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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

Which one is worse for jaw clenthing.. mdma or mda
"Clenthing" sounds like "cleansing" spoken w/a lisp, lol… 😂

In my experience, MDMA is worse for bruxism (jaw-clenching), but either is capable of inducing it. This seems to also be true of nystagmus ("eye-wiggling"). What's your experience with these been? Do you agree or find the opposite is the case? 🙂
 
"Clenthing" sounds like "cleansing" spoken w/a lisp, lol… 😂

In my experience, MDMA is worse for bruxism (jaw-clenching), but either is capable of inducing it. This seems to also be true of nystagmus ("eye-wiggling"). What's your experience with these been? Do you agree or find the opposite is the case? 🙂
I don't think I'm gonna try it ever again
 
I don't think I'm gonna try it ever again
Taking the right dose is very important. Try not to let a single bad experience alone affect your decision in future experiences. That said, not everything is for everybody. There are better serotonergic drugs out there after all…
 
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Taking the right dose is very important. Try not to let a single bad experience alone affect your decision in future experiences. That said, not everything is for everybody. There are better serotonergic drugs out there after all…
Thanks. Staying off it can't be bad though
 
Does anybody else think that our brains’ constantly being assaulted by various things which induce frequent “micro dumps” of neurotransmitters (years’ worth of bad food, commercials/TV programs designed to cause these responses, smartphones etc.) is also a driving factor in drugs like this being “different” than those of yesteryear?

Lab tested, pure MDMA is more readily available than ever, to anybody with an internet connection. This should be the best of the best.

I think the way the world is now, with pleasure devices in the palms of our hands constantly, the behavioral changes of humans as a whole, has a lot bigger impact on this than we realize. I also think people who took “the best stuff” at raves in the late 90s and early 2000s simply had not been exposed to as much “euphoric” opportunities as today. Their brains were far more sensitive to it. And if you believe in any sort of collective consciousness, that’s a whole other layer to consider.
I really think this is valid and you are on to something. I've had the same thoughts. Our brains are bombarded with dopamine bombs on a daily basis in short, seconds long bursts. There is no way that doesn't effect an experience like MDMA. I would bet $$ that if someone detoxed from smartphones, meditated, and lived healthily in nature for a solid 2 months before a roll it would be an improved experience.
 
Thanks. Staying off it can't be bad though
In the strictest pharmacological sense, there's no doubt that staying sober is safer than using mind-altering drugs in virtually any scenario; can't argue with you there. It's also safer to always wear a helmet everywhere you go, b/c you never know. Also, it's safer to always wear a life-preserver even in a pool at a private residence… it's kind of prioritizing quantity over quality of life to live this way, in my humble opinion, anyways. It's choosing longevity and predictable safety over unquantifiable experiences, memories, gained insights and wisdom. You know, the real good stuff in life, and I mean the real deal quality of life, meat & bones kinda shit… personal satisfaction, emotional healing, mental growth, exploration of the mind.

"The unexamined life is not worth living."
—Socrates

Still doesn't mean you have to use MDMA – again: not all drugs are for all people. Know thyselves, friends, and know thyselves well. All I'm saying is: careful not to shut too many doors in your mind over isolated incidents. Sometimes, some drugs take a little getting used to before they "click". I didn't get high on weed until the 3rd time I tried smoking some. I thought everyone was either faking or it just didn't affect me. Finally I broke through. Didn't get high initially on acid, shrooms, or DMT until later attempts, etiher.
 
In the strictest pharmacological sense, there's no doubt that staying sober is safer than using mind-altering drugs in virtually any scenario; can't argue with you there. It's also safer to always wear a helmet everywhere you go, b/c you never know. Also, it's safer to always wear a life-preserver even in a pool at a private residence… it's kind of prioritizing quantity over quality of life to live this way, in my humble opinion, anyways. It's choosing longevity and predictable safety over unquantifiable experiences, memories, gained insights and wisdom. You know, the real good stuff in life, and I mean the real deal quality of life, meat & bones kinda shit… personal satisfaction, emotional healing, mental growth, exploration of the mind.

