Opioids The Great Fentanyl Drought of '24 USA

[Helpmeescapethis]

Youre saying. " Pure fentanyl " is only 10%
And the powder Wich is many times stronger is only 3% ? I'm no mathematician but I'd put money on these numbers not mathing ..

That’s not even close to what I said, but I see where the confusion came from. But why do you keep saying “powder” like it’s some magic substance with more potent properties?

I was saying that any fentanyl you get on the street is undoubtedly less than 10% pure, usually closer to 1-3%. You assume pure fentanyl comes as a powder only because of how impure the street stuff is. The chemical STATE that street fentanyl is served in is HCl crystal, but heavily cut.

Anybody that was ordering lab grade, pure fentanyl in the early 2010s-2016 knows that proper fentanyl comes in crystalline form. Unless freebase. Even pure fentanyl citrate is crystalline, albeit very fine.

 

[letsparty]

That’s not even close to what I said, but I see where the confusion came from. But why do you keep saying “powder” like it’s some magic substance with more potent properties?

I was saying that any fentanyl you get on the street is undoubtedly less than 10% pure, usually closer to 1-3%. You assume pure fentanyl comes as a powder only because of how impure the street stuff is. The chemical STATE that street fentanyl is served in is HCl crystal, but heavily cut.

Anybody that was ordering lab grade, pure fentanyl in the early 2010s-2016 knows that proper fentanyl comes in crystalline form. Unless freebase. Even pure fentanyl citrate is crystalline, albeit very fine.

Yes , I'm talking freebase .. where are you located ? Have to used it ? the fentanyl powder/ crystal whatever you want to call it , to the average user it looks like cocaine ( powder ) that's why everyone refers to it as Fetty powder.
As it crosses the country , I'm sure more and more dealers step on ot but here at the Mexico boarder, it's pretty stout.

I'll do some reading up in just a min but I'd bet what im referring to is much more pure then 3 percent.

EDIT ( immediately found that fentanyl powder from Mexico is up to 75% pure fentanyl)
Id be glad to post the article but you'll find it easily..

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I can vouch for fent being crystalline not powder -- if you saw it pure you would recognize the difference ( I think )

they selling street powder freebase? That is a tad suprising --- 75% pure so if you had no tolerance you could get 70 decent shots out of a 10 bag!!?? (I'm not saying its impossible I remember Bmore and Dtroit hitting around 90% diacetyl in 10 bags for a bit)

Economically doesn't seem like what cartels do though? Link me

 

[letsparty]

I can vouch for fent being crystalline not powder -- if you saw it pure you would recognize the difference ( I think )

they selling street powder freebase? That is a tad suprising --- 75% pure so if you had no tolerance you could get 70 decent shots out of a 10 bag!!?? (I'm not saying its impossible I remember Bmore and Dtroit hitting around 90% diacetyl in 10 bags for a bit)

Economically doesn't seem like what cartels do though? Link me

False. At 75% it would absolutely kill someone without a tolerance.. not sure about your math or what a " 10 " bag is. We sell / buy it by the point or gram. But there no way someone with even a low tolerance could cut up a gram into 10ths and not OD.
As I said , Crystalline under a microscope it to the average drug addict , it's a powder in powder form. Trust me, I've smoked it daily for a year after my tolerance was high enough that I was smoking over 50+ blues a day via bong several at a time .. hadnt nodded in a couple years..

We are all in different areas of the country/ world so I can only tell you what I know and I'm right in the epicenter of this fentanyl flood..

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

Yes , I'm talking freebase .. where are you located ? Have to used it ? the fentanyl powder/ crystal whatever you want to call it , to the average user it looks like cocaine ( powder ) that's why everyone refers to it as Fetty powder.
As it crosses the country , I'm sure more and more dealers step on ot but here at the Mexico boarder, it's pretty stout.

I'll do some reading up in just a min but I'd bet what im referring to is much more pure then 3 percent.

EDIT ( immediately found that fentanyl powder from Mexico is up to 75% pure fentanyl)
Id be glad to post the article but you'll find it easily..

You’re definitely mistaken about it being freebase. 100%. No doubt in my mind, whatsoever.

There would be no snorters or shooters if that were the case. If there WERE shooters of FREEBASE fentanyl, they would have to use ascorbic acid to convert it into a water soluble form first. And the snorters would be literally throwing money away, for the same reason.

