Stimulants Adderall or Ritalin?

[emkee_reinvented]

You think methylphenidate has worse peripheral side effects than amphetamine? Most people I've heard say the opposite

No but from experience dextro-Amphetamine does. It has no rebound,
more predictable pharma-kinetic s, no/ less anorexic effect, no peripheral side effects.
So elevated heart-rate, probably blood-pressure, sweating and trembling hand s.
Are not there, only shared side effect, dry mouth is, but with dextro its only in the beginning.

Have these people taken both i wonder ? As even Psychiatrist s wonder why MPH is:
1-st line treatment. While even dextro-MPH is available like Lis and dex-Amphetamine.
Just takes a lot of effort.

You are imo lied too. Dextr-amphetamine might take some effort from yourself,
racemic MPH is pure hell. While racemic Amphetamine/ Speed is a drug and Cocaine latter is kinda like MPH, a XR Cocaine pill seems to me a better ADHD med.

And i hate Coke.

 

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No but from experience dextro-Amphetamine does. It has no rebound,
more predictable pharma-kinetic s, no/ less anorexic effect, no peripheral side effects.
So elevated heart-rate, probably blood-pressure, sweating and trembling hand s.
Are not there, only shared side effect, dry mouth is, but with dextro its only in the beginning.

Have these people taken both i wonder ? As even Psychiatrist s wonder why MPH is:
1-st line treatment. While even dextro-MPH is available like Lis and dex-Amphetamine.
Just takes a lot of effort.

You are imo lied too. Dextr-amphetamine might take some effort from yourself,
racemic MPH is pure hell. While racemic Amphetamine/ Speed is a drug and Cocaine latter is kinda like MPH, a XR Cocaine pill seems to me a better ADHD med.

And i hate Coke.

I mean I'm speaking from personal experience in part along with listening to others

I've been prescribed concerta, vyvanse, and adderall xr. out of all of these concerta gave me to worst vasoconstriction by far, and I mean BY FAR

27mg concerta raised my BP and HR waaaay more than 50mg vyvanse to the point of being cold and shaky

not with vyvanse at all, just smooth sailing

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I mean I'm speaking from personal experience in part along with listening to others

I've been prescribed concerta, vyvanse, and adderall xr. out of all of these concerta gave me to worst vasoconstriction by far, and I mean BY FAR

27mg concerta raised my BP and HR waaaay more than 50mg vyvanse to the point of being cold and shaky

not with vyvanse at all, just smooth sailing

That was my impression too, only IR dextro-Amphetamine to me feels as XR.
Not the kick in, peak 2 hour max, drop and rebound effect MethylPhenidate has.
Someguy have you by any chance tried dextro-MPH ?

Besides losing pounds, and looking as a shaky, sweaty speed freak.

Ps my bloodpressure on D-Amp: 90 over 60. Heart rate 100. Age 50 +

 

[shreddedlettuce]

Ps my bloodpressure on D-Amp: 90 over 60. Heart rate 100. Age 50 +

Impressive.

Is this without any BP medication?

I am on 50mg Vyvanse and have to say that it works for me in a positive way I never thought was possible. (and I have had IR Dexamfetamine, not Adderall, during shortage and still would choose Vyvanse).

But those BP readings are impressive non the less. Well done.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Impressive.

Is this without any BP medication?

I am on 50mg Vyvanse and have to say that it works for me in a positive way I never thought was possible. (and I have had IR Dexamfetamine, not Adderall, during shortage and still would choose Vyvanse).

But those BP readings are impressive non the less. Well done.

It was nice that my crooky dr did follow the protocol on the manual.
My doc didn t get it as its mostly the opposite, did 3 manual test s.
And then a electronic to confirm it. Looked at me, i had taken my med s.
Just a routine check when you take em.

Not on any BP med, but this was good to know, as i had in my head.
I might benefit from Clonidine/ Moxonidine or Tizanidine.
But when he asked: don t you faint all day or have blackouts ?
I told about dizzy spells, and this explained them.

Would my Under-Pressure be 10 lower,
i d be lying down according to him. But low is not dangerous in itself.
And no contradiction for Amphetamine. It actually a good sign acc. to.

Ps the only Pharmacist that makes all NL.s Dextro-Amphetamine.
He also makes Lis-Dextro-Amphetamine and dextro-Methylphenidate XR.
Pharmacies and dr s only know about the existence of:
Methylphennidate IR/ XR and Concerta from the Pharm-companies.
Which is weird, as Pharmacist/ Chemist are allowed to make,
any existing medication. Patented or not.

Bit of a strange situation, only 1 insurance company cover these ADHD med s.
Otherwise its or pay a whole lot for some Speed isomer, or settle for MPH.

 

[Dextro .45]

Not Dextro-Amphetamine has way less Peripheneral effect and less CNS N-A activation. Nothing like DL-Amphetamine.
Which is very recreative, like MPh but better and longer lasting.

