Heroin Heroin, in so much pain

[dyingperson]

So last night I bought like 4 or 5 little bags of h, and I ended up in so much pain. Not eating and not being able to stand up definitely made it worse. But I was trying to walk around the house and couldn't stand up and basically had to crawl around the house trying to get ice and water. I finally made it to bed and I still cant barely walk this morning, I'm in a lot of pain and am definitely going have to lay in bed all day, but is this shit going to get better? I should definitely try to eat and luckily I was able to get a big thing of water on my night stand last night, but i want to take a shower and clean up (and uhh, not do this shit again and start getting my life together). I feel like I got hit by a car. I did save the best bag for today though just incase it helps. I moved into a group home recently cause my parents made me, and I've just been fucking up maybe it's the environment, not eating, drinking almost daily and wasting my money getting high. Also theres almost no hot water or water pressure so I haven't even really been showering or washing my clothes. After last night I'm ready to push through this shit and stop drinking daily and borrowing money, and I want to clean up the floors and house which are sticky and disgusting. I hope I dont get kicked out or my parents make me go to rehab. Cause they check my bank account but I really dont want to feel like this ever again and want to work on getting out of here rather than just giving up and doing this, everyone gets high, the place is gross, it's too expensive, people steal eachpthers food, and the amenities like the shower suck. I think it made me kind of just give up instead of working to get out.

Tldr: kind of ranting. But I have little experience with heroin and am in a lot of pain where I can barely walk, when is this going to go away? I didnt sleep either, but I want to hurry up and get up and start getting my shit together.

 

[justme6263]

Why is it you're in pain? I haven't understood. Is it bad H or are you withdrawing and the H wasn't enough or of high enough quality?

 

[TheHolyRedCow]

i believe wirhdrawals

 

[dyingperson]

Why is it you're in pain? I haven't understood. Is it bad H or are you withdrawing and the H wasn't enough or of high enough quality?

I honestly dont know. Maybe it was just cause I couldn't stand up and kept falling down, I'm concerned in bruises and feel like I got hit by a car.

 

[justme6263]

I honestly dont know. Maybe it was just cause I couldn't stand up and kept falling down, I'm concerned in bruises and feel like I got hit by a car.

Honestly its a strange case - I have no clue what it could be. Its definitely legit H? I am presuming here but I guess you have a H habit?

 

[dyingperson]

Honestly its a strange case - I have no clue what it could be. Its definitely legit H? I am presuming here but I guess you have a H habit?

I can't really afford an h habit, I feel like I used a lot ($100 worth) though, use it like once a week. I smoked a bit of hard too probably 20 worth split with someone, but I don't think that affected me. I think it was more that I couldn't stand up, I looked like Leonardo DiCaprio in wolf of wallstreet when hes crawling around the house trying to get in his car and shit except I was trying to get drinks of water, make ice, and smoke cigarettes lmao. Wtf, at one point I decided scooting around like a dog was the best option smh.

 

[justme6263]

I can't really afford an h habit, I feel like I used a lot ($100 worth) though, use it like once a week. I smoked a bit of hard too probably 20 worth split with someone, but I don't think that affected me. I think it was more that I couldn't stand up, I looked like Leonardo DiCaprio in wolf of wallstreet when hes crawling around the house trying to get in his car and shit except I was trying to get drinks of water, make ice, and smoke cigarettes lmao. Wtf, at one point I decided scooting around like a dog was the best option smh.

Honestly its a mystery to me then man - I wouldn't go to that supplier again imo. Sorry I can't be of more help mate.

PS as a harm reduction forum - once a week seems ok for now, it was for me for a couple years, then it was twice a week, etc etc until you have a habit and you don't realise until its too late. Also, we can never afford a H habit (financially here).

You might be different to most people but most aren't. Sorry I can't help with your original question and sorry if I've come across preachy. I'm sure its stuff you already know.

EDIT: THIS IS ALL MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not speaking for every else.

 

[NY2soFlo]

PS as a harm reduction forum - once a week seems ok for now, it was for me for a couple years, then it was twice a week, etc etc until you have a habit and you don't realise until its too late. Also, we can never afford a H habit (financially here).

This is really everything worth knowing here when it comes to chipping or using here or there. Anytime I've gotten clean (including now) my brain constantly starts suggesting that I could "get just a bag to do at night, that way I'll sleep"... or "just get one, enjoy it and be done".