I’m in the US. I’ve been doing fentanyl and its analogues for over a decade total. I was ordering it and doing it before it even became notably present on the streets.

The 75% purity figure you mentioned is undoubtedly the product immediately from a lab. And I don’t doubt it was found in the beginning of the fent “takeover”. The cartels very quickly learned they can’t even safely trust their best distributors to cut it properly. Also, the media will always cherry pick the most sensational headline, and the DEA will do the same.

Why do the cartel chemists know not to trust anybody with the cutting process? Because to cut fent thoroughly and properly, one must use a solvent to dissolve the cut and fentanyl into a liquid solution. Then thoroughly mix this, then properly evaporate all of this remaining solution into a solid form. By this point, it is literally 10% MAX purity (most assuredly 1-3%, though. And even this figure is far too generous, honestly) and looks like a straight powder due to the sheer volume of cut applied.

I don’t doubt that street dealers still cut their fent, they do it the horribly unsafe way of attempting to use a blender, food processor, or flour sifter to mix two powders together. Which ALWAYS results in hotspots, and kills loads of people.

Which is exactly what was occurring when fent hit the streets initially. The cartel fixed this problem by doing exactly what I stated above: leaving it all to the properly educated chemists.

Once again, fentanyl in its purest and most usable form is HCl. I was lucky enough to be able to order this for a while. I had an IV habit of 2G/day of lab verified 90%+ purity SEA heroin when I received my first order. The product did not need a microscope to appear crystalline, either. It was lab verified at 95%+ purity.

I had to use tweezers to measure out what looked like individual grains of sea salt, and volumetrically dose. Even with the aforementioned massive heroin habit, 1.5 *milligrams* put me on the floor.

The cartels now supply a product which can be used even by a relatively opiate naive person. A 0.1 bag is generally equipotent to a 0.1 bag of heroin. Just far more addictive and tolerance destroying.

This is why it’s obviously nowhere near pure. And I’ll go further than previously stated, and say it’s 0.25%-1.5% pure. This is the only way that fentanyl is as “approachable” as it is today.

 

[pixies+]

I’m not commenting on the above posts because i just don’t have the personal experience with h or fent.

Fent is often in the meth where I live. Not all of it.. but it’s certainly not uncommon.

I don’t do meth, and I’ve only had a short time with Dilaudid/fent pills.

I receive emails every time fent shows up in meth, cocaine, pills, etc. Sometimes it’s just trace amounts, usually it’s far more than that. Sadly.

I have no way to confirm this, but I suspect I’ve used cocaine with fent in it. I say this because it’s the only times I can think of in my life where cocaine got me stimulated and made me nod at the same time. I wasn’t taking anything different other than the meds I was always prescribed.

 

[Esperighanto]

Youre saying. " Pure fentanyl " is only 10%
And the powder Wich is many times stronger is only 3% ? I'm no mathematician but I'd put money on these numbers not mathing ..

Tons of drugs don't exhibit linear response curves between dose and effect, some things like DOB are barely noticeable at 750ug but are insanely overwhelming by time you hit 4mg. Fentanyl notoriously has a super steep response curve, and many suppliers of potent opioids, benzodiazepines, and cannabinoids have been known (by me, personally, about a decade ago) to cut products they fear will "massacre the custies" as I still recall an old friend saying. On top of this, working with pure fentanyl is a pain in the ass, and the way that people at the street level interact with fent is absolutely necessitating a cut, but it also presents the potential for hotspots, cold/hot batches, etc.

If people think that nitazenes are positively the last scaffold, sad news. There are still many more. As each one is controlled you will just get something worse. Now it appears that the market did NOT accept BDPC which makes total sense since while the parent compound is MOR selective, subsequent N-demethylation yields less seletive metabolites so reports normally reports are something like 'first four hours great, last eight hours AWFUL' But sooner or later someone will take a second look and figure out that there is a homologue that JUST gives those first four hours. Even then, I think the stuff is downright dangerous.

Is there any specific reason you suspect bromadol is dangerous? I certainly don't suspect it's safe, but from what I've read it's just its potency that seems scary.

 

[4DQSAR]

Is there any specific reason you suspect bromadol is dangerous? I certainly don't suspect it's safe, but from what I've read it's just its potency that seems scary.

Well, the fact that the metabolism involves several enzymes could mean it's more toxic (or at least more unpleasent) depending on genetic differences.

