Cocaine Why can't you smoke cocaine salt just like meth salt ?

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and the person responded with "freebase is the liquid version you fucking idiot"

Or am I just thinking about it conpletely wrong

Yeah. Street meth is basically Desoxyn, not including potential differences in stereochemistry.

 

[ladoh]

Yeah. Street meth is basically Desoxyn, not including potential differences in stereochemistry.

So crystal meth is freebase-turned HCL-heated to produce vapor from the freebase in the crystal

But technically referring to crystal meth As freebase is still accurate or not accurate or kind of more nuanced in a way theyre its kind of both?

Or is the only difference with the hcl methamphetamine in desoxyn is the (compound of some sort i cant name of the top) Is what makes desoxyns methamphetamine not smokable?

 

[Docta]

So crystal meth is freebase-turned HCL-heated to produce vapor from the freebase in the crystal

Not exactly. When you heat the crystal meth both the meth and hydrogen chloride (HCl) begin to vibrate and rotate until the weak ionic bond is broken. This all happens on or near the boing point of the meth, it momentarily becomes a freebase, you then inhale the meth vapor along with HCl gas. The HCl forms hydrochloric acid with water in the air and saliva and the meth base is instantly neutralized by free hydrogen inside the body making it soluble in blood.

But technically referring to crystal meth As freebase is still accurate or not accurate or kind of more nuanced in a way theyre its kind of both?

No, crystal meth (d-methamphetamine hydrochloride) is not a freebase.

Meth freebase is a liquid with an excess negative charge that when combined with hydrochloric acid a substance with an esses positive charge, the two undergoes a neutralization reaction to form a sold (salt). This new compound is then recrystallized to become purified crystal meth. Freebasses and salts have different properties therefore saying they're the same would not be accurate.

Is what makes desoxyns methamphetamine not smokable?

Yeah, pills use sugars and lactose-based binders making it difficult to tamper with, along with some tricky polymers making vaping almost impossible without first extracting the meth.

 

[ladoh]

Not exactly. When you heat the crystal meth both the meth and hydrogen chloride (HCl) begin to vibrate and rotate until the weak ionic bond is broken. This all happens on or near the boing point of the meth, it momentarily becomes a freebase, you then inhale the meth vapor along with HCl gas. The HCL forms hydrochloric acid with water in the air and saliva and the meth base is instantly neutralized by free hydrogen inside the body making it soluble in blood.



No, crystal meth (d-methamphetamine hydrochloride) is not a freebase.

Meth freebase is a liquid with an excess negative charge that when combined with hydrochloric acid a substance with an esses positive charge, the two undergoes a neutralization reaction to form a sold (salt). This new compound is then recrystallized to become purified crystal meth. Freebasses and salts have different properties therefore saying they're the same would not be accurate.



Yeah, pills use sugars and lactose-based binders making it difficult to tamper with, along with some tricky polymers making vaping almost impossible without first extracting the meth.

Ok I see thanks for the detailed response

 

[Carpetshark]

^Thank you jag that was my impression and working understanding as well.

I would never assume someone hasn't done it in the drug world -- but when you do not see it as a common practice there is usually good reason. Never assume the majority of drug users aren't wringing every penny out of the experienceeb


PS conspiracy theory --- even if the CIA didn't "invent crack" and was just dumping cocaine into the ghetto's -- would anyone with foresight not see baking soda being added as a cut by someone who eventually gets there coke wet and heats it to redry it (Presto Snowman?)

Not just a conspiracy theory; Regan at the time was supporting the Contras, a rebel group. A journalist, Gary Webb, exposed how the US was illegaly selling arms to the Contras who in turn, were trafficking coke into the country. Then Regan goes on his "was on drugs" which was not only a colossal failure, but actually increased the number of teens trying and using drugs. I remember, it was pretty hilarious. Anyway, that, with the mandatory sentencing that targeted crack in poor neighborhoods, not the actual cocaine in rich ones led to some horrific living situations, ghettos, for black families.
My point is... thanks Ronald Regan! I doubt i ever would have tried drugs if he hadn't made it such a joke.

Another question; my sinuses are shot. Snorting is out of the question. Ever heard of making crack with ammonia instead of baking soda?

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I know -- it was technically high treason. (And I love busting this song out)

But 'conservatives' will still argue it is a conspiracy theory that "Crack itself" was introduced to the ghetto's -- even if it wasn't a very minimal amount of foresight would be required to see that it would happen 'in the natural' fairly quickly.

We armed the terrorists -- Bin Laden was a CIA tactician. Crazy

 

[Carpetshark]

It definitely would have happened sooner or later. There were plenty of people in ghettos smart enough to figure out crack.
Its not rocket surgery people!
Ha! That song is awesome

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I tell you first thing I'd think to cut coke with -- prolly mannitol -- but I don't know about that and I am just looking through ma's cupboards -- Baking soda is a likely choice.

Eventually someone gunna have some coke cut with baking soda get wet (Pool, sink, sprinkler, dick friend etc). At the price of coke you ain't just throwing that away so how does one remove moisture -- heat (Is a simple answer)

Voila crack --- although personally I think they fully introduced it themselves and did not wait for this occurrence --- it makes for a good 'alibi' though?

(Than again HCL v Freebase has fooled me before -- lol ended up with a g of 25i-nbome FREEBASE. (GOOD TIMES) actually my preferred way to use it -- the health consequences prolly are not great though!

 

[Carpetshark]

I tell you first thing I'd think to cut coke with -- prolly mannitol -- but I don't know about that and I am just looking through ma's cupboards -- Baking soda is a likely choice.

Eventually someone gunna have some coke cut with baking soda get wet (Pool, sink, sprinkler, dick friend etc). At the price of coke you ain't just throwing that away so how does one remove moisture -- heat (Is a simple answer)

Voila crack --- although personally I think they fully introduced it themselves and did not wait for this occurrence --- it makes for a good 'alibi' though?

(Than again HCL v Freebase has fooled me before -- lol ended up with a g of 25i-nbome FREEBASE. (GOOD TIMES) actually my preferred way to use it -- the health consequences prolly are not great though!

Hey now, watch that fancy pantsy French words around these here parts. Round these here parts we say, "waalaahh".
(Sorry, lemme put that in some context. I live in Idaho. Yes, lots of nice people, yes, beautiful, yes, my roots go very deep here, but it sucks and does live up to 80% of its stereotypes.)
My Coke education stops at the basics, I doubt I've even based, but then again, I'm super old and used to drink a LOT.....
...seriously, a LOT....
.. and I may have and just not remembered it.