Kratom Kratom Megathread V.2

[Hrecoveryfool]

Posted this in another forum but maybe this is better here…Just went back on Kratom for a month (35 days to be exact)…extracts then powder the last 14 days of it. It’s wild how much even that short amount of time and not heavy uses (at most during that time 30gpd. Last two days after a fast taper have been, 3.5g 1 dose in AM, then used small small amounts of 7oh at night, 2ml with a dropper. Then today 2.5g 1 dose in AM, then again small small amounts of 7oh at night. My thought is, if finally just not using Kratom powder, then just dosing small amounts of 7oh, I feel like that’s better as my body gets rid of the 40 other alkaloids. Still with that amount, low energy, sneezing, runny nose, some anxiety, and just that blah feeling. I’m taking DLPA, Tumeric, Cats Claw, PEA, black seed oil (that mix was great in past), exercising as best as I can. But it’s just always crazy how just coming down from extracts to powder was an actual thing, even with that short while. Then lowering from 10gpd, then 8, then 5, then the 3.5, and now 2.5. Anyone ever try to use low low dose of 7oh at the end? I know the harshness of that extract by itself and know it operates on the mu receptor. I research like a mo fo. Any suggestions I’m missing? You guys and this forum has been huge

 

[willyD]

me too could not tappering kratom...no sucess...the stuff is very short acting and i am a big guy....according my kilos need much....quit cold turkey from 25g a day six months habbit.....withdrawl does not look like at all like opi withdrawl for me...it was bad,but one of the easiest of my endless list...comparable to quit codeine or tramadol....using so strong stuff like bupre to quit kratom is huge mistake for me....u sink in far deeper hole...playing with such long acting drugs scared me indeed.....recently quit bupre and mental problems after quitting are the real beast,not withdrawl itself,witch is long and bad enough...yes ur tapper plan about using tram to wean off kratom seems to me good..Kratom-legal stuff....could be lifesavior for somebody,but quickly could become a real burden...u will succeed man...don't be afraid....it's relatively weak stuff...not so hard to quit...Good luck....U will be ok!!!

Thank you for the support brother! Happy imbibing/using!

 

[Deleted member 554582]

peace upon u bro...i am not usin' anymore nothin',but tobaco,but be well

 

[martincertain]

That being said the ONE other option I have is to take subutex for a short term also.

I think most rehabs test for bupe these days but yeh, what Nas47 said - bupe is way stronger than Kratom and you'll probably come off worse. I came off of Kratom in rehab too so I get how unpleasant it is. Some things that helped me:

- Gabapentin will help with sleep and restless limbs, as well as some of the psychological stuff. Pregablin is a stronger version and works, but you might end up having some shitty wds/anxiety from that so better to stick with Gaba. Some rehabs test for these though so make sure you know if they do or not first.

- Phenibut works in a similar way to Gabapentin and you don't currently need a presciption for it so might be worth a look. Again though, not good to take for more than a couple of days or you'll start to feel it.

- Tramadol/Codeine definitely will work but you might have to take quite a bit of it depending on your kratom dose. Again though - all rehabs will test for opiates (unless you don't get drug tested?), so best to avoid if that would mean consequences for you.

- Worst case scenario you can take Loperamide (immodium) that you can buy in most pharmacys OTC. I used it temporarily a couple of times in the latter stages of H withdrawal. You'll need to take like 10 capsules at a time and slowly reduce by 1 x capsule each day, but it will help with the wds and will help with the anxiety. Go easy though, it can be dangerous if you take too much of it and would recommend only using temporarily and doing a quick taper.

- If nothing else I've found certain vitamins work (stuff you can get from holland & barrett or online wellness sites). Ashwagandha helps but not by much, 5HTP kinda helps rebalance your serotonin and D-Phenylalanine is a good shout for sleep/anxiety/restless limbs.

Good luck! Let us know how you get on.

 

[deficiT]

Boomshaka... building up the kratom megathread here

 

[pnillyg]

I’m trying to learn more about kratom. Made it 14 days no opioids but now last 4 days gone from 8gs - 4gpd… did I just re-screw myself? Barely feels like coffee should feel lol… but then again I never liked coffee and love dope. My brain chemistry is wild

 

[deficiT]

I’m trying to learn more about kratom. Made it 14 days no opioids but now last 4 days gone from 8gs - 4gpd… did I just re-screw myself? Barely feels like coffee should feel lol… but then again I never liked coffee and love dope. My brain chemistry is wild

What were you taking before, fent? So you made it two weeks with no opioids at all, or taking kratom?

 

[pnillyg]

What were you taking before, fent? So you made it two weeks with no opioids at all, or taking kratom?

OC 500mgs daily… yes 14 days nothing just hit kratom last 4 days so now I’m at like 18 days… today trying micro dosing my friend gave me psilocybin an LSD not sure how to do the LSD microdoses though because it came in a concentrated solution… I don’t want to develop the nasty Kratom habit because apparently they can be brutal..?

 

[deficiT]

OC 500mgs daily… yes 14 days nothing just hit kratom last 4 days so now I’m at like 18 days… today trying micro dosing my friend gave me psilocybin an LSD not sure how to do the LSD microdoses though because it came in a concentrated solution… I don’t want to develop the nasty Kratom habit because apparently they can be brutal..?

Yeah, the kratom habit can have a difficult withdrawal for sure. It isn't quite as bad as something like oxycodone or heroin, but it can for sure be pretty uncomfortable, and the PAWS can last a long time. I wouldn't suggest you get into daily use, but it can definitely help take the edge off when you're first getting clean.