It's always better to use a design that has a sacrificial moiety i.e. a part of the scaffold that is labile so that only one enzyme is involved and that there is only a single, common metabolic pathway.

But the sheer potency also makes it dangerous. We don't know what the TI of the stuff is in man and I do not believe any shady producer is going to perform a proper cohohort study.

Maybe it's just me but if you can't safely eyeball a dose, it's too damned stong.

A few years ago a couple of UK vendors were selling 'Savage Henry' brand fentanyl (homologues) and their social media is sickening. When customers fatally overdosed, they BRAGGED about it!

The thing is, that's not at all unusual. I have several other examples but I can't post them here. But in every case it's not just people being morally neutral on the basis that the consumer has made an informed choice, they actively misrepresent and/or alter the dosage and laugh that someone they don't know will have a terrible time. I find it hard to believe that it's a behavior limited to UK based vendors. That's why I tell people to be so careful - because I know vendors don't care (at best) or actively enjoy the power they have over others.

It's GRIM. It really is.

 

[Esperighanto]

Maybe it's just me but if you can't safely eyeball a dose, it's too damned stong.

While I agree with this, I've encountered some things like DOC, NBXXs, LSD, etc which are tough to accurately dose without a scale or volumetric liquid dilution. It does seem like humans default to "yeah I'll just do what looks to my eyes like a little bit" though, so that's an interesting thing to keep in mind.

 

[4DQSAR]

While I agree with this, I've encountered some things like DOC, NBXXs, LSD, etc which are tough to accurately dose without a scale or volumetric liquid dilution. It does seem like humans default to "yeah I'll just do what looks to my eyes like a little bit" though, so that's an interesting thing to keep in mind.

I also have a hypothesis that receptor occupation time and the percentage of time each seperate receptor is bound to a ligand is a key factor in a compound being euphoric. It's not a very well researched area but with morphine sources cite two to eight minutes. With fentanyl it's eight to fifteen minutes and with carfentanil it's tens of minutes to hours.

My key point being that nobody fills 100% of the receptor (and lives) and it's that dynamic binding/dissociating cycle that's the important thing,

I'm uncertain if the partial agonist-->agonist-->superagonist is also important in the euphoria a compound produces but superagonists are the ones that seem to me to be one-way streets. Because there are no superagonists used in substitution therapy. I have a horrible feeling we will only know when it's too late. Buprenorphine is the classic partial agonist and morphine the classic agonist but compounds as diverse as tianeptine, tapentadol and at least etonitazine (the prototype of the nitazines) are all SUPER agonists and I have noted comments that all three produce a terrible dependence. Google Thomas K. Highsmith to read what AWS from a superagonist can drive someone to do...

 

[letsparty]

You’re definitely mistaken about it being freebase. 100%. No doubt in my mind, whatsoever.

There would be no snorters or shooters if that were the case. If there WERE shooters of FREEBASE fentanyl, they would have to use ascorbic acid to convert it into a water soluble form first. And the snorters would be literally throwing money away, for the same reason.

I’m in the US. I’ve been doing fentanyl and its analogues for over a decade total. I was ordering it and doing it before it even became notably present on the streets.

The 75% purity figure you mentioned is undoubtedly the product immediately from a lab. And I don’t doubt it was found in the beginning of the fent “takeover”. The cartels very quickly learned they can’t even safely trust their best distributors to cut it properly. Also, the media will always cherry pick the most sensational headline, and the DEA will do the same.

Why do the cartel chemists know not to trust anybody with the cutting process? Because to cut fent thoroughly and properly, one must use a solvent to dissolve the cut and fentanyl into a liquid solution. Then thoroughly mix this, then properly evaporate all of this remaining solution into a solid form. By this point, it is literally 10% MAX purity (most assuredly 1-3%, though. And even this figure is far too generous, honestly) and looks like a straight powder due to the sheer volume of cut applied.

I don’t doubt that street dealers still cut their fent, they do it the horribly unsafe way of attempting to use a blender, food processor, or flour sifter to mix two powders together. Which ALWAYS results in hotspots, and kills loads of people.

Which is exactly what was occurring when fent hit the streets initially. The cartel fixed this problem by doing exactly what I stated above: leaving it all to the properly educated chemists.

