that, it’s been the same comfort PRN meds. This should’ve been my worst detox and it’s not. Also, I’ve been making a point to eat and drink more, which I never really did in the past. when I get advice like “drink more water” I kind of write it off, but there is something to be said about it, just treat your body well as many people have told me on here

I never even knew about the vitamin C thing until recently when I was preparing to do this, but apparently it’s been around for years. No doubt the government would prefer us to go on subs and methadone rather than use vitamin fucking c

 

[JennRose78]

ok i will comb through the thread again. yea ive seen some interesting methods using high dose vitamin c for acute withdrawls and is super interesting. never had much results but also scared to take 30g of vitamin c as ive been told to be careful of kidney stones and such with even much lower doses. i appreciate the quick responses. pardon my spelling today my spell check isnt working

I just came across a website where people were saying take a pretty large amount of Vitamin C and it's either stop WD or if you took it before you started WD it'd keep ya from feeling any WD at all. I never tried it but from what I've read I would recommend trying it.

 

[NY2soFlo]

I just came across a website where people were saying take a pretty large amount of Vitamin C and it's either stop WD or if you took it before you started WD it'd keep ya from feeling any WD at all. I never tried it but from what I've read I would recommend trying it.

I think I read this site that you’re talking about. It’s an independent site that some guy is really trying to push the vitamin C protocol on people and then it has literally hundreds of people recounting their experiences on how helpful it was. And granted I’m not out of the woods yet, but this is the only thing new I’ve added into my detox and it is 1000 times easier. For $15 on Amazon why the fuck not???

 

[pnillyg]

Again, the only variable in my “war chest” against detox this time around was the sodium ascorbate ($14 on Amazon) , a.k.a. vitamin C, and black seed oil. Other than that, it’s been the same comfort PRN meds. This should’ve been my worst detox and it’s not. Also, I’ve been making a point to eat and drink more, which I never really did in the past. when I get advice like “drink more water” I kind of write it off, but there is something to be said about it, just treat your body well as many people have told me on here

I never even knew about the vitamin C thing until recently when I was preparing to do this, but apparently it’s been around for years. No doubt the government would prefer us to go on subs and methadone rather than use vitamin fucking c

eating and drinking regardless of how you feel like if your nauseous or not or whatever is so incredibly underrated thats the only reason im not back ripping 500mgs a day. diet and exercise but not just diet like making sure im eating enough

 

[Allylbenzene]

What are the opioid mimetics Im using? Is that bad? ... But yes, vitamin C has to be the main variable here. Bc this is the easiest detox I’ve had. And I’ve detoxed from much less usesge, much less time using, and much milder compounds.
...
Tomorrow is day six maybe I’ll just cut everything down and rely on the vitamin C and eating and trying to move.

I meant the vitamin C and BSO. Yes, sunshine movement ftw.

You've even got other supportive tools for healing/repair like:
- aspirin (/sodium salicylate which is non-acidic)
- agmatine
- theanine

opioid options:
- myrrh (oil or CO2 extract, use capsules)
- eugenol from clove oil. Combo with myrrh for extra potentiation

And thanks on the BSO info. Any idea on dosing or overdosing? I’m currently taking 200mg extract am and pm. It’s an extract pill equivalent to 5% thyroquinine (idk). If it’s helpful, and I can take more. I want to. I figured Am and PM was a safe bet to start.

Sounds fine to me. You can always take more if you're feeling it.

 

[NY2soFlo]

eating and drinking regardless of how you feel like if your nauseous or not or whatever is so incredibly underrated thats the only reason im not back ripping 500mgs a day. diet and exercise but not just diet like making sure im eating enough

Of course. One of my worst detoxes I had some type of stomach issue and it took them three days to realize it. Because I didn’t have a sip of water or any food for three days all of the symptoms were just 10 times worse. It’s just like any other time in your life if you’re not hydrating and you’re not getting enough calories you’re just not gonna feel good. And detoxing as a time where you need everything you need to feel good.

FWIW- the sodium ascorbate blends super easy. I mix 3 doses into a large cup with the gatorlyte and some juice. Every couple hours a drink a third of it. If you’re nauseous, you need zofran (ondansetron)… that should be A1 in a detox kit. It will make you stop throwing up and dry heaving.

 

[NY2soFlo]

I meant the vitamin C and BSO. Yes, sunshine movement ftw.

You've even got other supportive tools for healing/repair like:
- aspirin (/sodium salicylate which is non-acidic)
- agmatine
- theanine

opioid options:
- myrrh (oil or CO2 extract, use capsules)
- eugenol from clove oil. Combo with myrrh for extra potentiation


Sounds fine to me. You can always take more if you're feeling it.

Ahh gotcha. Makes sense. If I’m up at 3am tonight when my paycheck comes in, I’m ordering the theanine same day delivery lol.

I’ll have to look into those opioid options that you mentioned I’ve literally never heard of any of them. I’ll do some research before. I just simply ask you to explain it lol


What do you think about my idea of cutting back the PRN meds? When I wake up in the morning after not taking them for a good 10 hours I actually feel OK. Most of the day I have no energy and that’s because I’m dosing them every six hours. So tomorrow I’m gonna cut everything in half and see if it makes a difference. Because if the vitamin C and all the other things are helping so much, there’s no reason to take all these meds to counter symptoms that I might not even be feeling… and if I can get my energy up thats the biggest thing. Thoughts?

 

[Allylbenzene]

Ahh gotcha. Makes sense. If I’m up at 3am tonight when my paycheck comes in, I’m ordering the theanine same day delivery lol.