I can promise and plan and do my best to manipulate the situation so that it will be just a "one off" day of using. It always seems possible. But, the record shows it's just not. Never once, actually. Sure I can do it once, twice, even 10 times over a few months- but each time I "successfully" do it, just reinforces the idea that its okay and that I can do it again in a week or so. As long as there is the chance of using again, it ALWAYS ultimately returns to daily using and a physical dependence. And that can last for a month or 5 years. If you think you can successfully do H or fent on occasion, you just haven't gone long enough.

Highly recommend skipping all the BS and just get clean. Or, go back out and make things worse enough until you really want to be clean. Unfortunately, I needed the latter (like most of us). Luckily I stayed alive long enough to get there! Hate to be dark but it's what it is!

 

[meatpaste]

I am trying to understand if you were hurting to begin with, or if the H itself caused the pain. And if it did, did it cause the pain immediately, or hours later like in WD?

 

[Halif2]

but is this shit going to get better?

It's hard to answer this or offer help when your post doesn't give any background or context to what is happening. Try to include some details about your situation and then people can give better answers.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

This is really everything worth knowing here when it comes to chipping or using here or there.

You are missing a substantial amount of other people's experience. There is a class of opiate users that have been documented in the relevant literature to be long-term (I'm talking a decade plus) chippers / pleasure users without ever once becoming either physically dependent or psychologically addicted. They are NOT a negligible outlier minority as is commonly supposed, and I have come to know a few of them through my research myself.

I can promise and plan and do my best to manipulate the situation

If you feel as though you have to consciously 'manipulate' yourself in order to keep your consumption in check, you are NOT in fact in the right mindset for chipping / casual use.
I learned this the hardest way.

As long as there is the chance of using again, it ALWAYS ultimately returns to daily using and a physical dependence.

See above. Depends on mindset.

Do you REALLY only want it as an occasional treat, in which case you will not constantly desire it, OR do you constantly want it but are trying to force yourself into only using it as a treat.
THIS is where the difference lies between so-called 'successful' use and the supposedly 'inevitable' slip-back into addiction.

If the latter of those two scenarios applies, DON'T EVEN TRY casual use.
You WILL go back to old habits, not because the drug has some arcane power over you that somehow makes you do things against your own will, but because you never stopped being highly motivated to use your drug.

 

[NY2soFlo]

You are missing a substantial amount of other people's experience. There is a class of opiate users that have been documented in the relevant literature to be long-term (I'm talking a decade plus) chippers / pleasure users without ever once becoming either physically dependent or psychologically addicted. They are NOT a negligible outlier minority as is commonly supposed, and I have come to know a few of them through my research myself.

If you feel as though you have to consciously 'manipulate' yourself in order to keep your consumption in check, you are NOT in fact in the right mindset for chipping / casual use.
I learned this the hardest way.

See above. Depends on mindset.

Do you REALLY only want it as an occasional treat, in which case you will not constantly desire it, OR do you constantly want it but are trying to force yourself into only using it as a treat.
THIS is where the difference lies between so-called 'successful' use and the supposedly 'inevitable' slip-back into addiction.

If the latter of those two scenarios applies, DON'T EVEN TRY casual use.
You WILL go back to old habits, not because the drug has some arcane power over you that somehow makes you do things against your own will, but because you never stopped being highly motivated to use your drug.

What part of this entire message suggests I think I can chip? lol. I'm not the OP here, I was giving him my experience on chipping, which I pretty clearly stated I CANNOT do.

And regardless of how big the "successful casual heroin user" community is, for every one of them there are 1,000 who can't (dead and alive). So, based on what the OP had mentioned it seemed like a good idea to discourage the idea as possible. After all, we're all going to do whatever we want regardless of what someone says on BL. From my experience and a HR stance, I will always discourage the idea anyone can chip successfully. If OP deems the risk worthwhile- to research on his own- so be it.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

What part of this entire message suggests I think I can chip? lol. I'm not the OP here, I was giving him my experience on chipping, which I pretty clearly stated I CANNOT do.

And regardless of how big the "successful casual heroin user" community is, for every one of them there are 1,000 who can't (dead and alive). So, based on what the OP had mentioned it seemed like a good idea to discourage the idea as possible. After all, we're all going to do whatever we want regardless of what someone says on BL. From my experience and a HR stance, I will always discourage the idea anyone can chip successfully. If OP deems the risk worthwhile- to research on his own- so be it.

I simply think we ought to reflect reality. And YES, in reality, many people can and do use opiates responsibly.

For myself, the absolute doctrine that was promoted to me that NOBODY, EVER, could use opiates in a non-addictive way, played a large part in my addiction. If somebody told me that using opiates didn't make me a pariah, it would have helped.