Once again, fentanyl in its purest and most usable form is HCl. I was lucky enough to be able to order this for a while. I had an IV habit of 2G/day of lab verified 90%+ purity SEA heroin when I received my first order. The product did not need a microscope to appear crystalline, either. It was lab verified at 95%+ purity.

I had to use tweezers to measure out what looked like individual grains of sea salt, and volumetrically dose. Even with the aforementioned massive heroin habit, 1.5 *milligrams* put me on the floor.

The cartels now supply a product which can be used even by a relatively opiate naive person. A 0.1 bag is generally equipotent to a 0.1 bag of heroin. Just far more addictive and tolerance destroying.

This is why it’s obviously nowhere near pure. And I’ll go further than previously stated, and say it’s 0.25%-1.5% pure. This is the only way that fentanyl is as “approachable” as it is today.

Ok well hopefully people do research before they use. Obviously what you order online is not the same as we get at the Mexican border lol.
And just so.we are both on the same.page ....
As I said " freebase "
This is from Wikipedia.

" Recreational Use: The term "free-basing" also refers to the process of converting a drug from its salt form to its free base form, often for the purpose of smoking, according to wikidoc. This can be a dangerous process and is often associated with the use of recreational drugs.

This is from the DEAs site .

" Purity Varies Widely: The purity of illicit fentanyl produced in Mexico and trafficked into the US can vary greatly. DEA analysis of seizures revealed a range from 0.07% to 81.5%. Other DEA reports show average purity levels for seized powder samples around 13-14%, with ranges reaching as high as 75.6%.".

 

[tryptakid]

Ok well hopefully people do research before they use. Obviously what you order online is not the same as we get at the Mexican border lol.
And just so.we are both on the same.page ....
As I said " freebase "
This is from Wikipedia.

" Recreational Use: The term "free-basing" also refers to the process of converting a drug from its salt form to its free base form, often for the purpose of smoking, according to wikidoc. This can be a dangerous process and is often associated with the use of recreational drugs.

This is from the DEAs site .

" Purity Varies Widely: The purity of illicit fentanyl produced in Mexico and trafficked into the US can vary greatly. DEA analysis of seizures revealed a range from 0.07% to 81.5%. Other DEA reports show average purity levels for seized powder samples around 13-14%, with ranges reaching as high as 75.6%.".

Free-basing generally is a term to describe the modificaiton of cocaine for the purposes of vaoprization and inhalation (smoking crack). Cocaine does not vaporize well and must be converted into it's free-base form (which we call crack) from it's salt attached form (usually cocaine hcl if I'm not mistaken). Cocaine requiring this conversion seems to be a coke specific problem. There are plenty of other drugs in non-free-base form that can be readily vaporized. Methamphetamine does not need to be turned into a free-base in order to vaporizing and smoke. Fentanyl seems to be readily vaporized and inhaled regardless of what form you get it in as people smoke it without modifying it. All's to say - just because it's being smoked/vaped doesn't mean it's freebase fentanyl. I haven't found a ton of evidence indicating whether Fentanyl on the street is in free-base or bound to a salt (like HCl) nor have I seen any indication as to whether the form would alter it's effect when used.

My guess is the high range seizures are for high end pre-cut packages that were being seized after manufacturer but before wholesale. Pressed pills (IIRC) are usually 1-1.5mg of fentanyl per dirty-30. I don't know how much bags are going to be aiming for but I can't imagine there's going to be more that 3mg of active fentanyl in a retail bag. Lethal doses are already very possible at 2mg in humans, even with tolerance you're really unlikely to see retail bags that are absolutely going to kill most people who buy them. I'd wager that a bag with 100mg of powder might have 1-3mg of active fentanyl in them.

I haven't bought street dope in 16 years at this point, so I can only guess. The published data from law enforcement is likely to err on the side of more potent since high level drug arrests are more common than 10bags. Arresting street users in most of the US is more of a hassle than it's worth, but arresting distributors who have yet to cut it down is much more worthy of time. This probably skews the concentration of samples tested since they're more likely to arrest dealers and wholesalers who have more concentrated batches that they will then step on. Also, cops are going to err on the side of more potent because that's going to get more prison time.

That's my $.02 - hope it helps.

