Opioids Imminent 7OH ban: what about MGM 15 ?

[Josephine_Morphine]

I lost control over this stuff, and used it daily for too long, I ended up on Suboxone. I take responsibility though and recognize it's my own fault and I don't wish for it to be banned. I'm only taking 1mg twice daily of Suboxone, but I still use 7OH a few days a week because I have chronic pain and anhedonia/ feel like shit all the time. So why not? Until it's actually unavailable , I'll always want to have some of this around. Not sure how to feel about that. It's hard on the days I force myself to take breaks. Part of me will be relieved when it's gone, but it's a very small part.

I just sold something I didn't need and have enough to get another half gram, but I really can't afford it. I'll probably end up buying more though because it won't be available for much longer and that is scary for me. I got myself re addicted to benzos this past year as well. Lots of bad choices, but I can only handle SO much anxiety

How is this upcoming ban effecting you guys? Is this anyone's drug of choice at the moment? On top of the federal ban, there is an bill to ban BOTH 7OH and Kratom leaf in my State ! .. though I am confident I can buy leaf in KY if I wish to drive an hour or so....I'm already thinking "where can I get some Oxy or a substitute" when this stuff does go away for good.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Kratom? (It's not an RC but...)

 

[Josephine_Morphine]

Kratom? (It's not an RC but...)

No, not kratom. I'm searching for the name of it.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

No, not kratom. I'm searching for the name of it.

ah yeah, I skimmed your post and didn't notice you mention kratom in it
...hope you find some relief

 

[Josephine_Morphine]

MGM 15 is what I was thinking of. Apparently, some are doing some research with this drug because of the 7OH ban

Orally Active Opioid μ/δ Dual Agonist MGM-16, a Derivative of the Indole Alkaloid Mitragynine, Exhibits Potent Antiallodynic Effect on Neuropathic Pain in Mice - PMC

(E)-Methyl 2-((2S,3S,7aS,12bS)-3-ethyl-7a-hydroxy-8-methoxy-1,2,3,4,6,7,7a,12b-octahydroindolo[2,3-a]quinolizin-2-yl)-3-methoxyacrylate (7-hydroxymitragynine), a main active constituent of the traditional herbal medicine Mitragyna speciosa, is an ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[thurston]

Don't go looking for oxys, you'll end up with fake pills and od.

 

[extremepop]

I lost control over this stuff, and used it daily for too long, I ended up on Suboxone. I take responsibility though and recognize it's my own fault and I don't wish for it to be banned. I'm only taking 1mg twice daily of Suboxone, but I still use 7OH a few days a week because I have chronic pain and anhedonia/ feel like shit all the time. So why not? Until it's actually unavailable , I'll always want to have some of this around. Not sure how to feel about that. It's hard on the days I force myself to take breaks. Part of me will be relieved when it's gone, but it's a very small part.

I just sold something I didn't need and have enough to get another half gram, but I really can't afford it. I'll probably end up buying more though because it won't be available for much longer and that is scary for me. I got myself re addicted to benzos this past year as well. Lots of bad choices, but I can only handle SO much anxiety

How is this upcoming ban effecting you guys? Is this anyone's drug of choice at the moment? On top of the federal ban, there is an bill to ban BOTH 7OH and Kratom leaf in my State ! .. though I am confident I can buy leaf in KY if I wish to drive an hour or so....I'm already thinking "where can I get some Oxy or a substitute" when this stuff does go away for good.

I have had the same experience as you with 7-OH. Definitely a “me” issue, as I always seem to have with opioids. I let it get way out of hand, living life paycheck to paycheck, until I recently lost my job… I was making a decent amount of money as well (Pharmaceutical Chemist), and yet I still ended up completely broke. I spent easily over 10-15k on this stuff this year. The ultra-short half life, and rapid tolerance doesn’t lend itself to being a “functional” opioid to me.

