Opioids The Great Fentanyl Drought of '24 USA

[Helpmeescapethis]

I know xylazine shows up in detroit ( Is this only a USA problem? As it was kind of implied so but not said outright) ---- sad even if you get straight to the border connect still fent not H -- Wahh!

Unacceptable I would pay a good premium for diacetyl with no ACTIVE cut -- even if it was a little weaker per $ or whatever ( I think most of us would ) --- Could put it on the menu at least for connoisseurs!

It’s just not worth it after we lost our opium precursors when we let the Taliban prohibit it. Heroin requires tons of manual labor and time to get any meaningful amount worth smuggling. Even when we had it, I’m surprised it was as inexpensive as it was considering the labor necessary.

For synthetics, all labs need is precursors, and the ability to follow a recipe. And believe me, they have them.

What you desire still exists, you’re just going to have to do some research online and be willing to risk shipping.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Are you somewhere in the middle east? I thought opium production was way up post Taliban (but that was a LONG time ago) --- So the great poppy fields are actually gone in the middle east (To your knowledge)?

I absolutely understand the financial reasons and can't argue too much except "Wasn't heroin already making alot of money; why fix what isn't broke?" --- But if your answer is because the poppy fields were wiped out than that is understandable...ish. I wouldn't wanna risk growing em under Taliban rule and its not like the farmers made a fortune.....if all the same ppl are making money of synth's that makes sense. Seems like the farmers are prolly cut out though and if I understood they really needed that job

True I am not a big fan of the dark web but you are right -- that is the way you can acquire it at a premium as a connoisseur -- don't love the mailing part though.

 

[Uden]

I used to hit the gym. Was even in the military for a bit. Nothing quite like heroin my friend. Not for me anyway, to each their own, and man if that works for you it's quite a bit better for you I'd say.

 

[thurston]

Maybe but I think it's over hyped... I didn't hear anyone , beit user or plug mention it and my guy was tied in to the cartels .. just like every YouTuber on the streets is telling everyone that AZ meth is cut with fentanyl....it's not at all even possible for crystal to be cut with it .. anyway..
I'm now a few months removed from that life so I can only speculate on the current situation.

A friend, who I trust, that uses meth said he knows someone who only does meth that tested positive for fentanyl on a drug test.

 

[letsparty]

A friend, who I trust, that uses meth said he knows someone who only does meth that tested positive for fentanyl on a drug test.

Only way that's possible is in powder form mixed w fentanyl .. not crystal ..

 

[letsparty]

Are you somewhere in the middle east? I thought opium production was way up post Taliban (but that was a LONG time ago) --- So the great poppy fields are actually gone in the middle east (To your knowledge)?

I absolutely understand the financial reasons and can't argue too much except "Wasn't heroin already making alot of money; why fix what isn't broke?" --- But if your answer is because the poppy fields were wiped out than that is understandable...ish. I wouldn't wanna risk growing em under Taliban rule and its not like the farmers made a fortune.....if all the same ppl are making money of synth's that makes sense. Seems like the farmers are prolly cut out though and if I understood they really needed that job

True I am not a big fan of the dark web but you are right -- that is the way you can acquire it at a premium as a connoisseur -- don't love the mailing part though.

I don't think the military nor police will ever wipe out the poppy production. It's to much money for people/government/ cartels to walk away from and it won't just grow anywhere . Also I'm pretty sure it's needed for medication production like morphine and it derivatives etc.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

^That is true it is important for morphine production. I guess I don't get why H classic isn't available at a premium. I get it, it's bulkier, smells more, costs more to transport --- but if pods are still there than H must still be made. (Feel like that is a safe assumption)

 

[letsparty]

^That is true it is important for morphine production. I guess I don't get why H classic isn't available at a premium. I get it, it's bulkier, smells more, costs more to transport --- but if pods are still there than H must still be made. (Feel like that is a safe assumption)

H has been slowly back on the rise in AZ for sure .. infact the majority of associates I use to deal with prefer H over the blues .. Fetty powder is much stronger but costs a lot more .

 

[4DQSAR]

I suggest people be careful becasue between when this post was made, if the situation hasn't changed, the axiom 'nature abhors a vacuum' and while one of the Mexican cartels made a big PR effort to show that they had stopped dealing in fentanyl, that's opening the door to Canadian cafentanil producers to step in. Since it's some five hundred times more potent than fentanyl, I doubt anything but an extremely sensive ELISA test would spot it.

Then the nitazenes. I find it hard to believe that a cartel would give up such a profitable product without a backup while other suppliers know they can charge more for the same because of that vacuum.

But whatever the case - it's the end user who takes the largest risks for the fewest positive reasons.

If people think that nitazenes are positively the last scaffold, sad news. There are still many more. As each one is controlled you will just get something worse. Now it appears that the market did NOT accept BDPC which makes total sense since while the parent compound is MOR selective, subsequent N-demethylation yields less seletive metabolites so reports normally reports are something like 'first four hours great, last eight hours AWFUL' But sooner or later someone will take a second look and figure out that there is a homologue that JUST gives those first four hours. Even then, I think the stuff is downright dangerous.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I do not see H coming back given the economics honestly - not to the US at least. Prolly went the way of opium (Or is quickly heading there). But I will still protesteth as much as possible.