 

[4DQSAR]

Free-basing generally is a term to describe the modificaiton of cocaine for the purposes of vaoprization and inhalation (smoking crack). Cocaine does not vaporize well and must be converted into it's free-base form (which we call crack) from it's salt attached form (usually cocaine hcl if I'm not mistaken). Cocaine requiring this conversion seems to be a coke specific problem. There are plenty of other drugs in non-free-base form that can be readily vaporized. Methamphetamine does not need to be turned into a free-base in order to vaporizing and smoke. Fentanyl seems to be readily vaporized and inhaled regardless of what form you get it in as people smoke it without modifying it. All's to say - just because it's being smoked/vaped doesn't mean it's freebase fentanyl. I haven't found a ton of evidence indicating whether Fentanyl on the street is in free-base or bound to a salt (like HCl) nor have I seen any indication as to whether the form would alter it's effect when used.

The melting point of freebase fentanyl is 83–84°C but the same source suggests that the melting-point of fentanyl hydrochloride is just 87.5°C... which I think is wrong. Eapecially since the melting point of fentanyl citrate is given as 153–156°C.

But just as a small amount (5-10%) of caffeine is added to 'China White' which in truth is SE Asian heroin destined for the Astralsian market. Adding any cut with a lower melting point will depress the melting point of the mixture.

Sort of like how antifreeze is added to the water used in cars but rather than lowering the temperature a liquid turns into a solid, the cuts lower the temperature at which a solif turns into a liquid.

 

[letsparty]

Free-basing generally is a term to describe the modificaiton of cocaine for the purposes of vaoprization and inhalation (smoking crack). Cocaine does not vaporize well and must be converted into it's free-base form (which we call crack) from it's salt attached form (usually cocaine hcl if I'm not mistaken). Cocaine requiring this conversion seems to be a coke specific problem. There are plenty of other drugs in non-free-base form that can be readily vaporized. Methamphetamine does not need to be turned into a free-base in order to vaporizing and smoke. Fentanyl seems to be readily vaporized and inhaled regardless of what form you get it in as people smoke it without modifying it. All's to say - just because it's being smoked/vaped doesn't mean it's freebase fentanyl. I haven't found a ton of evidence indicating whether Fentanyl on the street is in free-base or bound to a salt (like HCl) nor have I seen any indication as to whether the form would alter it's effect when used.

My guess is the high range seizures are for high end pre-cut packages that were being seized after manufacturer but before wholesale. Pressed pills (IIRC) are usually 1-1.5mg of fentanyl per dirty-30. I don't know how much bags are going to be aiming for but I can't imagine there's going to be more that 3mg of active fentanyl in a retail bag. Lethal doses are already very possible at 2mg in humans, even with tolerance you're really unlikely to see retail bags that are absolutely going to kill most people who buy them. I'd wager that a bag with 100mg of powder might have 1-3mg of active fentanyl in them.

I haven't bought street dope in 16 years at this point, so I can only guess. The published data from law enforcement is likely to err on the side of more potent since high level drug arrests are more common than 10bags. Arresting street users in most of the US is more of a hassle than it's worth, but arresting distributors who have yet to cut it down is much more worthy of time. This probably skews the concentration of samples tested since they're more likely to arrest dealers and wholesalers who have more concentrated batches that they will then step on. Also, cops are going to err on the side of more potent because that's going to get more prison time.

That's my $.02 - hope it helps.

Thank you . I'm not trying to be a dick , but if this is indeed a site for safe drug use / information, then " guessing " on a 16 year , outdated " opinion " is , in my opinion ,a no
no..
Right now , on a daily basses , hundreds of people a month are dying from fentanyl, specifically powder . This is an easily provable fact ! This is in my area of the country ( AZ ) and it's happening now .. even if the DEA website is erring on the high side , you can easily break up a gram into milligrams and at 14% in a tenth of a gram , can and often is killing people... where you guys are located and what your dealers are doing , I don't know . The pisas out here don't have time nor the the care to try n deal with cutting it down .. they make plenty of money.. what is available here is not the same as folks on the east coast gets .
Also , if you buy fentanyl powder and put it in a pipe and smoke it , is that not considered " freebasing ""?? That's what everyone I have ever met calls it.

 

[Esperighanto]

Also , if you buy fentanyl powder and put it in a pipe and smoke it , is that not considered " freebasing ""?? That's what everyone I have ever met calls it.

Freebasing would be mixing it with something basic to take it from an acidic form to a basic form, vaporization is a separate thing.