I just now had to create a new bluelight account, but my previous account would show my multi-decade long issues with drugs, especially opioids. Therefore, this was definitely my own fault, but I do completely understand the relief you would feel with a ban. Unfortunately, I would just start making my own and be back to square one. Taking the cost of the drug out of the equation wouldn’t matter, as I would still have other issues. 7-OH causes me to be massively unproductive, lazy, and gave me way too much brain fog for my liking in comparison to other opioids/ates. I swear I lost 60 IQ points while that stuff was in effect…

I certainly miss good ol’ fashioned heroin as it left me with a productive glow throughout the day without constant redosing. It was a drug I could really manage well, and felt great. I finished college and was a really good worker. Unfortunately, that ship has long since sailed…

I have started performing daily “self-assay” with MGM-15 for about the last month. It has been a breath of fresh air in comparison to 7-OH. It lasts a good 8ish hours, and no withdrawals for over 12 hours (easily 14). I don’t have the urge to redose, and get a nice warmth/sense of wellbeing, that leaves me productive and clear headed. It definitely doesn’t have the “rushy” euphoria of 7-OH, but I actually like this natural warmth much better. It is also much cheaper for me, as I am not constantly redosing all day. This is definitely a winner for those of us with substance abuse issues, and is performing much better for me than suboxone or methadone ever could, all while actually making me feel pretty good. I hope that this stuff sticks around, at least it’s here while I perform the grueling task of searching for a new job…

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

I have had the same experience as you with 7-OH. Definitely a “me” issue, as I always seem to have with opioids. I let it get way out of hand, living life paycheck to paycheck, until I recently lost my job… I was making a decent amount of money as well (Pharmaceutical Chemist), and yet I still ended up completely broke. I spent easily over 10-15k on this stuff this year. The ultra-short half life, and rapid tolerance doesn’t lend itself to being a “functional” opioid to me.

I just now had to create a new bluelight account, but my previous account would show my multi-decade long issues with drugs, especially opioids. Therefore, this was definitely my own fault, but I do completely understand the relief you would feel with a ban. Unfortunately, I would just start making my own and be back to square one. Taking the cost of the drug out of the equation wouldn’t matter, as I would still have other issues. 7-OH causes me to be massively unproductive, lazy, and gave me way too much brain fog for my liking in comparison to other opioids/ates. I swear I lost 60 IQ points while that stuff was in effect…

I certainly miss good ol’ fashioned heroin as it left me with a productive glow throughout the day without constant redosing. It was a drug I could really manage well, and felt great. I finished college and was a really good worker. Unfortunately, that ship has long since sailed…

I have started performing daily “self-assay” with MGM-15 for about the last month. It has been a breath of fresh air in comparison to 7-OH. It lasts a good 8ish hours, and no withdrawals for over 12 hours (easily 14). I don’t have the urge to redose, and get a nice warmth/sense of wellbeing, that leaves me productive and clear headed. It definitely doesn’t have the “rushy” euphoria of 7-OH, but I actually like this natural warmth much better. It is also much cheaper for me, as I am not constantly redosing all day. This is definitely a winner for those of us with substance abuse issues, and is performing much better for me than suboxone or methadone ever could, all while actually making me feel pretty good. I hope that this stuff sticks around, at least it’s here while I perform the grueling task of searching for a new job…

Wow the way you describe it as if its oxycodone or something. Sorry to hear you lost your job lol. I'm glad I saw a news piece complaining about it and demanding for it's ban because I know exactly what would happen to me if I felt it--probably. Is it really that good though?

 

[extremepop]

Wow the way you describe it as if its oxycodone or something. Sorry to hear you lost your job lol. I'm glad I saw a news piece complaining about it and demanding for it's ban because I know exactly what would happen to me if I felt it--probably. Is it really that good though?

I wouldn’t say it is quite on oxycodone level, but it is definitely an opioid. I strongly disagree with a ban for one vital reason: A user cannot overdose on 7-OH, or MGM-15. There seems to be less health related issues with 7-OH/MGM-15 than there are with kratom. My guess is that it is because these compounds are just acting on opioid receptors, and they do not have to be processed by the liver; Two things that kratom leaf definitely can’t claim.

These compounds can be vital tools for those with pain, substance abuse, and even some mental health issues (although I would probably advise that this be a last resort). There are obviously issues with being addicted or dependent to these substances, but these are much safer alternatives than what is already flooding our streets.