"The unexamined life is not worth living."
—Socrates

Still doesn't mean you have to use MDMA – again: not all drugs are for all people. Know thyselves, friends, and know thyselves well. All I'm saying is: careful not to shut too many doors in your mind over isolated incidents. Sometimes, some drugs take a little getting used to before they "click". I didn't get high on weed until the 3rd time I tried smoking some. I thought everyone was either faking or it just didn't affect me. Finally I broke through. Didn't get high initially on acid, shrooms, or DMT until later attempts, etiher.
I'll be on the cocaine again soon I think
 
That's because there's no conundrum. It's not an issue. No researcher cares if a handful of illicit MDMA users complain that "it's not what it used to be" for them. There would be no money in researching it, and a hodgepodge of random anecdotes is not compelling evidence worthy of research.

In short, this is a non-issue. I assure you good MDMA is out there. Get a new plug and get some good MDMA and you'll see what I mean. And I'm not saying that to you directly, @PsychedelicSummer – for your sake I hope you're able to find proper MDMA – I"m saying this to anyone and everyone in general who really thinks there's something wrong with "today's MDMA". Res ipsa loquitur.
Depends of what you mean by researcher. To solve a mystery is always nice. I'd love to have someone do the necessary job and find an explanation to this MehDMA phenomena. The effects are so distinctly different, and something is causing it. Weather it's a contaminant, or my old favorite conspiracy theory, that MehDMA actually is a regioisomer of MDMA. And from what I understand as a person not educated in chemistry, only Two-Dimensional NMR (HSQC, COSY) could detect that. But how many have access to that and how many samples have been analyzed with that method? And even when/if i find real stuff, I - and many with me - surely would like to know what exactly they've been eating.

Please enlighten me as to what exactly needs to be done to rule out contamination and regioisomers. Time, knowldedge, column chromatography and access to two-dimensional NMR?
 
Depends of what you mean by researcher. To solve a mystery is always nice. I'd love to have someone do the necessary job and find an explanation to this MehDMA phenomena. The effects are so distinctly different, and something is causing it. Weather it's a contaminant, or my old favorite conspiracy theory, that MehDMA actually is a regioisomer of MDMA. And from what I understand as a person not educated in chemistry, only Two-Dimensional NMR (HSQC, COSY) could detect that. But how many have access to that and how many samples have been analyzed with that method? And even when/if i find real stuff, I - and many with me - surely would like to know what exactly they've been eating.

Please enlighten me as to what exactly needs to be done to rule out contamination and regioisomers. Time, knowldedge, column chromatography and access to two-dimensional NMR?
You're missing the point. How could anyone possibly test pills/powder from the past? W/o a time machine, that won't happen. As has been stated: there are a lot of possible explanations, and different people could be calling multiple different phenomena "meh-DMA." Sure, maybe it's a regioisomer of MDMA, or maybe it's a particular impurity, like 3,4-dimethoxy-n-methylamphetamine or MDDMA/MDTMA. Any number of plausible reasons could be accurate, and it's likely not just one.

In other words, we'll never get a single answer to what you're looking for bc the target is not clear. There's too much subjectivity and not enough consistent and collected evidence to pin anything down. You're chasing something untenable looking for an answer you cannot find to a question whose evidence is buried in the past and too scattered to piece together. There will always be educated guesses, as this thread attests, but I'm sorry to say: you will not find a concise, perfectly fitting answer to this.

The main things are: pills and powder can be bunk or can be comprised of imposter drugs, impurities, and/or poorly manufactured chemicals that were supposed to be MDMA, but for whatever reason, missed the mark. There's literally dozens of viable ways for a clandestine chemist to attempt to manufacture MDMA. It isn't like there are multiple consistent samples of a drug out there sold as MDMA but actually containing just this ONE chemical that consistently causes "mehDMA" responses as much as you and others wish there were.