 

[ashman1]

So last night I bought like 4 or 5 little bags of h, and I ended up in so much pain. Not eating and not being able to stand up definitely made it worse. But I was trying to walk around the house and couldn't stand up and basically had to crawl around the house trying to get ice and water. I finally made it to bed and I still cant barely walk this morning, I'm in a lot of pain and am definitely going have to lay in bed all day, but is this shit going to get better? I should definitely try to eat and luckily I was able to get a big thing of water on my night stand last night, but i want to take a shower and clean up (and uhh, not do this shit again and start getting my life together). I feel like I got hit by a car. I did save the best bag for today though just incase it helps. I moved into a group home recently cause my parents made me, and I've just been fucking up maybe it's the environment, not eating, drinking almost daily and wasting my money getting high. Also theres almost no hot water or water pressure so I haven't even really been showering or washing my clothes. After last night I'm ready to push through this shit and stop drinking daily and borrowing money, and I want to clean up the floors and house which are sticky and disgusting. I hope I dont get kicked out or my parents make me go to rehab. Cause they check my bank account but I really dont want to feel like this ever again and want to work on getting out of here rather than just giving up and doing this, everyone gets high, the place is gross, it's too expensive, people steal eachpthers food, and the amenities like the shower suck. I think it made me kind of just give up instead of working to get out.

Tldr: kind of ranting. But I have little experience with heroin and am in a lot of pain where I can barely walk, when is this going to go away? I didnt sleep either, but I want to hurry up and get up and start getting my shit together.

Did we ever figure this out? Cotton fever, bad dope?

(Anyone know a forum in BL here that can help me figure where to in Thailand? I dint wanna say what for but it's ovious)

BUT BACK TO YOUR ISSUE, i once got piwder when it first hit California and after living in east coast so lobg, it was,awesome. But it changed. I suspect bacterial infection cause i got horrible cotton fever everytime i injected but i think it was more to it.

It smelled like vinegar, gray like much powdered dope, but it just put you to sleep with zero wuphoria whatsoever so i think it was 90% fentanyl with xylaxine possible (the instant sleep) , and you'd want or need more in just hours just to feel like shit, not good but nor total withdrawls). I was on 60mg of m ethadone whoch blocked 100% of tar but minute i moved back the to ATL and b4 they knocked all of the places off fulton industrial down, it was awesome cause no xylaxine or tranq. It was all H and worst case, a little fent added which in my opinion, heroin woth not to much fent is the very best as ot punches through methadone.

After 5 days I f inly tgat in Puerto Rico and only sniffing it, i was able to replace my methadone with $15 worth a day, same exact price but H i actually have enrrgy to be productive

SORRY NOT MEANING TO HIJACK THIS, I'M RAMBLING BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT COUKD BE A DIFFERENT OPIATE YOU LIKE OASSED OFF AS H OR LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO ME, COTTON FEVER BACTERIA CONTAMINATED MANY GRAMS.

worst part of carribean, excellent grl & boi/dogfood zero people sold grams as far as i saw after 1 month visiting. It was only sold by the point and when you get a gringo tax of 100%, it's not sustainable. At least it's the safest i ever felt buying in an open air market. The local PD and the gangs have unspoken rules cause the pueblo is across the street so RIGHT next to most the wealthy neighborhood on tge entire island. (Only risk is if American Federal Agency like DEA feels like ruining their day which everyone raided is replaced by sun up the very next day, less than 24 hrs later, just shows how integrated the corrupt local cops are into these gangs

I simply think we ought to reflect reality. And YES, in reality, many people can and do use opiates responsibly.

For myself, the absolute doctrine that was promoted to me that NOBODY, EVER, could use opiates in a non-addictive way, played a large part in my addiction. If somebody told me that using opiates didn't make me a pariah, it would have helped.

)

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Needing to scoot around on the floor because you can't walk does not sound like any type of opioid intoxication at all.

I mean, I've had some bad double vision & things on heroin & various opioids, but never once have I not been able to stand up or needed to crawl around on the floor to get up.


Sounds like whatever you got wasn't actually an opioid or H at all. And there's no telling what you actually put into your body. Which is just another reason the drug war needs to be stopped, so that people don't accidentally poison themselves with something they think is something else.