I’ll have to look into those opioid options that you mentioned I’ve literally never heard of any of them. I’ll do some research before. I just simply ask you to explain it lol

I can put it another way -
Black seed (Nigella sativa) oil + myrrh oil + (low dose)clove oil + agmatine = "who needs regular opioids..."

One of the most currently well-known alternative drugs that has been extensively studied in the management of opioid dependence and methadone is thymoquinone, a pharmacologically active compound isolated from Nigella sativa. It also has potential chemical effects mimicking opioids, especially on the mechanisms of opioid dependency and tolerance.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7395189/

In ancient times, myrrh has been used as analgesics, which is possibly due to bioactive constituents present in them acting as pain relievers. Two sesquiterpenoid compounds, furanocudesma-1, 3-diene, and curzerene present have been reported to be acting on the receptors opioid in the central nervous system, bringing about anesthetic activity.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9672555/

Myrrh has been used as an analgesic since ancient times, and modern studies have found that the sesquiterpenes furanocudesma-1,3-diene and curzerene in myrrh can act on opioid receptors in the central nervous system and have analgesic activity, which can be blocked by morphine antagonist naloxone.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6749531/

These results extend our current knowledge of eugenol and confirm that it promotes significant antinociception against different mouse models of acute pain. The mechanism of action appears to involve the modulation of the opioid system and glutamatergic receptors (i.e., kainate and AMPA), and the inhibition of TNF-α.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22775297/

These results suggest that central opioid pathway participates in mediating the antinociceptive effects of eugenol.
http://www.kijob.or.kr/journal/article.php?code=63321

What do you think about my idea of cutting back the PRN meds? When I wake up in the morning after not taking them for a good 10 hours I actually feel OK. Most of the day I have no energy and that’s because I’m dosing them every six hours. So tomorrow I’m gonna cut everything in half and see if it makes a difference. Because if the vitamin C and all the other things are helping so much, there’s no reason to take all these meds to counter symptoms that I might not even be feeling… and if I can get my energy up thats the biggest thing. Thoughts?

Whats PRN stand for? I guess you mean the clonidine, benzo, anti-histamine? (was there ambien too?)
From what you've said, halving the dose sounds reasonable. In the back of my mind when I first saw what meds you were using I thought thats a lot/potent knockout stuff but thought maybe it's called for in that scenario. But from what you're saying maybe its OTT.

 

[NY2soFlo]

I can put it another way -
Black seed oil + myrrh oil + (low dose)clove oil + agmatine = "who needs regular opiate drugs LOL"








Whats PRN stand for? I guess you mean the clonidine, benzo, anti-histamine? (was there ambien too?)
From what you've said, halving the dose sounds reasonable. In the back of my mind when I first saw what meds you were using I thought thats a lot/potent knockout stuff but thought maybe it's called for in that scenario. But from what you're saying maybe its OTT.

I can put it another way -
Black seed oil + myrrh oil + (low dose)clove oil + agmatine = "who needs regular opiate drugs LOL"







Whats PRN stand for? I guess you mean the clonidine, benzo, anti-histamine? (was there ambien too?)
From what you've said, halving the dose sounds reasonable. In the back of my mind when I first saw what meds you were using I thought thats a lot/potent knockout stuff but thought maybe it's called for in that scenario. But from what you're saying maybe its OTT.

Ok I like the simplified version lol. Would adding all that together extend the WD through? If I’m using this combo to occupy my opiate receptors, it seems like it’s kind of a natural bupe… just extending the process. Or am I understanding that wrong?

Also PRN (idk what it stands for lol)… but in detoxes those are just your meds. Standard comfort and healing meds. I mentioned what I was prescribed earlier, but the last few days this is what my am dose looks like:

1500mg tyrosine
400mg passionflower extract
200mg black seed oil

Then I drink some vitamin C and 15 mins later I take the meds:

.1 mg clonidine (most helpful)
5mg valium
1mg klonopin
25mg hydroxyzine (I was always given 50 in the past)
1mg tizanidine (muscle relaxer… it’s a 4mg pill but I don’t need it and that really potentates the knock out)

So tomorrow am the otcs will stay the same, but the meds will be halved. And we’ll see how it affects energy.

 

[pnillyg]

I can put it another way -
Black seed (Nigella sativa) oil + myrrh oil + (low dose)clove oil + agmatine = "who needs regular opioids..."










Whats PRN stand for? I guess you mean the clonidine, benzo, anti-histamine? (was there ambien too?)
From what you've said, halving the dose sounds reasonable. In the back of my mind when I first saw what meds you were using I thought thats a lot/potent knockout stuff but thought maybe it's called for in that scenario. But from what you're saying maybe its OTT.

my mind is blow going to be researching this for sure. curious about this big time

 

[NY2soFlo]

Also worth noting, I took all those doses in detoxes weighing 150lbs… and I’m 220 right now. So Im not concerned, more just looking to explore what’s going on.

 

[Allylbenzene]

Ok I like the simplified version lol. Would adding all that together extend the WD through? If I’m using this combo to occupy my opiate receptors, it seems like it’s kind of a natural bupe… just extending the process. Or am I understanding that wrong?

Myrrh doesn't occupy the infamous "mu" opioid receptor that traditional opioid drugs do (eg morphine, fent, buprenorphine etc).
Theres 3 main opioid receptors. Myrrh interacts with the others.
Idk which receptors eugenol interacts with.
btw eugenol is from cloves. You can also chew on a clove or make clove tea.

If you want to explore other psychoactive oils...frankincense , peppermint