There are multiple things that can cause this response, and no realistic way to narrow it down or to include examples from the past. Every claim is disputable and open to subjective interpretation. So even when you find some pure MDMA, finally believe me and give up the ridiculous notion that, somehow, ALL MDMA must be bad now, and you're left wondering "what exactly" you were taking before… there's no for sure way to know what you were ingesting. There's not enough reason and no incentive for someone or some company to spend the resources on discovering possible answers to your question because it's next to impossible to be precise here, and there's nothing to gain from such an endeavor, despite how strongly ppl in this thread want to know. I know that answer does not satisfy your curiosity, but some things in life will always be a mystery. I'm okay with that. Maybe you can be, too. You'll feel better once you find some real MDMA, I'd bet! ;)
 
Does anybody else think that our brains’ constantly being assaulted by various things which induce frequent “micro dumps” of neurotransmitters (years’ worth of bad food, commercials/TV programs designed to cause these responses, smartphones etc.) is also a driving factor in drugs like this being “different” than those of yesteryear?
Yes absolutely, but you wont find much agreement in this thread as most discussion participants here choose* to believe that some thing is wrong with the molecule.. when it's actually their brains. They in denial, and it doesnt matter how much reason/evidence you provide them. Ive posted lab results here on multiple occasions which people just often outright ignore. Its sad, but people are going to believe what they WANT to believe

Like they think that years/decades of other drug use can't possibly alter their neurochemistry or something.

I would even surmise that the order one tries different drugs could lead to dif changes.

I have been taking MDMA 2-5x a year for +20 years. Will i ever get my first roll back? No. Has MDMA lost the magic in that time? Hell nah, otherwise I probably wpuld have stopped taking it.
 
Yes absolutely, but you wont find much agreement in this thread as most discussion participants here choose* to believe that some thing is wrong with the molecule.. when it's actually their brains. They in denial, and it doesnt matter how much reason/evidence you provide them. Ive posted lab results here on multiple occasions which people just often outright ignore. Its sad, but people are going to believe what they WANT to believe

Like they think that years/decades of other drug use can't possibly alter their neurochemistry or something.

I would even surmise that the order one tries different drugs could lead to dif changes.

I have been taking MDMA 2-5x a year for +20 years. Will i ever get my first roll back? No. Has MDMA lost the magic in that time? Hell nah, otherwise I probably wpuld have stopped taking it.
Most logical post in this thread. It really is quite frustrating to hear the same nonsense spouted time after time, with no regard for what the obvious reasons are.
 
I wasn’t around for the old-school MDMA days, but I’ve tried it a few times — and the first two were straight-up garbage. The presses looked terrible, and all they did was keep me up for 2–3 days with no real euphoria, no empathy — just a cracked-out, uncomfortable buzz.


Recently though, I came across a reliable source and decided to test it first just to be sure. Results came back solid, so I went ahead — and wow. The come-up took about 2 hours to fully kick in, but once it hit… it was magical. Full pupil dilation, smooth emotional waves, music sounded unreal, lights looked amazing — and the craziest part? I didn’t even go out. I just chilled at home, and it still ended up being one of the best days of my life.


That’s when I realized the first two tabs I tried were definitely fake. And honestly, I think most people today have never experienced real MDMA. A lot of what’s out there might test as “pure” on paper, but it’s likely low-grade synths or research chems that imitate the effects but don’t capture the magic.


Just to be clear — I’m not advertising anything, and I won’t be giving out any source names, so please don’t ask. This is just my experience and a heads-up: real MDMA is still out there, but it’s rare. Most people sadly just don’t have access to the real thing.
 
You're missing the point. How could anyone possibly test pills/powder from the past?
I have both pills and powder from like 7 years back.
So even when you find some pure MDMA, finally believe me and give up the ridiculous notion that, somehow, ALL MDMA must be bad now,
I've never had, nor expressed, the notion that ALL MDMA must be bad now.
You'll feel better once you find some real MDMA, I'd bet! ;)
I'm sure I will! 😊
 
North America
In my experiences, good, clean MDMA is not that rare in North America. Either that or I have extremely good luck. I can find it on either coast, and recently even found some in the mid-west. And before you ask, I've been taking MDMA since the 90s and I'm very familiar with its effects.

I want to dispel your belief that good MDMA is rare or that most people who've had MDMA haven't actually had good MDMA. Reagent testing does not, and cannot, test for purity, potency, or weight present in any given sample.

