Need Help Advice for kratom cold turkey?

[Can't.Be.Faded]

Of course as time passed..kratom became available AT LAST SALVATION! All I had back then to help aid with wd was imodium.

But didn't take long to realize the kratom use - in between paychecks- helped get thru day but a brutal all night withdrawal where I remember saying to myself I will never go through kratom wd without a few vicodin and a gang of benzos..preferably plenty of klonopin and xanax to break through.

But this was because I got to a point of shoveling 10-20g of powdered leaf, toss n wash style and never properly had a kratom taper.

Tbh I didn't know kratom had a bite like that, why the fuck is it legal?? I take responsibility for my actions and being young and stupid ain't nothing new, but the war on drugs hurts addicts more than anyone else. I remember when the "opioid crisis" turned front page, and nobody could get them anymore. A few weeks to a month later, people who were functioning addicts just trying to get by turned to harder stuff and fell off.. what did the geniuses in the federal government think was going to happen when they confiscated half the country's stash, overnight, after making all those speeches about how out of control the situation was and how it was affecting people of every walk of life. The meth and hit the streets everywhere at once before the last scripts ran out.. being shipped in from all over the world by countries that hate us, and while my friends were dying, the company that pushed Oxy onto anyone in an Urgent Care made billions and were never held responsible and no effort was made to actually help the people who wanted it, but didn't know how to get it.

 

[SotPoker1012]

I just wanted to thank everyone for the suggestions, advice, etc. I still feel too terrible to go through and give each post the replies they deserve, but I wanted to say thanks and update anybody interested on the situation.

My heart is *NOT* failing. It is, however, significantly enlarged as well as a couple of other problems. My blood pressure meds have finally started working and I've been high-normal consistently the past few days. I still need a CT scan because they suspect I am in some stage of coronary artery disease, however, that will have to wait until I can afford it. My cardiologist says that my chest pain is not my heart, at least not entirely and that nothing wrong with me is immediately life threatening.

That raises the new problem of, what the fuck is actually wrong with me? Abstaining from nicotine has helped with the chest pain significantly. I've been maintaining on 5 grams of kratom. However, I still have a constant, brutal headache, strange aches in my body, and now, bladder pain. Any time I have to pee, I feel like I'm being stabbed in the groin.

I have also realized that I have a pretty major dental issue going on.

Anyways, thanks all. I'm not dead, and if I'm dying, it's not as fast as it seemed like it would be.

 

[SotPoker1012]

Tbh I didn't know kratom had a bite like that, why the fuck is it legal?? I take responsibility for my actions and being young and stupid ain't nothing new, but the war on drugs hurts addicts more than anyone else. I remember when the "opioid crisis" turned front page, and nobody could get them anymore. A few weeks to a month later, people who were functioning addicts just trying to get by turned to harder stuff and fell off.. what did the geniuses in the federal government think was going to happen when they confiscated half the country's stash, overnight, after making all those speeches about how out of control the situation was and how it was affecting people of every walk of life. The meth and hit the streets everywhere at once before the last scripts ran out.. being shipped in from all over the world by countries that hate us, and while my friends were dying, the company that pushed Oxy onto anyone in an Urgent Care made billions and were never held responsible and no effort was made to actually help the people who wanted it, but didn't know how to get it.

Kratom definitely has a bite, at least if you use it at high doses for extended periods. I suspect the serotonergic effects it has in addition to the opioid effect in particular can be pretty nasty as far as anxiety and depression, even if the physical WD symptoms are often less severe.

 

[JackO'Neill]

You went slightly over the safe zone per day with 15 to 20gs. I did 10g to sometimes 15g a day over a half year daily. Withdrawal was easy. I had also experiences with oxycodone for 2 years of use. But was also manageable. I put with kratom a max dose per day and also with oxycodone which I kept always. Never crossed it. Ok with oxycodone rarely in those 2 years. Oxy was 80mg a day green light. 100mg a Day Yellow and 120 to 130mg a day was Red Light. Red was to ve avoided. So red happened 3 or 4 times in a year. Mostly I could keep it at 80mg but sometimes there are days one needs more.

Kratom my Rule was 3 to 3.5gs per dose. But with Kratom one cannot be so sure because each strain was differently potent. I mean I took. 3 doses a Day. Sometimes when it was a weak strain I did also 4g. Some strains were nasty only lasted 2 hours and some were great felt effects for 5hours.

However dont think too much abt withdrawal. Usually its like having a cold. At least it was for me so. During the first 4 days the psychic withdrawal was really not a big thing almost nothing except feeling down. Not energetic and motivated. But physically some joint aches and slightly running nose. A little restless legs. The psychic down came after the physical withdrawal. Like the old depressed me without any substance support. So I was not much surprised.either and got over with it really quick.

 

[SotPoker1012]

You went slightly over the safe zone per day with 15 to 20gs. I did 10g to sometimes 15g a day over a half year daily. Withdrawal was easy. I had also experiences with oxycodone for 2 years of use. But was also manageable. I put with kratom a max dose per day and also with oxycodone which I kept always. Never crossed it. Ok with oxycodone rarely in those 2 years. Oxy was 80mg a day green light. 100mg a Day Yellow and 120 to 130mg a day was Red Light. Red was to ve avoided. So red happened 3 or 4 times in a year. Mostly I could keep it at 80mg but sometimes there are days one needs more.

Kratom my Rule was 3 to 3.5gs per dose. But with Kratom one cannot be so sure because each strain was differently potent. I mean I took. 3 doses a Day. Sometimes when it was a weak strain I did also 4g. Some strains were nasty only lasted 2 hours and some were great felt effects for 5hours.

However dont think too much abt withdrawal. Usually its like having a cold. At least it was for me so. During the first 4 days the psychic withdrawal was really not a big thing almost nothing except feeling down. Not energetic and motivated. But physically some joint aches and slightly running nose. A little restless legs. The psychic down came after the physical withdrawal. Like the old depressed me without any substance support. So I was not much surprised.either and got over with it really quick.

Worth mentioning that this period of 15-20 grams per day came after half a decade of 30-50 grams per day.
It was moreso detoxing while also dealing with a serious health issue that was the major problem though.