Cocaine Why can't you smoke cocaine salt just like meth salt ?

[Dada5000]

Is it because cocaine salt decomposes at its melting point ?

 

[red22]

Just wanna chime in to say that meth, contrarily, is always smoked as a salt. Freebase meth is an oil, and given the popularity of cannabis oil and the fact that cocaine is optimally smoked as base, one would think that the base form of meth is ideal for smoking, but look what I found:

I've actually tried to smoke true freebase meth and it's like pouring sulfuric acid down your throat. Nobody freebases meth.

2022-04-17

But maybe it's OK if it's just added to, e.g., tobacco in small amounts. Maybe one can make a pH-adjusted vape fluid out of it…

Indeed, burnt hydrochloric acid isn't good for you, so maybe a freebase meth formula represents a safer alternative…

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

Just wanna chime in to say that meth, contrarily, is always smoked as a salt. Freebase meth is an oil, and given the popularity of cannabis oil and the fact that cocaine is optimally smoked as base, one would think that the base form of meth is ideal for smoking, but look what I found:


2022-04-17

But maybe it's OK if it's just added to, e.g., tobacco in small amounts. Maybe one can make a pH-adjusted vape fluid out of it…

Indeed, burnt hydrochloric acid isn't good for you, so maybe a freebase meth formula represents a safer alternative…

You don’t “smoke” meth, you vape it. Flame never contacts nor combusts the product.

And OP you can try vaping cocaine HCl, but it will degrade most of it and be a waste.

 

[red22]

People don't roll up meth in cigs and joint?

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

People don't roll up meth in cigs and joint?

No way. Literally never heard of such a thing in my life. Maybe dumb kids do, but dumb kids also dip cigs and joints in cough syrup.

They use meth pipes or aluminum foil in some countries.

 

[Docta]

Is it because cocaine salt decomposes at its melting point ?

Kind of.
It's not the melting point that matters it's the vapor you're after; therefore, you need to reach the boiling point of the substance.

Cocaine salts sinter before boiling.

 

[red22]

Maybe dumb kids do,

What's so dumb about it? Also, aluminum foil sounds pretty dumb. You may waste all of your product and…


At the temperatures reached by direct flame contact, some aluminium can oxidize and tiny particulates may be released. While the acute toxicity is likely low for occasional use, long-term, repeated inhalation of aluminium dust or fumes is linked in other contexts (welding, manufacturing) to lung issues and possible neurotoxicity.

…manufacturing residues, coatings, or contamination from handling can add to what you inhale.


While heavy-duty kitchen foil is usually just rolled aluminium alloy with no intentional food-contact coating, some foils (especially cheaper brands or non-kitchen foil) may have:

• Lubricant residues – Small amounts of rolling oils from the manufacturing process; food-grade foils are supposed to be cleaned, but trace residues can remain.

• Non-stick coatings – “Non-stick foil” often has a silicone-based layer on one side to keep food from sticking. Heating that directly with a lighter can produce unpleasant fumes.

• Printed or colored surfaces – Foils with patterns, dyes, or labeling ink (e.g., holiday foil wraps) can contain pigments or binders not meant for inhalation.

• Oxide layer variation – All aluminium forms a thin oxide layer naturally, but industrial foils may have enhanced passivation treatments to improve shelf life or corrosion resistance.

• Bonded layers – Some foil products are laminated with paper or plastic for packaging — that plastic will release toxic fumes when burned.

If you’re using foil as a makeshift screen, it’s almost impossible to be certain what was on that surface unless you sourced plain, uncoated, food-grade aluminium — and even then, heating it with a lighter can still cause surface degradation.

– ChatGPT


It's not hard to make a vaporizer out of a lightbulb…

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

What's so dumb about it? Also, aluminum foil sounds pretty dumb. You may waste all of your product and…


At the temperatures reached by direct flame contact, some aluminium can oxidize and tiny particulates may be released. While the acute toxicity is likely low for occasional use, long-term, repeated inhalation of aluminium dust or fumes is linked in other contexts (welding, manufacturing) to lung issues and possible neurotoxicity.

…manufacturing residues, coatings, or contamination from handling can add to what you inhale.


While heavy-duty kitchen foil is usually just rolled aluminium alloy with no intentional food-contact coating, some foils (especially cheaper brands or non-kitchen foil) may have:

• Lubricant residues – Small amounts of rolling oils from the manufacturing process; food-grade foils are supposed to be cleaned, but trace residues can remain.