I have both pills and powder from like 7 years back.
The last time I had shit MDMA was 2013. Before that would've been 2008, and before that would've been those bunk-ass white Mitsubishi double-stacks, not the original but the counterfeit ones, east coast, U.S. … the original white Mitsubishi 2001. First took it in 1997.

I've never had, nor expressed, the notion that ALL MDMA must be bad now.
Sorry I'm just basing my response in part on the theme's thread: "what is wrong with the MDMA today" which seems to include most, if not all, MDMA. New ppls are coming along, seeing that title and jumping right into this conversation without having read the previous rebuttals against the notion that something is wrong with the MDMA today. There's nothing wrong with it, and the question is loaded.

I'm sure I will! 😊
You really can't find it? Roughly speaking, where do you live and party? What part of the globe?
 
In my experiences, good, clean MDMA is not that rare in North America. Either that or I have extremely good luck. I can find it on either coast, and recently even found some in the mid-west. And before you ask, I've been taking MDMA since the 90s and I'm very familiar with its effects.

I want to dispel your belief that good MDMA is rare or that most people who've had MDMA haven't actually had good MDMA. Reagent testing does not, and cannot, test for purity, potency, or weight present in any given sample.


The last time I had shit MDMA was 2013. Before that would've been 2008, and before that would've been those bunk-ass white Mitsubishi double-stacks, not the original but the counterfeit ones, east coast, U.S. … the original white Mitsubishi 2001. First took it in 1997.


Sorry I'm just basing my response in part on the theme's thread: "what is wrong with the MDMA today" which seems to include most, if not all, MDMA. New ppls are coming along, seeing that title and jumping right into this conversation without having read the previous rebuttals against the notion that something is wrong with the MDMA today. There's nothing wrong with it, and the question is loaded.


You really can't find it? Roughly speaking, where do you live and party? What part of the globe?
Good clean mdma is not hard for me to find now that I came across the right source now "hypothetically" speaking lol. But before that around my area atleast nobody has seen any good mdma in several years
 
I have not read all the posts, just the first and a few here and there. I am the same age as OP And had ecstasy from 1988 and yes it absolutely was better than what is out there today. I will add that I am pretty well hooked up (I know about 4 people who sell it) and what I get today is not bad, it most certainly is strong I typically start w/ 2/3rds a dose/hit which I most definitely feel and then take the other third a couple hours later. I do this about 8-9 times a year.

The stuff I get today is most certainly not bad at all. I absolutely do enjoy myself. But it is not like what I got nearly 40 years ago, that stuff was just absolutely amazing. AMAZING!

One difference, what I got back then was made by a PhD Chemistry drop out from Berkely.
 
Good clean mdma is not hard for me to find now that I came across the right source now "hypothetically" speaking lol. But before that around my area atleast nobody has seen any good mdma in several years
Wow, that sucks; I"m sorry to hear that, but I'm glad you've found a good source.

One difference, what I got back then was made by a PhD Chemistry drop out from Berkely.
Another difference: you were 40 years younger and still had baby neophyte brain cells and serotonin sites to exploit for rolling your tits off. As we age, our brains increasing put out more and more monoamine oxidase (MAO) gradually making us less and less receptive to the effects of drugs, generally requiring more than in the past, and featuring slowly diminishing returns unless serious tolerance breaks are taken and other health protocols are followed.

Or A/B test it. Find that Berkley Chem drop out and see if they'll whip you up a batch of the old recipe stuff for old time's sake, lol! Wouldn't that be cool?
 
Wow, that sucks; I"m sorry to hear that, but I'm glad you've found a good source.


Another difference: you were 40 years younger and still had baby neophyte brain cells and serotonin sites to exploit for rolling your tits off. As we age, our brains increasing put out more and more monoamine oxidase (MAO) gradually making us less and less receptive to the effects of drugs, generally requiring more than in the past, and featuring slowly diminishing returns unless serious tolerance breaks are taken and other health protocols are followed.

Or A/B test it. Find that Berkley Chem drop out and see if they'll whip you up a batch of the old recipe stuff for old time's sake, lol! Wouldn't that be cool?
I'm so glad I've found a good source because my first experience with real mdma was amazing here recently
 
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