 

[letsparty]

I do not see H coming back given the economics honestly - not to the US at least. Prolly went the way of opium (Or is quickly heading there). But I will still protesteth as much as possible.

I'll have to respectfully disagree because I've seen it on the comeback ...ive sat in the living rooms of big time dealers that came straight across the border with very large amounts of it ( I live 45 min from the Mexican border ) and the demand for H is still very big and that means $$$ I also know that the cartels only had a small window where they had supply problems getting fent and I know for sure the blues are stronger then ever and the price has quadrupled also making H more attractive ... plus they are pushing the powder and it's also from Mexico.

 

[paranoid android]

Have things gotten so bd that people actually miss fent? That shit is trash for anything other then pain. I had it prescribed and got no euphoria from it at all. Even smoking t wasent great.

Compared to morphine or especially dilaudid fent is absolute trash. It has 0 euphoria

 

[letsparty]

Have things gotten so bd that people actually miss fent? That shit is trash for anything other then pain. I had it prescribed and got no euphoria from it at all. Even smoking t wasent great.

Compared to morphine or especially dilaudid fent is absolute trash. It has 0 euphoria

Everyone's brains are different.. the whole reason I did drugs was for euphoria and fentanyl was my favorite.. the powder is a whole other level .
Don't knock it till ya try it. Lol. I'm for sure not recommending you try it
I have never used needles but long time addicts seem to mostly prefer injecting H over smoking F for sure .

 

[paranoid android]

Everyone's brains are different.. the whole reason I did drugs was for euphoria and fentanyl was my favorite.. the powder is a whole other level .
Don't knock it till ya try it. Lol. I'm for sure not recommending you try it
I have never used needles but long time addicts seem to mostly prefer injecting H over smoking F for sure .

I never IVed fent but i did smoke the gell, put the gel under my tongue, snort the frozen gel, put heat on the patch and so on. Fent just doesent give me any euphoria. Honestly codeine is more euphoric for me

I think i will just stick with my morphine

 

[letsparty]

I never IVed fent but i did smoke the gell, put the gel under my tongue, snort the frozen gel, put heat on the patch and so on. Fent just doesent give me any euphoria. Honestly codeine is more euphoric for me

I think i will just stick with my morphine

Well yea the old hospital patches don't compare to the blues and not even close to the power...
Anyway. Id still stay away....not even sure why I would defend fentanyl. Lol. I just know morphine is nasty shit and the only opiate I'd avoid .. always made me nauseous and no euphoria at all ...

 

[paranoid android]

Well yea the old hospital patches don't compare to the blues and not even close to the power...
Anyway. Id still stay away....not even sure why I would defend fentanyl. Lol. I just know morphine is nasty shit and the only opiate I'd avoid .. always made me nauseous and no euphoria at all ...

Ya fent just does not interest me so ill avoid it. I love morphine i just atr 150mg's awile ago actually lol. Ill probably have a shot of it later.

I get alot of euphoria from morphine. It doesent have the kick dilaudid does but it lasts alot longer

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I'll have to respectfully disagree because I've seen it on the comeback ...ive sat in the living rooms of big time dealers that came straight across the border with very large amounts of it ( I live 45 min from the Mexican border ) and the demand for H is still very big and that means $$$ I also know that the cartels only had a small window where they had supply problems getting fent and I know for sure the blues are stronger then ever and the price has quadrupled also making H more attractive ... plus they are pushing the powder and it's also from Mexico.

I TRULY hope you are correct. Blacktar? I think it still stands more of a chance than #4 powder --- which is kinda funny cuz we all use to call tar crap compared to powder. All I am suggesting with fent is they are ostensively saying they are looking for other ways as some kind of ban (I have no idea if that is true I live closer to the Canadian border)

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Well yea the old hospital patches don't compare to the blues and not even close to the power...
Anyway. Id still stay away....not even sure why I would defend fentanyl. Lol. I just know morphine is nasty shit and the only opiate I'd avoid .. always made me nauseous and no euphoria at all ...

Sorry to double post ya -- but the non gel ones you could get a 90% yield with one obvious household solvent that evaporates quickly anyways! Safest way I have found to do the stuff. But there are no blues or w/e around here just ? powder and that has a jacked up price.

Wait you find morphine less euphoric than fent? You are not a shooter I presume? The histamine release can be pretty intense and a lot of ppl use to think they were allergic to morphine and codeine because of it -- more itchy less nausea though.

I guess we are all different cuz no comparison here - I'd pass on fent if offered and go great lengths to obtain mphine or dilly lol

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

Only way that's possible is in powder form mixed w fentanyl .. not crystal ..

Pure fentanyl HCl (which is most common on the street) is literally crystalline. Even fentanyl citrate is finely crystalline.

Your highest tier suppliers get stuff that is literally MAYBE 10% pure, maximum. Usually closer to 1-3%. That’s why you assume it’s a powder.

 

[letsparty]

Pure fentanyl HCl (which is most common on the street) is literally crystalline. Even fentanyl citrate is finely crystalline.

Your highest tier suppliers get stuff that is literally MAYBE 10% pure, maximum. Usually closer to 1-3%. That’s why you assume it’s a powder.

Youre saying. " Pure fentanyl " is only 10%
And the powder Wich is many times stronger is only 3% ? I'm no mathematician but I'd put money on these numbers not mathing ..