And certainly not MPH, might be safer. But feels very uncomforable due to negative side effects.
Shitty Pharmakineticts, though no sustained release solved that. And treating ADHD with it didn t work.
Just felt shitty and lost weight.

Biphentin sounds interesting, we dont have that.
My Pharmacist, the only one source for dextro-Amphetamine in the country also makes Dextro-Methylphenidate XR.
But no experience, but i agree both speed and MPH are more euphoric, dextro-Amphetamine ime isn t.
Its functional.

Edit: nevermind Biphentim sounded a bit like brand name Biphetamine a prodrug of Amphetamine.
Its just brand name MPH.

Not a intringing Amphetamine analogue like Fenethylline a codrug of Amphetamine and Theophylline.
Bit different somewhat slow release? As long its not a Phenidate afa ADHD drugs go i am fine with it.

Biphetamine 20mg the infamous “Black Beauty” ….solid black capsule of XR beads (10mg of racemic Amphetamine and 10mg of d-Amphetamine) so it’s basically 1950’s Adderall (75% d and 25% l)

Benzphetamine (Didrex) is amazing……THATS an Amphetamine pro-drug. It actually metabolizes into d-Methamphetamine and then finally into d-Amphetamine…..a Loooong acting Desoxyn / Methedrine tablet

Desbutal - d-Methamphetamine & Barbiturate
Dexamyl - d-Amphetamine & Barbiturate
Desoxyn - d-Methamphetamine 5mg tablets
Methedrine 20 & 30mg of d-Meth / glass vials for IV/IM/SC injection
Phenmetrazine (Preludin) Amazingly euphoric amphetamine analogue
Methylphenidate (Ritalin) - mild stimulant and antidepressant

The pharmaceutical amphetamines from the 1950’s were Freaking Amazing …..Black Beauties & Christmas Trees, Bennies, Dexies, and Methedrine …..Purple Hearts and much more

Add a little Diamorphine , Valium….my my

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Biphetamine 20mg the infamous “Black Beauty” ….solid black capsule of XR beads (10mg of racemic Amphetamine and 10mg of d-Amphetamine) so it’s basically 1950’s Adderall (75% d and 25% l)

Benzphetamine (Didrex) is amazing……THATS an Amphetamine pro-drug. It actually metabolizes into d-Methamphetamine and then finally into d-Amphetamine…..a Loooong acting Desoxyn / Methedrine tablet

Desbutal - d-Methamphetamine & Barbiturate
Dexamyl - d-Amphetamine & Barbiturate
Desoxyn - d-Methamphetamine 5mg tablets
Methedrine 20 & 30mg of d-Meth / glass vials for IV/IM/SC injection

Phenmetrazine (Preludin) Amazingly euphoric amphetamine analogue

This is on my wish list, Cmafetamine didn t cut it.

Methylphenidate (Ritalin) - mild stimulant and antidepressant

The pharmaceutical amphetamines from the 1950’s were Freaking Amazing …..Black Beauties & Christmas Trees, Bennies, Dexies, and Methedrine …..Purple Hearts and much more

Add a little Diamorphine , Valium….my my

The black beaty sound s good, the rest to good.
Besides MethylPhenidate, even good Coke i hate.
Khat beats em both ime. That my chemistry.
Amphetamine s are fine

 

[Dextro .45]

Ya, authentic Khat (beta-ketone-Amphetamine) is most likely very euphoric and pleasurable……so amazing this shrub from the Horn of Africa has natural Amphetamine in it. Chewing fresh leaves and keeping ball in cheek, absorbing juiciness under tongue rich in blood vessels where it directly enters bloodstream, causing significant mood-boosting & euphoric sensations of happiness & energy.

Coca leaves in South America are the same I guess…..a potent triple reuptake inhibitor / inverse agonist & tropaine alkaloid…….few thousand years later and modern medicine / pharmaceutical organic chemistry catch up and they isolate Cocaine Hydrochloride for i.v. injection and BOOM lol, …..add a little Diacetylmorphine to the Cocaine and you’re in euphoric heaven

Opium poppy (papivier somniferum) dating back thousands of years to ancient Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq) is the most valuable plant on earth…..properly more valuable than oil or gold. Really.

When the Taliban put a ban on opium harvesting the worlds opium / Heroin trade was hit hard……the U.S. eradicated the Taliban and farmers were able to grow, harvest, and refine Diacetylmorphine / Heroin again …..a TRILLION dollar quarterly annual profit. Approximately 80% or worlds opium supply. Although Turkey has best opium on earth. Highest morphine content per poppy. 13% morphine as compared to 8-10% other regions

Ephedra shrub in China / Japan / Asia ……modern medicine isolates Ephedrine ……1919 Japan reduces ephedrine to Desoxyephedrine Hydrochloride (Methamphetamine) ….one of the most potent euphoric dopaminergic stimulant compounds on earth

Damn I love drugs lol……strictly CII controlled substances that target the brains reward centre