• Non-stick coatings – “Non-stick foil” often has a silicone-based layer on one side to keep food from sticking. Heating that directly with a lighter can produce unpleasant fumes.

• Printed or colored surfaces – Foils with patterns, dyes, or labeling ink (e.g., holiday foil wraps) can contain pigments or binders not meant for inhalation.

• Oxide layer variation – All aluminium forms a thin oxide layer naturally, but industrial foils may have enhanced passivation treatments to improve shelf life or corrosion resistance.

• Bonded layers – Some foil products are laminated with paper or plastic for packaging — that plastic will release toxic fumes when burned.

If you’re using foil as a makeshift screen, it’s almost impossible to be certain what was on that surface unless you sourced plain, uncoated, food-grade aluminium — and even then, heating it with a lighter can still cause surface degradation.

– ChatGPT


It's not hard to make a vaporizer out of a lightbulb…

It’s dumb because doing that wastes more product than foil or another form of vaping it. You want it boil, not just melt. Not to mention the amounts of it being lost while not hitting the cigarette/joint.

I don’t do meth at all, and am well aware of the risks involved with vaping things off aluminum foil. So save your ChatGPT lectures for the poor people of the countries that do. I was simply telling you how it’s done.

Also, don’t go forward believing you can rely on ChatGPT for information. Especially not regarding drugs. Thankfully this time it wasn’t anything horribly inaccurate.

 

[pkt]

I’ve smoked cocaine hcl in joints and in Ciggaretes mixed with tobacco, if you have enough coke you can get high but allot will be wasted compared to making freebase or crack from the powder.

 

[pixies+]

So we used to do the same thing… tap out some Tobacco and then suck a line of coke up into the cigarette.. out the tobacco back in the top of the cig, run a lighter over it to “toast” the coke, light the smoke, and get a head rush.
But it was only like … I dunno… baby lines for something to do. I never offered up any of my shit for that nonsense. I’d take a few puffs if handed my way.. we called them coco puffs. I’m sure there’s tons of different names for it.

I’ve watched people pour cocaine into a pipe and smoke it…. I could never understand what the fuck they thought they were doing. Whatever.. not my shit to tackle.

I was never a crack smoker.. but I’ve smoked it many times. Never liked it the way I liked IV cocaine - though I quickly learned to hate this just as much as I “loved” it.

A “coco puff” gave me the same head rush an Export A green used to give me when I first tried smoking at 12.

I’m hardly an expert. Just throwing out my opinion as I believe I’m understanding what’s being said.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

No way. Literally never heard of such a thing in my life. Maybe dumb kids do, but dumb kids also dip cigs and joints in cough syrup.

They use meth pipes or aluminum foil in some countries.

You got it. I knew a kid that had way too much coke in like early HS -- First it was "cocoa puffs" on bowls, than "chronic" joints, Than the fool just started packing pot bowls full of coke (Some of if not the best Ive ever had too!)

Eventually he landed on crack of course --- but not till long after that plug and the good stuff was gone.

I member borrowing his pipe as lunch during HS and Starting with a couple (coke) resin hits than packing the bowl full of weed --- wasteful as all hell but you do get a numbie and if you smoke a full bowl of coke with a bic lighter you will get some effects. (
Like smoking oxy or w/e I suppose--idk if that is a fair comparison but feels right)

IV coke -- Only when its a 1:3 ratio with actual diacetyl (NOT SAFE OR HEALTHY) but a hell of a hit! By the time the coke wains down the H is starting to slap hard.

 

[jagfug]

I use heavy duty Reynolds Wrap to vape all kinds of H, from Tar to tan/beige/gray-purple, to fent. My buddies tell me to use an oil burner, which I’ve done, only you go through pipes fast as it’s really hard on them.

I really should stick to glass though. Aluminum is definitely neurotoxic. It’s bad enough that shit is raining down on us from the aerosol garbage they’re spraying the sky with!

Any suggestions?

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

If its tan/beige/gray/purple powder I would presume snorting it is an option? Obviously avoiding a needle is more important to your health than some aluminum inhalation.

Never seen anyone smoke H out of a bubble or a straight glass shooter so I presume it isn't done but I do not know. Smoking opioid/ates don't last long enough for my broke ass. Although I to plan to try smoking some 7 oh before it goes sched 1

Only seen ppl chase it off tinfoil

 

[jagfug]

“Never seen anyone smoke H out of a bubble or a straight glass shooter so I presume it isn't done but I do not know”

It is done, bc I just told you I’ve done it! jk

But yeah, snorting it is, of course, an option. I was more or less wondering if there was a safer foil, like stainless steel foil. LoL I know, preposterous. Pipes are cheap enough

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

How do the oil burners work compared to foil? Strange I have not seen it done. I thought I saw it all.