But to answer your question, yes it is pretty good. About on par with hydrocodone with a low tolerance. They are definitely a good legal opioid, and MGM-15 has been the best maintenance drug that I have found, besides when Heroin was cheap and plentiful. The half life is the best length for a maintenance drug that still gives you that buzz, without being too long like methadone/subs, and not too short like 7-OH, Dilaudid, or Oxycodone.

 

[Born2rideSRH]

Thank you ALL sooooooo much for sharing all this info, as im fresh new and went from my last dose of 7-oh this morning and had to switch to (well honestly as stated already, when i seen the price of the mgm-15, i COULDNT walk outta there without TRYING AT LEAST ONCE LOL) and hence EXACTLY WHY im back in the ONLY drug forum ON THE WORLD id ever even consider (but OF COURSE I LOVE BLUELIGHT, practically a lifelong member by this point behind the sheets, keeping to myself) and F.Y.I. theres a VERRRRRY contradictory story posted about a dude on here says he took mgm-15 or possibly mgm-16 and overdosed on it twice and had to be hit with narcan the OP claimed to have went through.. although theres extra factors, as in he starts by saying the first overdose he was mixing it with benzos n alcohol (SO OF COURSE HE PROB O.D.'D) BUTTTT.... SAYS HE TOOK IT BY ITSELF AFTERWARDS, IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY if it had to only do with the fact that first time maybe was only due to benzo and alcohol added, and says he confirmed himself that on ONLY mgm-15/16 hard to be certain WTF OP really has been getting AND i wanna def add the fact he wouldnt say the dosages at all, nor really explain where he sourced it, and wouldnt really specify if it was maybe 15 or 16 when he was asked directly in the follow up comments the community started asking him concerned for this guys well being mostly and so im assuming he maybe doesnt really WANT to disclose ALL details it seems, as WEVE ALLLLLL BEEN THERE... when your still in the shit or falling back into your old shit..... The last thing most of us wanna do is play 21 questions about our issues, we only want answers.. or BETTER MORE INFINITE DRUGS lmfao... BUT HEY, MGM15/16 I DONT GIVE A FINE F, ITS HELPED KEEP ME OFF FENT, AND ALL OTHER DRUGS. STARTED WITH KRATOM ALONE AND WAS FINE ON JUST A FEW CAPSULES DAILY FOR 8 MONTHS SOLID! Till the plant matter started really not agreeing with what my stomach was wanting IN IT... soooo.. hence what originally got me so in love with 7-oh, cuz i never took more than like 20mgs per day, i was prob maxing at like.. 30mgs twice a day on 7-oh at my WORST lol so i THANK GOD sofar been maintaining decent tolerance over myself and consumption with it all these days. After all.. im not exactly trying to really even feel any high (i got mary for that) im just wanting the solution to keep my brain from wanting opiates EVER AGAIN and sofar... 7-oh, MIT, and now my first night trying 10mgs of mgm-15 and loving it sofar, already wanting to try taking half another lol but not gonna dare let myself as i KNOW DAMN WELL thats the old addict me thinking THOSE thoughts. Anyways whats everone think, is 10mgs a baby dose, or should i still be damn careful as the lab results claim it to be a full antagonist not just a partial one like 7-oh anyways, and also paired with the other OP's claims on the other post about overdosing on mgm?? Im gonna stay on the cautious side for the first MANY days i think lol (just to be SAFE n all that good jive lmao)

 

[Jankiez]

Sad that it’s getting banned. I been on 7oh for the past month or so and I have had about 100 tabs of oxy sitting around the whole time. 7oh has helped me not even think about the oxy, I been taking maybe 60mg or less total of 7oh a day. But this is the longest I have been off of oxy in a VERY LONG TIME! I know 7oh isn’t good in the long run, but it’s working to keep me away from even popping the oxy which I’ve always had a problem with.

 

[ak2013]

I lost control over this stuff, and used it daily for too long, I ended up on Suboxone. I take responsibility though and recognize it's my own fault and I don't wish for it to be banned. I'm only taking 1mg twice daily of Suboxone, but I still use 7OH a few days a week because I have chronic pain and anhedonia/ feel like shit all the time. So why not? Until it's actually unavailable , I'll always want to have some of this around. Not sure how to feel about that. It's hard on the days I force myself to take breaks. Part of me will be relieved when it's gone, but it's a very small part.