 

[Dextro .45]

100% genuine unadulterated pharmaceutical grade Diacetylmorphine / Diamorphine (Heroin) 5/10/30/100/500mg ampoules for IV/IM/SC injection …….for YOU would be an analgesic god send of euphoric pain relief

Go to a pain specialist and get a script for Methadose 40mg tablets X 2-3 daily as needed or whatever you tolerance is

Dilaudid (Hydromorphone) is also VERY highly respectable and desirable…..in pharmaceutical vials of pure API compounding powder. Branded Dilaudid 8mg IR tables are staple…..and in Canada …..the “Red Rockets” - Hydromorphone-Contin 30mg XR in fat red capsule loaded with XR beads

Sandoz Canada
Hydromorphone HP FORT
10ml glass vial - 1,000mg of Hydromorphone
100mg / per ml

An AMAZINGLY HIGHLY CONCENTRATED & POTENT formula of IV HM …Fuuuuuck

I get 160 Methadone 25mg tablets monthly ….plus Ritalin and other goodies

Oxycodone IR would be the ultimate compound for a naive patient or low dose tolerant

Oral Methadone is Loooooooong acting 24h half life and is VERY potent full mu-opioid agonist like H, Oxy, Dilaudid, etc

 

[Kushman3000]

100% genuine unadulterated pharmaceutical grade Diacetylmorphine / Diamorphine (Heroin) 5/10/30/100/500mg ampoules for IV/IM/SC injection …….for YOU would be an analgesic god send of euphoric pain relief

Go to a pain specialist and get a script for Methadose 40mg tablets X 2-3 daily as needed or whatever you tolerance is

Dilaudid (Hydromorphone) is also VERY highly replaceable and desirable…..in pharmaceutical vials of pure API compounding powder. Branded Dilaudid 8mg IR tables are staple…..and in Canada …..the “Red Rockets” - Hydromorphone-Contin 30mg XR in fat red capsule loaded with XR beads

Sandoz Canada
Hydromorphone HP FORT
10ml glass vial - 1,000mg of Hydromorphone
100mg / per ml

An AMAZINGLY HIGHLY CONCENTRATED & POTENT formula of IV HM …Fuuuuuck

I get 160 Methadone 25mg tablets monthly ….plus Ritalin and other goodies

Oxycodone IR would be the ultimate compound for a naive patient or low dose tolerant

Oral Methadone is Loooooooong acting 24h half life and is VERY potent full mu-opioid agonist like H, Oxy, Dilaudid, etc

I use to take over 10 of those giants 40mg methadose that were made to mix with water but I would just eat them, I had the craziest shits when I could finally shit it felt like a baseball coming out my ass it was so fuking painful. I would give this lady 200 bucks she would throw me 200 methadose. I also use to get what we called morphine lollipops but they were really fentanyl. They were called ACTIQ lollipops. I mean what better then a opiate lollipop they should be sold everywhere and regulated. All drugs should be legal and sold in pharmacy in small quantities for personal use.

 

[Dextro .45]

That’s AMAZING price….. 200 bucks for 200 Methadose 40mg cross scored white tablets …..fuuuuck, id grab all the time

100 gram jars of Methadone powder ……like 4-6 in vault and a massive dark glass jug of API compounding Methadone mixed with tang orange 10mg/per ml

That massive jug plus the 5 jars of 100 grams Methadone would be a serious score……PLUS, many, many sealed bottles of 2mg Xanax bars, Valium 10mg, Klonopin 2mg, Ativan 2mg, Lyrica 300mg, Dexedrine Spansule 15mg, Adderall XR 30mg, Ritalin 20mg IR, Methylphenidate 100mg XR and 80mg XR

Opioids, Amphetamines, Benzodiazepines, Pregabalin, etc……massive quantities of sealed factory bottles and pure API compounding powder

 

[paranoid android]

That sounds like tranq or somwething not a opiate

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

That sounds like tranq or somwething not a opiate

Yeah, might of just been xylazine or maybe even a benzo.

I could maybe see some one having trouble standing if they just took way too much of a benzo or a blood pressure lowering medication.


But shit, I use to exercise & work out on heroin & tramadol. Taking long ass walks with headphones on was one of my favorite activities on them,
So whatever OP had was absolutely not heroin or any opioid of any kind. Impossible. Opioids do not cause whatever effects OP is describing, but accidentally overdosing on other drugs or poisons might.


Yay for another casualty of the drug war!
People could just be buying what they want & know what's in it & know that they're safe, but nope! Not in our puritanical shit-stain of a world we live in. Actually I can't even say "world" cause drugs are legal in many countries. "Drug wars" seem to be bigger in Western ones though. Hmm I wonder why.