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

How do the oil burners work compared to foil? Strange I have not seen it done. I thought I saw it all.

Never assume that. Especially not in the drug world.

Why would it not work? It’s literally the same thing. Indirectly applying heat so you can inhale the vapors.

People use all types of vaporizing devices to use opioids.

 

[jagfug]

It works but the globe quickly gets fouled and you can chip off the leftover matter, but still you want a clean spot for the next round and you run out of real estate fast.

Cleaning the glass is a little harder than cleaning it from meth use. Also getting powders to vaporize takes more heat for a longer time. In the case of H or fent you really are smoking it not vaporizing it.

As much as vaporizing it would be preferable, that shit is smoking when you’re taking a hit, so the combustion takes it’s toll on the glass, resulting in pitting and deformation and eventually it becomes so worn out that the slightest tap against something cracks the glass and that’s that.

I went through 5 pipes in a month and I was being as gentle as possible. Also I mastered the art of using foil so well, that it’s become a hard habit to break. Though I’ll still get some new pipes and use them because drugs are bad enough for you, I don’t need to be poisoning myself with aluminum which has been rumored to cause dementia. So have opiates and benzo’s for that matter but why push my luck?

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

^Thank you jag that was my impression and working understanding as well.

I would never assume someone hasn't done it in the drug world -- but when you do not see it as a common practice there is usually good reason. Never assume the majority of drug users aren't wringing every penny out of the experienceeb


PS conspiracy theory --- even if the CIA didn't "invent crack" and was just dumping cocaine into the ghetto's -- would anyone with foresight not see baking soda being added as a cut by someone who eventually gets there coke wet and heats it to redry it (Presto Snowman?)

 

[Helpmeescapethis]

It works but the globe quickly gets fouled and you can chip off the leftover matter, but still you want a clean spot for the next round and you run out of real estate fast.

Cleaning the glass is a little harder than cleaning it from meth use. Also getting powders to vaporize takes more heat for a longer time. In the case of H or fent you really are smoking it not vaporizing it.

As much as vaporizing it would be preferable, that shit is smoking when you’re taking a hit, so the combustion takes it’s toll on the glass, resulting in pitting and deformation and eventually it becomes so worn out that the slightest tap against something cracks the glass and that’s that.

I went through 5 pipes in a month and I was being as gentle as possible. Also I mastered the art of using foil so well, that it’s become a hard habit to break. Though I’ll still get some new pipes and use them because drugs are bad enough for you, I don’t need to be poisoning myself with aluminum which has been rumored to cause dementia. So have opiates and benzo’s for that matter but why push my luck?

I disagree about “smoking” fentanyl or heroin. If anybody actually was truly smoking it, they would receive no effects. The product would be inert.

All effects come from the *boiling* of the chemical, and the inhalation of the vapors produced.

 

[ladoh]

Just wanna chime in to say that meth, contrarily, is always smoked as a salt. Freebase meth is an oil, and given the popularity of cannabis oil and the fact that cocaine is optimally smoked as base, one would think that the base form of meth is ideal for smoking, but look what I found:


2022-04-17

But maybe it's OK if it's just added to, e.g., tobacco in small amounts. Maybe one can make a pH-adjusted vape fluid out of it…

Indeed, burnt hydrochloric acid isn't good for you, so maybe a freebase meth formula represents a safer alternative…

Can you explain the part about freebase form me as ive been maybe confused on the way i reference freebase meth

As i understand freebase meth is un-ionized saltless form of methamphetamine and is an oily substance

But crystal methamphetamine is then freebase methamphetamine with ____? To make it a crystallized form?

But then desoxyn for example is HCL methamphetamine which would be a salt based methamphetamine?

So i guess what ive been confused about is that crystal methamphetamine is freebase methamphetamine just 'contained' for lack of a better word within the crystal? Or at what point does freebase methamphetamine that is what youre getting high on in crystal methamphetamine is no longer freebase methamphetamine?

Hope this question makes sense

I have referred to crystal meth as freebase methamphetamine in a comversation before when trying to distinguish between desoxyns HCL methamphetamine and crystal methamphetamine and the person responded with "freebase is the liquid version you fucking idiot" but is freebase (the oily substance in crystal meth) no longer freebase just because its been encapsulated in a crystal?

Or am I just thinking about it conpletely wrong