I just sold something I didn't need and have enough to get another half gram, but I really can't afford it. I'll probably end up buying more though because it won't be available for much longer and that is scary for me. I got myself re addicted to benzos this past year as well. Lots of bad choices, but I can only handle SO much anxiety

How is this upcoming ban effecting you guys? Is this anyone's drug of choice at the moment? On top of the federal ban, there is an bill to ban BOTH 7OH and Kratom leaf in my State ! .. though I am confident I can buy leaf in KY if I wish to drive an hour or so....I'm already thinking "where can I get some Oxy or a substitute" when this stuff does go away for good.

MGM-15 (if it stays legal) is a good substitute. I know some guys in Florida where they banned 7OH that are using it with good results. That said, be careful with MGM. Unlike 7OH, you CAN overdose on MGM. IIRC they recommend about 1/4 the dose of 7OH for MGM

 

[Josephine_Morphine]

It was a. way too strong for me, pinned my pupils, it kicked my ass with not much euphoria b. takes three hours to kick in. I had bought a 82%7OH/10% MGM-15 mixture from KD and it had hot spots. Only drugs I've ever been scared of enough to just toss into the trash. Mixing it with 7OH makes no sense. 7 hits fast and then goes away. While the MGM won't kick in for hours

 

[Mycophile]

It was a. way too strong for me, pinned my pupils, it kicked my ass with not much euphoria b. takes three hours to kick in. I had bought a 82%7OH/10% MGM-15 mixture from KD and it had hot spots. Only drugs I've ever been scared of enough to just toss into the trash. Mixing it with 7OH makes no sense. 7 hits fast and then goes away. While the MGM won't kick in for hours

Are you just talking about MGM here? I've never tried that or any of these. I stick to plain leaf and regular extracts like OPMS black but I won't touch 7-OH. But what do you mean by "hot spots" and what about it scared you so much?

And everyone else says this stuff is going to be banned but I just hope they don't touch plain leaf and regular extracts. I'll fight to the death for that shit. That stuff is the best.

 

[Infamous1k917@]

Wow the way you describe it as if its oxycodone or something. Sorry to hear you lost your job lol. I'm glad I saw a news piece complaining about it and demanding for it's ban because I know exactly what would happen to me if I felt it--probably. Is it really that good though?

Yes in my opinion its better than oxycodone. Ive been doing it for about 4 months now and I can still take a dose at about 4 pm and still wake up feeling it.
No shit. It lasts not quite as long as methadone but close, and the intensity is definitely as good as oxycodone if not way better. I've even tried a roxy 30mg not pressed while on this mgm15 and the roxy didnt do shit. If that tells you anything.

 

[Infamous1k917@]