 

[pnillyg]

So ive officially been off of the OC for 33 days... been using kratom 2-3x weekly doses are typically 3-6gs (lower doses with the more stimulating ones) what strains are best for mimacking opiates/help with cravings/i should concider giving a try? i have only done red maeng da and green maeng day as well as green malay. ive also noticed that redosing after my morning dose has to be something like double or i dont get much from it has anybody else had these experiences? also ive began to enjoy mixing red maeng and green maeng for an even feel... is that crazy or am i on to something?

 

[Innerpeace]

have five year old Kratom that still seems to work well

Is it best to store this in a glass jar?

 

[ions]

I have 2017 Kratom in the original bag that still works.

 

[Kingoffrogs]

have five year old Kratom that still seems to work well

Is it best to store this in a glass jar?

A glass jar will work good. If it is a mason jar with a lid that clasps shut and has a rubber gasket around it's perimeter then that's even better. The more airtight the container, the better.

 

[JackARoe]

I like the big and dandy's. Keeps the info organized.

I just want to say I pulled out some powder from 2011. Not bad looking at a glance. But it was as potent if not more than some of the fresher stuff. Less stimulation but more pain killing. Still stimulation though. So I googled kratom shelf life. What I saw from vendors was funny. Most saying it deteriorates after a few weeks or months. lol Then you search BL or reddit and all are saying 10 year old kratom still kicks.

Such misinformation to get people to buy more. That is really irritating me these days. I am not sure if it was always like this. But I feel we had better information 10 years ago. Now people can say anything and it is up to us to find the truth.

I will say it again. Kratom seems stable. I put a little away from 2006 and when I check it works too.

 

[Juicewrldfan]

Or oxidized into something else that was also effective

 

[JackARoe]

Or oxidized into something else that was also effective

I know, would love to know.

 

[unodelacosa]

I know, would love to know.

You would love to know what exactly? What kratom oxidizes into? Depends on various factors. When kratom is oxidized en vivo (in the body), its primary alkaloid, mitragynine, converts into 7-hydroxymitragynine (7-OH). This process occurs naturally in the body after ingestion and 7-OH is significantly more potent than mitragynine and it's estimated to be ~13x more effective as a pain reliever than morphine due to 7-OH binding more strongly, enhancing analgesic effects.

However, this is oxidation from first-pass metabolism. Atmospheric oxidation tends to breakdown alkaloids in a manner that compromises and degrades kratom's efficacy as a pain-reliever, among other qualitative effects. Store it in an airtight container—preferably made of thick glass—in a cool, dark, dry place while minimizing surface area exposure, and it can last for years potentially without losing virtually any potency.

 

[JackARoe]

You would love to know what exactly?

Uno! I’m always glad when you chime in. I guess if I were to ask a specific question based off of what you just wrote, it seems the body only oxidizes to 7-OH. But atmospheric air does not?

I periodically pull out Kratom from different years. For the most part it seems to be the same as when I got it. And a couple of instances it seems the pain killing effect could be a little stronger. Now that could just be placebo I admit. But at the very least Kratom stores very well. I recently pulled some 20 year old Bali leaf and it worked just fine. Simply stored in plastic bags wrapped tightly in a plastic bin.

Ironically enough, I have done this with coffee too. But coffee over five years old is definitely a little bit weaker but still works.

 

[daturetard]

If you have pure mitragynine (or even semi pure), the process of making 7ho is as simple as dissolving it in 50/50 water:tetrahydrofuran and adding PIFA (an extremely expensive benzene reagent, and in a real lab, this reaction is done under a blanket of argon gas to prevent unwanted byproducts).

Planning on trying it, but the process is patented, I don't know how much PIFA is required, and molecular math has never made sense to me, so anybody who knows how much PIFA would be needed per gram of Mitragynine, or a forum to quote this on where I might get help, would be much appreciated and I'll keep you guys updated on the process and if I go though with it.

 

[unodelacosa]

Uno! I’m always glad when you chime in.

Cheers for that!

it seems the body only oxidizes to 7-OH. But atmospheric air does not?

Right, so 7-OH is a metabolite formed through specific enzymatic oxidation, not just generic exposure to air. Air might degrade mitragynine over time, but it won’t reliably create 7-OH because that transformation requires biological machinery (mainly cytochrome P450 enzymes). That’s why the 7-OH content is low in raw kratom but increases after ingestion.

I periodically pull out Kratom from different years. For the most part it seems to be the same as when I got it.

Yeah there are a lot of factors at play here, and it depends on storage conditions. I'm just saying that for optimum storage purposes store it in a dark, dry, cool place relatively free of atmospheric exposure.

Ironically enough, I have done this with coffee too. But coffee over five years old is definitely a little bit weaker but still works.

I imagine the same is probably more or less true of kratom's shelf-life, which stands to reason.

If you have pure mitragynine (or even semi pure), the process of making 7ho is as simple as dissolving it in 50/50 water:tetrahydrofuran and adding PIFA (an extremely expensive benzene reagent, and in a real lab, this reaction is done under a blanket of argon gas to prevent unwanted byproducts).

If you have pure mitragynine (or even semi pure), the process of making 7ho is as simple as ingesting it. A lot easier and less expensive than procuring an "extremely expensive benzene reagent" and then react shit under an inert atmosphere of fucking argon gas… you know: "I'm going to the store later to pick up some groceries; should I just go ahead and snag a canister of Argon while I'm out?" Lol. I mean, yes, it's easy, but not for the layperson w/o access to a lab and chems… I mean, no doubt you're aware of this; I'm just stating the obvious for effect