 

[pixies+]

Donald Trump has caused HELL In Mexico with CJNG & it's mashed up the supply.
Something called Xylazine which is a Proper Animal tranq is taking over, it puts a Hippo on it's arse in seconds so I'll skip trying that.

The Lovley Russian Krokodil is also showing up, I know it has been on the streets of Canada's Vancouver Chinese Qtr for some time, it makes you rot & fall apart, it's not something you wanna be using IMHO.

I know you wrote this a while back.. but krokodil has also been found in Nova Scotia.

I get emails every time some fucked up shit that shouldn’t be in street drugs is found. Kind of an oxymoron type thing already.

But when fent plus other awful fent analogues is found in everything from coke to meth to pressed pills to… whatever you can think of basically… it’s just fucked.

I’ve had people NOT from Canada argue that this isn’t happening in my province. Uhh… okay

How does this still surprise people?

Fucking clowns.

 

[pixies+]

Sorry for the serial posts but I've been reading some of the older posts here. I just wanted to add a few thoughts.
I do not use fentanyl. I have only had it in a medical setting. I'm allergic to morphine so I get fentanyl instead when I need pain meds.
I only use meth. I have several friends who, like me only use meth. For one reason or another, they've been drug tested at different times. Several of them have come up positive for fentanyl. The only place it could have been was in the meth.

Certain states, not sure which ones, look at test strips as drug paraphernalia. I know a lot of states have decriminalized them. I know Amazon sells them. I tried to order some a while ago to test my meth. They would not deliver to my state. NH decriminalized both fent and xylazine strips in 23. It makes me wonder why Amazon won't deliver them. There are some local harm reduction places that offer them. That will be my next step.

THANK YOU!

I’m down right fucking shocked that people fight me on this I gave proof…

Still got the “yeah but trace amounts are different …”

Of course. But that’s not all it is Trace amounts were found in ONE of like 9-10 lab tests I posted.

Cmon.

 

[tryptakid]

Thank you . I'm not trying to be a dick , but if this is indeed a site for safe drug use / information, then " guessing " on a 16 year , outdated " opinion " is , in my opinion ,a no
no..
Right now , on a daily basses , hundreds of people a month are dying from fentanyl, specifically powder . This is an easily provable fact ! This is in my area of the country ( AZ ) and it's happening now .. even if the DEA website is erring on the high side , you can easily break up a gram into milligrams and at 14% in a tenth of a gram , can and often is killing people... where you guys are located and what your dealers are doing , I don't know . The pisas out here don't have time nor the the care to try n deal with cutting it down .. they make plenty of money.. what is available here is not the same as folks on the east coast gets .
Also , if you buy fentanyl powder and put it in a pipe and smoke it , is that not considered " freebasing ""?? That's what everyone I have ever met calls it.

What's the point you're trying to make? I have lost probably more than 100 people over the past 25 years from overdoses, classmates, friends, family members, ex-girlfriends, people I got high with, people I bought from, people I was in treatment with, people I got clean with, people I knew through aa/na, patients of mine after I became a clinician, and colleagues that I worked with who ultimately relapsed. I couldn't begin to estimate how many it's been but I can say without hesitation that I am abundantly familiar with the fatal risk associated with opioids and in particular, fetty.

There's nothing I said that disputes the fact that people are dying. I'm not sure why you are disputing my contribution after you DM'd me asking me to respond to this thread.

What is it you're taking issue with because it's unclear? Are you trying to say that you think that Fentanyl is being sold in higher concentrations - as in 10-20mg in a 100mg bag? If that were the case, people would need to do incredibly small doses even with abundant tolerance. You'd be needing to at max do 1/10th of a bag to not risk fatal overdose.

What size are the bags sold? Are they sold by weight (grams, teeners (1/16th of a gram), or are they sold in sizes associated with cost (10s, 20s, 40s) - are they stamp bags (which usually have 50mg of powder per bag)?

Free-basing is, as @Esperighanto indicated a chemical process that removes the salt a chemical is bound to in order to change it into it's free base (fentanyl hcl or fentanyl citrate becomes fentanyl base - it's free of it's salt bond). This is done to change the physical properties (such as melting point or solubility) for some purpose or another. Changing forms has an impact on how the drug is used. Crack, for example, is Cocaine freebase (cocaine hcl + sodium bicarbonate frees the cocaine from the HCL and turns it into crack. Cocaine is not well vaporized by heat in it's salt form, but when in freebase form, it is more easily heated and the vapors are inhaled. On the other hand, Crack isn't easily snorted or injected, so users will take crack and add an acid (lemon juice or vinegar) to make it able to be injected. None of this stuff is highly recommended as converting crack into an injectable form using lemon juice is a huge vector for bacterial infection, and is likely not super efficient.