Thank you ALL sooooooo much for sharing all this info, as im fresh new and went from my last dose of 7-oh this morning and had to switch to (well honestly as stated already, when i seen the price of the mgm-15, i COULDNT walk outta there without TRYING AT LEAST ONCE LOL) and hence EXACTLY WHY im back in the ONLY drug forum ON THE WORLD id ever even consider (but OF COURSE I LOVE BLUELIGHT, practically a lifelong member by this point behind the sheets, keeping to myself) and F.Y.I. theres a VERRRRRY contradictory story posted about a dude on here says he took mgm-15 or possibly mgm-16 and overdosed on it twice and had to be hit with narcan the OP claimed to have went through.. although theres extra factors, as in he starts by saying the first overdose he was mixing it with benzos n alcohol (SO OF COURSE HE PROB O.D.'D) BUTTTT.... SAYS HE TOOK IT BY ITSELF AFTERWARDS, IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY if it had to only do with the fact that first time maybe was only due to benzo and alcohol added, and says he confirmed himself that on ONLY mgm-15/16 hard to be certain WTF OP really has been getting AND i wanna def add the fact he wouldnt say the dosages at all, nor really explain where he sourced it, and wouldnt really specify if it was maybe 15 or 16 when he was asked directly in the follow up comments the community started asking him concerned for this guys well being mostly and so im assuming he maybe doesnt really WANT to disclose ALL details it seems, as WEVE ALLLLLL BEEN THERE... when your still in the shit or falling back into your old shit..... The last thing most of us wanna do is play 21 questions about our issues, we only want answers.. or BETTER MORE INFINITE DRUGS lmfao... BUT HEY, MGM15/16 I DONT GIVE A FINE F, ITS HELPED KEEP ME OFF FENT, AND ALL OTHER DRUGS. STARTED WITH KRATOM ALONE AND WAS FINE ON JUST A FEW CAPSULES DAILY FOR 8 MONTHS SOLID! Till the plant matter started really not agreeing with what my stomach was wanting IN IT... soooo.. hence what originally got me so in love with 7-oh, cuz i never took more than like 20mgs per day, i was prob maxing at like.. 30mgs twice a day on 7-oh at my WORST lol so i THANK GOD sofar been maintaining decent tolerance over myself and consumption with it all these days. After all.. im not exactly trying to really even feel any high (i got mary for that) im just wanting the solution to keep my brain from wanting opiates EVER AGAIN and sofar... 7-oh, MIT, and now my first night trying 10mgs of mgm-15 and loving it sofar, already wanting to try taking half another lol but not gonna dare let myself as i KNOW DAMN WELL thats the old addict me thinking THOSE thoughts. Anyways whats everone think, is 10mgs a baby dose, or should i still be damn careful as the lab results claim it to be a full antagonist not just a partial one like 7-oh anyways, and also paired with the other OP's claims on the other post about overdosing on mgm?? Im gonna stay on the cautious side for the first MANY days i think lol (just to be SAFE n all that good jive lmao)

Hey man.Yeah be cautious, but for reference I take like close to 150 mgs a day.Ive been taking it for about 4 months now though too.Im probably late on this post anyways.Lol

 

[Skorpio]

Somebody in another mgm15 thread posted about it making them fail a drug test for fentanyl (they tested themself after nodding out at work unexpectedly).

If anybody is getting way too high off mgm-15, I’d recommend checking your urine to make sure you aren’t simply using fentanyl.

Edit:

Here is the thread I was alluding to

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Thread 'MGM15 - 3 different sources laced with fetty'

Sep 20, 2025

I am currently a heavy 7 oh user and have been for over a year. I'm up to 300 mg + a day. Mainly powder versions. We'll I ran in to people on reddit talking about a new product called mgm15 to get around the 7 oh ban in Florida. I joined the mgm15 Reddit page and ended up finding 3 of the larger vendors and joined their discords. I'd order 2 gs of 7 and 2 gs of mgm15. Well 3 different vendors shipped me mgm15 and when I tested it for fent, they popped positive. I ended up taking and at home drug test for fent and failed and so did my wife. My question is what should I do about it? Should I...

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[cnnka]

Man fuck all those extracts I wish they would bring good old opium legal or even poppy pods. The 7OH is very good yeah but you NEED constant redose is not viable. I have keep many other opioids in check for me but when I tried 7OH I was redosing every 2 hours like crazy and couldn’t stop until I finished my stash.

 

[Mycophile]

Man fuck all those extracts I wish they would bring good old opium legal or even poppy pods. The 7OH is very good yeah but you NEED constant redose is not viable. I have keep many other opioids in check for me but when I tried 7OH I was redosing every 2 hours like crazy and couldn’t stop until I finished my stash.

I mean people do make poppy pod tea and poppy seed tea. Have you ever tried? I'd kind of like to but I don't want to become really dependent on anything. I mean plain leaf Kratom and regular extracts like OPMS black I allow myself to get a little dependent and then I'll just stop and taking tolerance breaks, but are poppy pod tea and poppy seed tea much stronger than Kratom? If so I would probably want to avoid them cause then my Kratom won't work and also that would probably mean that those teas are more addictive and have worse WDs I'd think.

 

[cnnka]

Have never got addicted to pod tea , the thins is that every time 15g of kratom are 15g of kratom.
With pods one day the 15g may do nothing the other day with 15g you may OD and the other day you might hit the spot there is not consistency at least on the pods I buy from a flower shop.
But I can certainly tell you if you hit the spot is a lot more enjoyable than kratom a lot more relaxing.