I may not have bought dope in 16 years, but I know the street and the drug trade. What I don't know is what the hill you're insisting on dying on and why my response wasn't what you were hoping it would be?

 

[tryptakid]

Thank you . I'm not trying to be a dick , but if this is indeed a site for safe drug use / information, then " guessing " on a 16 year , outdated " opinion " is , in my opinion ,a no
no..
Right now , on a daily basses , hundreds of people a month are dying from fentanyl, specifically powder . This is an easily provable fact ! This is in my area of the country ( AZ ) and it's happening now .. even if the DEA website is erring on the high side , you can easily break up a gram into milligrams and at 14% in a tenth of a gram , can and often is killing people... where you guys are located and what your dealers are doing , I don't know . The pisas out here don't have time nor the the care to try n deal with cutting it down .. they make plenty of money.. what is available here is not the same as folks on the east coast gets .
Also , if you buy fentanyl powder and put it in a pipe and smoke it , is that not considered " freebasing ""?? That's what everyone I have ever met calls it.

Further follow-up from a pre-print of a study:

Samples were analyzed from a community-based drug checking program operating at four geographic sites in Los Angeles County, California 2023 Q1 to 2025 Q2. Participants answered an anonymous survey about sample characteristics. Qualitative and quantitative analyses were conducted leveraging directly-observed mass spectrometry (DART-MS) and Liquid chromatography mass spectrometry (LC/MS) respectively. LC/MS quantified a panel of compounds including fentanyl and fluorofentanyl. Composite fentanyl purity was estimated by adding the percent mass of fentanyl and fluorofentanyl.

Results A total of 353 samples had either fentanyl, fluorofentanyl, or both, quantified. Average purity was 10.0%, SD 11.1%, range 0.1%-64.9%. Samples expected to be fentanyl (n=308) had higher average purity (10.9%) compared to those expected to be heroin (n=24, average purity=2.7%) or other drugs. Powder samples (n=318) had higher average concentration (10.8%) compared to pills (n=11, 1.4%) or tar (n=22, 3.2%). Of expected-fentanyl samples, 42.5% (n=117) had a fentanyl purity of less than 5%, while 17.5% (n=51) had purity over 20%.

Clearly there's a highly variable range of fentanyl concentrations which is part of why it has such a high-risk profile. People can be accustomed to one batch that is 5% pure and then get a bag that's 20% pure - you might end up jumping from 1mg to 4mg by taking the same amount of powder from different batches which would go from a strong but not necessarily deadly dose, to a dose that's very lethal.

Interestingly, this study indicates that mixtures being sold as 'heroin' had lower potency than ones obviously sold as fentanyl. Still, not something you could go by to ensure safety. Add in the weird ass analogues that get mixed in and it's an incredibly dangerous market to be buying from within.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

False. At 75% it would absolutely kill someone without a tolerance.. not sure about your math or what a " 10 " bag is. We sell / buy it by the point or gram. But there no way someone with even a low tolerance could cut up a gram into 10ths and not OD.
As I said , Crystalline under a microscope it to the average drug addict , it's a powder in powder form. Trust me, I've smoked it daily for a year after my tolerance was high enough that I was smoking over 50+ blues a day via bong several at a time .. hadnt nodded in a couple years..

We are all in different areas of the country/ world so I can only tell you what I know and I'm right in the epicenter of this fentanyl flood..

Interesting -- I have seen it at 100% and yes a mask is required and it is crystalline. A ten bag is indeed a point - 100 mgs - a stamp etc -- someone said 75% purity that would mean on a "Point" (Ten bag/stamp) you would get what 75 good shots if you had no tolerance? 1mg per shot no tolerance is pretty heavy?

What I said is I doubt it -- $10 for 75 doses sounds like a hell of a deal?

What part of what I said was false. Was it not you who asserted the 75% purity #? 100 mg = 1/10th a gram *sorry I keep rerunning the math you sounded so confident about false you almost got me*